Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!

Hungry · Jun 17, 2015

I don't get it. Do you think people are going to dismiss what God says is wrong because you say you have no choice. If somebody said they were born with the propensity for violence, it doesn't make it less sinful for that person to commit murder. I wouldn't disagree that you have never been attracted to the opposite sex. That doesn't mean you were born with the attraction to the same sex. I personally think it is environmental and psychological. When your biological clock told you it was time to start thinking about a mate, subconsciously, based on all of the data you had gathered about girls, boys and yourself, you told yourself you are more female than male, or that females are more dominant and preferred a submissive male. Even if it is true that we are hardwired at birth, it doesn't make it less sinful.

kaylagrl · Jun 17, 2015

Cruisyazz said:

Quote "If a gay person tells me they where born that way, who, as a straight person am i or you to judge otherwise?"

I do not judge anyone,God has already judged homosexuality to be wrong.I dont have to judge anything,says it right there in the Book.Christians would not be at "war" as you say,if homosexuals were not at war with them. Homosexuals want to be accepted in every facet of life the same as any straight married couple. They are pushing their agenda for the church to accept their lifestyle as ok irregardless of what the Bible says. If you cared about homosexuals as much as you seem to you would tell them the truth and save their soul from hell. You dont have to bash anyone,but if you dont tell them the truth how much do you really care about them? If you saw I was about to fall off a cliff and you saw it before I did I hope you'd tell me and not stand there and say "who am I to judge where she walks and where she stops?" That,Im sorry,is a cop out. For people truly seeking we have THE answer.Satan is lying to these people,dragging their souls to hell gleefully while Christians shake their heads and say "I wish I could help,but who am I to judge?" Its a crying shame.

Lifetrack · Jun 17, 2015

kaylagrl said:

No, i am not judging anybody, neither did i defend the actions of the homosexual(s). You should read more carefully what i said and what i said to the person who i gave that answer. Read also how this thing began objectieve. Nobody said the bible defenders where wrong, only the not so loving way they did it. That's all.

kaylagrl · Jun 17, 2015

Lifetrack said:

The OPs title was Homosexuality is not a Choice,then began to argue with everyone who said otherwise.If the OP was seeking help or support they would have gotten it.By their attitude they are here for a fight.So people rightly said they need to be banned.You cant come to a Christian site and say something is right that is against the Bible.The OP made a statement,they didnt ask a question.Ive seen people here be very supporting of seekers needing prayer and wanting help.But if you're hear to justify the lifestyle then no,folk here cant agree with that.

SarahM777 · Jun 17, 2015

PinkieKleenlolz said:

[h=1]Homosexual Group Admits Health Risks of Homosexual Behavior[/h] By Bob Ellis on May 14th, 2009

Though the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the Massachussetts Department of Public Health and numerous other sources have long compiled data showing the tremendous health risks associated with homosexual behavior, most homosexual activists vehemently deny these hazards and dismiss them as religious propaganda. But now a Canadian pro-homosexual group called Canadian Rainbow Health Coalition has admitted these elevated health risks as a key element of the basis of a lawsuit they have filed against the Canadian government health service. From LifeSiteNews:

The life expectancy for gay and bisexual men is 20 years less than the average Canadian man;
GLB people commit suicide at rates ranging from twice as often to almost 14 times more than the general population;
GLBs have smoking rates ranging from 1.3 to three times higher than average;
GLBs become alcoholics at a rate 1.4 to seven times higher than the general population;
GLBs use illicit drugs at a rate from 1.6 to 19 times higher than other Canadians;
GLBs experience depression at rates ranging from 1.8 to three times higher than average;
Homosexual men comprise 76% of AIDS cases and 45% of all new HIV infections;
GLB populations are at a higher risk of lung and liver cancer;
Homosexual and bisexual men suffer a higher rate of anal cancer than heterosexual men;
Lesbians report a higher rate of breast cancer;
GLBs experience verbal and physical abuse at a greater rate than most Canadians.

http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/05/homosexual-group-admits-health-risks-of-homosexual-behavior/

Cruisyazz · Jun 17, 2015

PinkieKleenlolz said:

I am curious to know what your thoughts are now that you have read these varying comments?

Also are you interested in finding God?
if you are or even if your not don't let judgemental people get you down. God does not judge you like we do. Dealing with "sin" is something everyone has to deal with between God and yourself. God makes it a lot easier to deal with sin than trying to abide by the doctrines of do's and don't that some church's comes with.

kaylagrl · Jun 17, 2015

Cruisyazz said:

I am curious to know what your thoughts are now that you have read these varying comments?

Also are you interested in finding God?
if you are or even if your not don't let judgemental people get you down. God does not judge you like we do. Dealing with "sin" is something everyone has to deal with between God and yourself. God makes it a lot easier to deal with sin than trying to abide by the doctrines of do's and don't that some church's comes with.

So are you telling the OP they are sinning?

BettyAnn · Jun 17, 2015

Cruisyazz said:

I use to judge homosexuality quite harshly when I was going to church. I have since realised this is wrong.
It seems like Christians really like to single this particular "sin" out and go to war with it quickly judging how despicable it is in the eyes of God.
lying, lust, greed, envy etc etc are just as bad but is approached differently from Christians. Why? On top of that these are most probably worst because they can be done in secret and the pastor you are receiving revelations of could be living in these sins and you don't have the opportunity to yell SINNER!
If a gay person tells me they where born that way, who, as a straight person am i or you to judge otherwise?
I would go as far to say that the way that gay is judged amongst the Christians community is preventing these people from finding God.
God is the only one worthy of pegging a rock at our head. Also he is the only one able to deal with a mans heart. If it needs changing us telling them to change won't help but perhaps leading them into a closer relationship with the Lord would help
i apologise for my generalisation because not all Christians are like this.

I thank it's because homosexuality is such a hot button issue lately. Just like alcohol was preached against the most is America leading up to the final vote on prohibition.

SarahM777 · Jun 17, 2015

PinkieKleenlolz said:

[h=1] SODOMY: A PUBLIC HEALTH RISK[/h] MEN:

- A 1997 study in British Columbia found the life expectancy of men who engage in sodomy to be comparable to that of the average Canadian man in 1871. Researchers estimate thatnearly half of the 20 year old men currently engaging in sodomy will not reachtheir 65th birthday.1

- Ninety-five percent or more of the AIDS infections among gay men result from receptive anal intercourse.2

- The risk of anal cancer "soars" by nearly 4,000% for men who have sex with men. The rate doubles again for those who are HIV positive. A Michigan homosexual newspaper admits there is no such thing as "safe sex" to prevent this "soaring" cancer risk. Condoms offer only limited protection.3

- Homosexual men face a significantly higher risk of HIV/AIDS, hepatitis, anal cancer, gonorrhea and gastrointestinal infections as a result of their sexual practices.4
- Men who engage in sodomy are 860% more likely to contract a sexually transmitted disease (STD), increasing up to 500% their risk of contracting HIV/AIDS. Men who commit acts of sodomy with men have large numbers of anonymous partners, which can result in rapid, extensive transmission of STDs. Control of STDs is a central component of HIV infection prevention in the United States; resurgence of bacterial STDs threatens national HIV infection prevention efforts.5
- Anal Human Papillomavirus (HPV) infection is nearly universal among HIV-positive homosexual or bisexual men and about 60% in HIV-negative men exhibiting the same sexual behavior.6

- The following chart provides a broad synopsis of medical problems related to sodomy:11 [TABLE="width: 90%"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 20%"]Sex Practice:[/TD]
[TD="width: 20%"] Potential Consequences:[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 20%"] 1. Close Body Contact[/TD]
[TD="width: 20%"]1. Pubic lice
2. Scabies (mites)
3. Fungal Infections[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 20%"] 2. Performer of Oral Sex[/TD]
[TD="width: 20%"]1. Oral gonorrhea
2. Oral lesions from herpes, HPV (warts), chancroid, lymhogranuloma venereum, or granuloma inguinale.
3. Nongonolococcal pharyngitis from chlamydia, other STD's
4. Syphilis
5. Hepatitis B
6. Enteric (intestinal) infections[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 20%"] 3. Receptive Anal Intercourse[/TD]
[TD="width: 20%"]1. Traumatic proctitis
2. Rectal gonorrhea
3. Anal warts
4. HIV/AIDS
5. Nonspecific procitis (from chlamydia and other STDs)
6. Anorectal herpes
7. Anorectal syphilis
8. Hepatitis B
9. Rectal trichomoniasis
10. Lymphogranuloma venereum
11. Anorectal granuloma inguinale
12. Anorectal chancroid
13. Cytomegalovirus
14. Anorectal candidiasis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 20%"] 4. Receptive Manual-Anal Intercourse [/TD]
[TD="width: 20%"]1. Enteric (intestinal) infections[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 20%"] 5. Receiver of Oral Sex [/TD]
[TD="width: 20%"]1. Physical abrasions
2. Bites
3. Herpes
4. Urethritis from various STDs[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 20%"] 6. Insertive Anal Intercourse [/TD]
[TD="width: 20%"]1. Nongonococcal urethritis
2. Genital herpes
3. Molluscum contagiosum
4. Genital warts
5. Syphilis
6. Trichomoniasins
7. Epididymitis and/or proctitis
8. Fungal infections
9. Lymphogranuloma vencreum
10. Granuloma inguinale
11. Chancroid
12. Hepatitis B
13. HIV/AIDS [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 20%"] 7. Oral-anal Intercourse[/TD]
[TD="width: 20%"]1. Enteric (intestinal) infections
2. Shigellosis
3. Campylobacter fetus (bacteria)
4. Enterogenic E. coli bacteria
5. Hepatitis (A, B, and others)
6. Amebiasis
7. Giardiasis
8. Salmonellosis
9. Enterobius vermicularis (parasite)
10. Oral warts
11. Oral gonorrhea
12. Syphilis
13. Lymphogranuloma venereum
14. Oral granuloma inguinale
15. Oral chancroid
16. HIV/AIDS
17. Herpes
18. Anorectal meningococcal infection[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Stats on Homosexual Promiscuity Risks

Lifetrack · Jun 17, 2015

kaylagrl said:

Of course they can't agree with him, i also can not agree with him, no question there.
But show love and pity towards him, maybe he laughs, others who read it may feel it and get remorse. It's a war between good and evil, not man to man.

SarahM777 · Jun 17, 2015

Angela53510 said:

By the way, I don't think all homosexuals are "born" that way. I think that is probably the minority. Although we were certainly created to be man with woman, since the Fall, bad things have entered into our genetics. God in no way created Adam and Eve this way, but since the flood, we have been devolving genetically.

Just as God did not create humanity with the disease I have - a genetic autoimmune disease - somewhere along the line, the mutated gene entered my family tree on my father's side, and now I pay the consequences for that. One day, when Jesus returns, I will have a new body free from pain.

When I was in university taking first year psychology 40 years ago, there was some interesting studies done on overcrowding of rats. Although the strain of rats showed no deviant tendencies when given enough room and food, when they were overcrowded, dominant males took over the colony, and hoarded the food and the females. That left the less dominant males to turn to homosexual behaviours.

I bet they don't teach that any more in university. The fact is, it was replicated over and over in rat studies. Which is not to say we are rats, but I often wonder how living in a overcrowded city environment warps people. I lived in the west end of Vancouver in the early 70's. It has the highest density in North America west of Manhattan. There were gay clubs everywhere, although I had never seen one anywhere else. Overcrowding of humans?? Or just being attracted to a place where people didn't care about lifestyle choices?

And what about all the hormones in the food supply and all the chemicals that we use these days that act as hormone receptors and blockers? Can we be so sure that those have not had any affect on unborn children?

Cruisyazz · Jun 17, 2015

kaylagrl said:

Who are you to judge indeed! This person has just said his instinct of attraction is of the same sex! Are you saying no it is not? You are judging something you have no idea about. The bible didn't say gay people aren't born gay. It says we are born into sin. Perhaps you can shed light into why people are born with mental disabilities also and that might better explain why this person has an adnormal attraction. Take your attraction of the opposite sex and imagine if them urges are for the same sex..
Jesus said he who is without sin cast the first stone. Are we not hypocrites if we condemn this person as an outright sinner? Your not saving him from walking of a cliff your killing him before he get's there. If the cliff is there and he can't see it do you think he is going to listen to you saying look a cliff! He is like what the heck?.. If you show him a different way, a better way, easier way then maybe he will listen.

Lifetrack · Jun 17, 2015

Whatever the intention of the OP was, i am convinced that in our reply's we need more love (the agapé kind)
If we don't have love, what is it all worth? no matter how bible wise we are.

FancyNancy · Jun 17, 2015

SarahM777 said:

That's funny. Nothing can make us sin except our own sin nature.

SarahM777 · Jun 17, 2015

Cruisyazz said:

There in lies a question that is never asked. Scripture plainly says THEY were created and female and Jesus repeats it too,BUT Jesus also mentioned a group we never talk about

Matthew 19

When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]5 [/SUP]and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[SUP][b][/SUP]? [SUP]6 [/SUP]So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

[SUP]7 [/SUP]“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

Jesus plainly says there are those who are BORN EUNUCHS. So when Jesus says that to the disciples what did that mean to them? They are different but Jesus doesn't explain it,He just says they exist and the disciples would know WHO Jesus is speaking of. So who are they? And the obvious part is they are to be CELIBATE.

Joshua_Generation · Jun 17, 2015

SarahM777 said:

Jesus is simply stating that if a man divorces his wife for any other reason than her own sexual immorality, then the man has committed adultery. In Vs 10, the disciples are saying...Oh OK, so if a man and wife are living this way they should not have been amrried anyway. Vs 11, Jesus implies they are right and then says, that this commandment is for all men who can accept it. There are certain men which cannot accept the commandment and then Jesus says any kind of castrated man,[men that cannot have kids] because they were born that way, made that way by others[castrated them], or chose to be celibate are not held to the commandment he talked about in Vs 1-9

This passage has nothing to do with being born gay, because the word eunuch does not mean effeminate, it means neutered/castrated/emasculated.

I know many Gay and Lesbian Episcopal Ministers that try to state this passage means born effeminate, to justify their sin, but that is not at all what the original languages imply.

SarahM777 · Jun 17, 2015

FancyNancy said:

What was I replying to? Clearly Angela said this

Originally Posted by Angela53510

By the way, I don't think all homosexuals are "born" that way. I think that is probably the minority. Although we were certainly created to be man with woman, since the Fall, bad things have entered into our genetics. God in no way created Adam and Eve this way, but since the flood, we have been devolving genetically.

Just as God did not create humanity with the disease I have - a genetic autoimmune disease - somewhere along the line, the mutated gene entered my family tree on my father's side, and now I pay the consequences for that. One day, when Jesus returns, I will have a new body free from pain.

Chemicals and hormones ALSO can cause problems and DEFECTS. DES is a HORMONE that was given to women to prevent miscarriages These are some of the side affects to the sons and daughters of the women that were given it.

Side effects for DES Daughters:
Many but not all DES daughters have abnormalities of the vagina, cervix, uterus and fallopian tubes. They may have a Y-shape or T-shape uterus like mine.
A DES Daughter may suffer infertility and / or DES pregnancy problems including ectopic pregnancy, premature labour or miscarriage.
Many DES daughters have adenosis. This is a type of tissue not usually found in the vagina, which can cause discharge. Adenosis may revert to normal tissue but DES daughters should be monitored for the presence of adenosis as changes may indicate the beginnings of a rare form of vaginal cancer called adenocarcinoma (CCAC).
A cervical smear is not adequate for DES daughters as a concentration on the cervix means that vaginal abnormalities may be missed. A DES examination includes colposcopy (examination by microscope of the vagina and cervix), smears taken from all four vaginal walls and the cervix, an iodine test to identify areas of adenosis and a full pelvic examination. DES daughters should receive DES examinations annually.
Because of the cumulative effects of exposure to hormones, some doctors think DES daughters should not take the combined contraceptive pill, or receive hormonal treatment such as medicines to reduce ovulation or for in vitro fertilisation.
[h=2]Diethylstilbestrol side effects for DES Sons:[/h] DES sons may also suffer genital malformation and infertility problems; some of them have a low sperm count.
DES sons should regularly examine their testicles as there may be an increased risk of testicular cancer.
[h=2]DES side effects for DES grandchildren:[/h] Studies of DES grandchildren are just getting underway. Scientists are currently investigating whether DES grandchildren have been affected by the drug given to their grandmothers. As study results come in, there is growing evidence that this generation has also been adversely impacted. Some DES daughters are currently participating in the long-running National Cancer Institute DES follow-up study. Further research is much needed but so far it has been reported the following:

Delayed menstruation regularity
Higher infertility rate
Higher rate of tumour growth
Overall cancer risk
Greater risk of hypospadias in sons of DES daughters (condition where the urethral opening on the penis is in the wrong place)

DES Diethylstilbestrol Side Effects

And that is just ONE HORMONE. The number of chemicals and hormones that cause all kinds of fun stuff are in the hundreds.
Theses are some of the CONSEQUENCES of our modern society.

FancyNancy · Jun 17, 2015

The legacy of pain and disease is broken when we place our trust in the Healer.

Joshua_Generation · Jun 17, 2015

Angela53510 said:

The Homosexual agenda is powered by the Theory of Evolution.

At it's base and core Evolution seeks to remove Adam and Eve from the origin of man. If you there was no Adam/Eve then there was no Serpent, if there was no serpent there was no temptation, if there was no temptation, there was no SIN , no SIN, no fall, no FALL, no need Jesus Christ to be sent to redeem humanity.

How does this fit into homosexuality? Hey we are all just evolving....and since there was no man named Jesus Christ, I can live anyway I want to. Do not pick on me, I am evolving.

No, your choosing....

SarahM777 · Jun 17, 2015

Joshua_Generation said:

Jesus is simply stating that if a man divorces his wife for any other reason than her own sexual immorality, then the man has committed adultery. In Vs 10, the disciples are saying...Oh OK, so if a man and wife are living this way they should not have been amrried anyway. Vs 11, Jesus implies they are right and then says, that this commandment is for all men who can accept it. There are certain men which cannot accept the commandment and then Jesus says any kind of castrated man,[men that cannot have kids] because they were born that way, made that way by others[castrated them], or chose to be celibate are not held to the commandment he talked about in Vs 1-9

This passage has nothing to do with being born gay, because the word eunuch does not mean effeminate, it means neutered/castrated/emasculated.

I know many Gay and Lesbian Episcopal Ministers that try to state this passage means born effeminate, to justify their sin, but that is not at all what the original languages imply.

Whether or not it really doesn't. Any sex OUTSIDE of marriage is sin. A temptation is NOT a sin. It's when one acts on it that it becomes sin.

Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!

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