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posthuman

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Scripture says abhor that which is evil. Aggressive and hateful sounding music will not be in heaven.
"evil"
"hateful"

those are your subjective opinions about a genre of music that you don't understand. they may apply to the lyrics and intent of some secular bands, but secular artists purposefully espousing wickedness is not what this thread is ((supposed)) to be about.

you're citing urban legends as if they are documented scientific evidence, and taking your own emotions about secular artists and projecting them onto an entire class of music, & by doing so condemning believers who are praising God and edifying the church under the same category, completely out of hand, completely based on your own admitted inability to connect with or understand a certain style of music -- the message, intent & lyrics, you are completely ignoring. it's as though you hate Greek, so you would condemn Paul because he wrote in Greek. no matter what it is he said.

and you're doing it aggressively.
and you're speaking out like this, unprovoked, without reason, as though driven by hate.

the fruit of your posts here:
division, deception and confusion.

the fruit of one of those songs you blanketly call evil:

raised as i was on James Taylor and Carole King, not a fan of metal...

but i just sobbed my way through the words of that song. *sniffs and grabs tissue*

what a Savior! what a Mighty God!
so go figure.

right now i have neither the time nor inclination to go point-by-point with all the spurious "sources" you put here. maybe later. but why bother?

it's already obvious that a "progressive rock" song has the ability to move someone's heart to praise God ((see above)), even if they don't like the style, so the style of music in no way trumps the content and intent, and how much more could a person emotionally in accord with the style of music be encouraged or moved?

and it's equally obvious that whatever it is you're doing in this thread is provoking believers to quite opposite emotions.

i like you Jason. but i am quite convinced you are quite wrong on this subject.
 

posthuman

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this study found that people who were not accustomed to certain combinations of notes, even if they were in perfect pitch, described them as unpleasant and dissonant, while other people with a familiarity with the style of music played found the same combinations of notes appealing and pleasing.
the implication is that the reaction to musical style is not in nature, but in nurture.

this study found that people who already had a favorable predisposition towards "heavy metal" music experienced exactly the opposite of the common misconception about its effects - they became calmer and less aggressive than when exposed to periods of silence.

this study found no difference in anger levels between listeners of "heavy metal" compared to listeners of any other genre of music.

this study found that the emotional and physical response of people who were predisposed towards "heavy metal" music was comparable to "a warm hug" -- feelings of stress, anger, depression, negativity, aggression etc. actually reduced after listening to it, while feelings of inspiration increased.


all of these studies were done with secular music with secular lyrics.
to be honest, i don't think they apply at all to music written by believers, for believers, and about gospel truth. we're different animals.

but the evidence suggests that there is no causal link with "heavy metal" music and aggressive behavior or angered emotional responses. what there may be a link between is musical styles that people are already predisposed to, and positive impacts. this is all from studies done with purely secular music.

the scientific argument is an argument for culturally relevant music.
 
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"evil"
"hateful"

those are your subjective opinions about a genre of music that you don't understand. they may apply to the lyrics and intent of some secular bands, but secular artists purposefully espousing wickedness is not what this thread is ((supposed)) to be about.

you're citing urban legends as if they are documented scientific evidence, and taking your own emotions about secular artists and projecting them onto an entire class of music, & by doing so condemning believers who are praising God and edifying the church under the same category, completely out of hand, completely based on your own admitted inability to connect with or understand a certain style of music -- the message, intent & lyrics, you are completely ignoring. it's as though you hate Greek, so you would condemn Paul because he wrote in Greek. no matter what it is he said.

and you're doing it aggressively.
and you're speaking out like this, unprovoked, without reason, as though driven by hate.

the fruit of your posts here:
division, deception and confusion.

the fruit of one of those songs you blanketly call evil:



so go figure.

right now i have neither the time nor inclination to go point-by-point with all the spurious "sources" you put here. maybe later. but why bother?

it's already obvious that a "progressive rock" song has the ability to move someone's heart to praise God ((see above)), even if they don't like the style, so the style of music in no way trumps the content and intent, and how much more could a person emotionally in accord with the style of music be encouraged or moved?

and it's equally obvious that whatever it is you're doing in this thread is provoking believers to quite opposite emotions.

i like you Jason. but i am quite convinced you are quite wrong on this subject.
I have no hate towards you or anyone. I hate the evil or the sin. My battle is not against flesh and blood but against principalities. I have provided verses and examined the fruits of such music, and it is not good.

I also used to love heavy metal. But after I was saved, this type of music could no longer satisfy me because I was changed spiritually. It's dark sound of evil and noise of confusion no longer apppealed to me.

Another problem with this type of music is that certain band members will come across as effiminate by having long hair. They look and sound just like the world. In addition, looking at their album covers and promotional art and photos conjurs up dark imagery, as well. Christians are supposed to be holy and separate. So I am not buying into how Christian Metal is different when it is clearly a mirror copy of the secular version (except the lyrics that most people can't hear of course anyways).
 
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I have no hate towards you or anyone. I hate the evil or the sin. My battle is not against flesh and blood but against principalities. I have provided verses and examined the fruits of such music, and it is not good.

I also used to love heavy metal. But after I was saved, this type of music could no longer satisfy me because I was changed spiritually. It's dark sound of evil and noise of confusion no longer apppealed to me.

Another problem with this type of music is that certain band members will come across as effiminate by having long hair. They look and sound just like the world. In addition, looking at their album covers and promotional art and photos conjurs up dark imagery, as well. Christians are supposed to be holy and separate. So I am not buying into how Christian Metal is different when it is clearly a mirror copy of the secular version (except the lyrics that most people can't hear of course anyways).
A lot of women, and I mean a lot, would disagree with your "effiminate" comment, and no I'm not cutting my hair for you!!!!!:)
 
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this study found that people who were not accustomed to certain combinations of notes, even if they were in perfect pitch, described them as unpleasant and dissonant, while other people with a familiarity with the style of music played found the same combinations of notes appealing and pleasing.
the implication is that the reaction to musical style is not in nature, but in nurture.

this study found that people who already had a favorable predisposition towards "heavy metal" music experienced exactly the opposite of the common misconception about its effects - they became calmer and less aggressive than when exposed to periods of silence.

this study found no difference in anger levels between listeners of "heavy metal" compared to listeners of any other genre of music.

this study found that the emotional and physical response of people who were predisposed towards "heavy metal" music was comparable to "a warm hug" -- feelings of stress, anger, depression, negativity, aggression etc. actually reduced after listening to it, while feelings of inspiration increased.


all of these studies were done with secular music with secular lyrics.
to be honest, i don't think they apply at all to music written by believers, for believers, and about gospel truth. we're different animals.

but the evidence suggests that there is no causal link with "heavy metal" music and aggressive behavior or angered emotional responses. what there may be a link between is musical styles that people are already predisposed to, and positive impacts. this is all from studies done with purely secular music.

the scientific argument is an argument for culturally relevant music.
They are biased studies. If a person is punched, then they will feel it's effects. Just as if someone yells at you. It effects your mood. Now, can a person become desensitized to something bad? Most definitely. But there are testimonials of believers who did not like how this music made them feel after accepting Christ.
 
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Jason, it is your opinion that music in the genre metal is angry. Just because something is loud and charismatic does not make it angry. All my life I have attended churches that the pastor was "loud" but just because he was loud does not mean he was angry, he was just passionate. Your mentioned scripture speaks of anger specifically. The lyrics of these songs if you would take out the music and just read the lyrics you may see they are not portrayed as angry ones, but to draw us or others nearer to our Savior and get a closer relationship with him.
I am not angry. I am saddened that you beleive something is bad just because you do not like it. Not all people feel this way. I myself do not "cotton" to heavy metal christian music. But i beleive "all things happen for the greater glory of those that love the lord and are called according to his purpose." Phil 4:13.
The people that write this music want to bring young people to Christ. In todays society it is very difficult to do this. Go to a few churches near your hometown and tell me the ratio of elderlies to young folks in that church. If something brings someone to Christ is it evil?
you have a right to your opinion, but that is just what it is. you should not judge something just because you do not like it. "judge not lest ye be judged." and "let he who is free from sin cast the first stone..."
 

Reborn

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Besides, do you honestly believe that Heavy Metal will be in Heaven?
Hmmm......you have me thinking now.
What about soft elevator music, Jason?

Can I go up 10 floors, and not be worried that its just a clever plan by Satan to trap me,
.................and then yell at me in an enclosed box?

Should I just take the stairs?
 

jsr1221

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Hmmm......you have me thinking now.
What about soft elevator music, Jason?

Can I go up 10 floors, and not be worried that its just a clever plan by Satan to trap me,
.................and then yell at me in an enclosed box?

Should I just take the stairs?
My mom got stuck in an elevator once when she was pregnant. To this day would take said steps of stairs rather than an elevator to tenth floor. Maybe not such a bad idea.
 
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A lot of women, and I mean a lot, would disagree with your "effiminate" comment, and no I'm not cutting my hair for you!!!!!:)
First, the Bible says it is a shame unto a man to have long hair. Second, the whole long hair and lipstick thing that was popular in the 80's does make one look like a girl. For has anyone mistaken you for a girl from behind?
 
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Jason, it is your opinion that music in the genre metal is angry. Just because something is loud and charismatic does not make it angry. All my life I have attended churches that the pastor was "loud" but just because he was loud does not mean he was angry, he was just passionate. Your mentioned scripture speaks of anger specifically. The lyrics of these songs if you would take out the music and just read the lyrics you may see they are not portrayed as angry ones, but to draw us or others nearer to our Savior and get a closer relationship with him.
I am not angry. I am saddened that you beleive something is bad just because you do not like it. Not all people feel this way. I myself do not "cotton" to heavy metal christian music. But i beleive "all things happen for the greater glory of those that love the lord and are called according to his purpose." Phil 4:13.
The people that write this music want to bring young people to Christ. In todays society it is very difficult to do this. Go to a few churches near your hometown and tell me the ratio of elderlies to young folks in that church. If something brings someone to Christ is it evil?
you have a right to your opinion, but that is just what it is. you should not judge something just because you do not like it. "judge not lest ye be judged." and "let he who is free from sin cast the first stone..."
Are you being serious that heavy metal does not sound aggressive? Even unbelievers know it sounds aggressive.
 

jsr1221

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First, the Bible says it is a shame unto a man to have long hair. Second, the whole long hair and lipstick thing that was popular in the 80's does make one look like a girl. For has anyone mistaken you for a girl from behind?
Define long hair. Is it long wavy hair? Long curly hair? Long hair that just goes to your back? What about facial hair? Cause hair can come in many forms.
 
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IMHO, Jason is a troll that likes to hijack threads. He's done it before and he's doing it now! I'm done with this imposter, that is starved of attention.
 
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cmarieh

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My personal preference with music is if I cannot understand the lyrics while being sung or the lyrics go against the bible it is not worth listening to.
 
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cmarieh

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My mom got stuck in an elevator once when she was pregnant. To this day would take said steps of stairs rather than an elevator to tenth floor. Maybe not such a bad idea.
I have no issue with elevators as I prefer taking stairs, but the stairs don't like me. Lol. I don't like using escalators. It always makes me feel a little light-headed.
 
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skylove7

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First, the Bible says it is a shame unto a man to have long hair. Second, the whole long hair and lipstick thing that was popular in the 80's does make one look like a girl. For has anyone mistaken you for a girl from behind?
Question is Jason....has anyone ever mistaken you for a caring Christian,...from your "front?' :)
 
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it's interesting but sad how people can be easily influenced in what they are uninformed about.pictures...words..light...and even sounds....are stimuli which influence our being.....Satan knows this.....And he delights when we dismiss this fact.....It doesn't take words to influence our body and minds.....Simple "frequencies" is all it takes.....We can go to church all week ....but still contaminate our own soul....All things have a resonant frequency,,,including our brain...our bodies...and even the earth....alter those from their original created form....and what's the outcome?....When two frequencies collide they can cancel or combine in amplitude....Don't just justify things because YOU may like it...Inform yourself....a little poison mixed in with some sugar....is still poison.
 
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IMHO, Jason is a troll that likes to hijack threads. He's done it before and he's doing it now! I'm done with this imposter, that is starved of attention.
I am actually a human being (and not a monster as you say). I also abide and follow Jesus Christ. For you can slander me all you like for me speaking out against evil and sin according to God's Word, but I know God's people have been attacked since the beginning of time. For the children of the bondservant has always persecuted the children of the free. In other words, the man of God uses the Word of God (that abides within him) instead of that man attacking the other individual by calling them names.