Because Jesus does not get the glory when you ignore the Substitionary Atonement.
Substitutionary atonement is not in the Bible Jason. You respond to my posts with pure unsubstantiated rhetoric.
Jesus does not get the glory when one ignores that which the Bible does not teach?
Says who? You?
You assertion is without any foundation whatsoever.
Man gets the glory instead. Only when we yield to the work Christ or God does within us (Whereby we conform to the image of Christ and His sacrifice) does the Substitionary Atonement continue to pour forth within our lives. No conforming to the Son's image and then there is no Substitionary Atonement. One has to walk as he walked. Not by our own power, but by Him working in us.
There is no substitutionary atonement in the Bible. You are mixing it in with all the other stuff.
Yes we yield to the work of God within us, yes we conform ourselves to the image of Christ, yes we have to walk as He walked, yes we walk by the power of God but there is no "substitutionary atonement being poured forth."
You assert something as being true and yet you cannot substantiate it with anything except your own assertions. Why is that?
Substitutional atonement is not biblical. Jesus did not swap places with you, Jesus did not serve to substitute Himself in your place. Jesus died on your behalf as an EXAMPLE for you to FOLLOW.
An example is not a substitution.
Christ died for MY sins. That is a substitution.
Is it? Is it really?
An exchange. He was holy and did not deserve to be punished and so He died in my place and paid the penalty for sin (Which was death).
Physical death is a result of Adam being expelled from the garden.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
What would have occurred if God did not expel the man from the garden? What would have occurred if the man had of put forth his hand and taken of the tree of life? Would the man have physically died?
No.
Jesus died a physical death on the cross. A physical death is not the penalty for sin. Physical death is a consequence of Adams sin in the context of the expulsion from the garden but it is not the penalty.
Jesus did not pay the penalty for sin which is eternal damnation, destruction in the Lake of Fire. The penalty due has not been paid for by anyone.
Jesus did not die in your place, Jesus died on your behalf as an example. You ignore that fact even though the Bible specifically states it.
Look at your response, it has ZERO scripture. Yet I can quote...
1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because
Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
1Pe 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1Pe 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
1Pe 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Is that substitution? Is Jesus bearing our sins on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness, a substitution?
No it isn't. Peter says EXAMPLE. Peter does not say substitution.
A substitute is not an example. If you substitute something for something else then it is a replacement for it, not an example. The death of Jesus is not a replacement for your death, YOU HAVE TO DIE TOO.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples,
If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
That is the cross. We die WITH Christ.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were
baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if
we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Being set free from sin has nothing to do with a substitution. It has to do with following the EXAMPLE of Jesus.
1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
He that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin.
Right before that Peter wrote...
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that
he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Compare to...
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been
planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Compare to...
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh,
hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
See the pattern?
Jesus also died so as to...
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
...which is the same as...
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that
by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is,
there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
Where is this substitution you speak of found in the Bible Jason?
Where is it? Where is it taught?
Who teaches it? Which book? Which author? Where is it Jason?
If this substitution is the basic Gospel then why isn't it taught anywhere in the Gospels?
Why didn't Jesus teach it anywhere?
Why did not the founder of Christianity teach this thing that you believe in Jason? Why didn't Jesus teach this thing, that you claim if one ignores they are taking the glory away from Jesus?
This ought to be problematic for you, someone who claims to believe the Bible and yet is upholding something alien and contradictory to the Bible.
For if there was no exchange that took place, then I would still be in my sins.
What exchange? Where is this exchange taught?
I know the Reformers teach this magical exchange. They teach that Jesus aborbed the wrath of God on behalf of the elect making it not due anymore, thus they can sin and not surely die. Not only that, they also teach that the obedience of Jesus is credited to the account of the elect, thus when God looks at the wretched filthy wicked sinner (who believes in Jesus) God somehow sees Jesus instead. This is the doctrine your are trying to uphold Jason. I don't think you understand its implications.
Yes He did jason. He died for all people including you, but not as your substitute. He died as your example and also as a sin offering offered to God on your behalf. Jesus died FOR you, not INSTEAD of you. You still have to die too just like Jesus taught.
We are to be crucified WITH Christ that it we no longer live but Christ lives in us. In other words we die to the lusts of the flesh and self service and live the rest of our lives through the Spirit of His life working in us whereby we walk as He walked, in righteousness. EXAMPLE not substitution. FOLLOWING not substitution.
He died so as to save me (When I deserved to die instead). Just as a man would be willing to sacrifice his own life so as to save one of this friends by pushing him out of the way of a moving truck so as to save him (at the cost of his own life). It is an exchange. A life for a life.
What about you having to die Jason? Have you forgotten that?
Jesus said for you to
count the cost.
Luk 14:27 And
whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
Jesus said YOU have to die Jason...
Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
The cross is an instrument of death. Jesus did not die so you do not have to. Jesus died that you would die too.
We are to strive against sin through sharing in the sufferings of Christ...
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
It is through the power of the grace of God that we can overcome this world and the lusts thereof. Jesus was tempted in all points as we are and yet without sin, He demonstrated to us that is is possible to walk in purity via the same means that He did so and this is by the Spirit of God.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Substitution is the absolute antithesis of the notion that we have to die also. Look at what the modern church generally teaches and what they don't teach.
They don't teach the crucifixion of the flesh with its passions and desires. They don't teach that because they view reconciliation being premised on SUBSTITUTION instead of EXAMPLE. Thus they think Jesus did it all for them and that all they have to do is TRUST in the provisional substitution which serves to cloak ongoing wickedness.
Do not be deceived by these people Jason. Believe the Bible, not the dogma of men.