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[Jason0047]

Many have explained them....you just refuse to see the truth as you have been blinded by your salvation lite psuedo gospel!

I reject it because it is not in the Bible. Your lack of trying to explain it does not help you; And your personal attacks against me does not help your case any, either.

 

[Jason0047]

Jason, this is a good article for you to read. It goes to the questions you mentioned. I hope you read it to the end and post what you think of it.

The Gospel is the most basic, foundational message of the New Testament, yet it’s the most misunderstood. Today’s religious system is not preaching the same Gospel that Paul did. They mix it with the Law, and that isn’t the Gospel at all.

The book of Romans was written to explain the Gospel so that anybody could understand it. Paul, the writer, made it so simple that you’d have to have somebody help you to misunderstand it. And, unfortunately, we’ve had a lot of help!

Paul started off with this statement in Romans 1:16:

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

That is a radical statement. This word “gospel” in the original Greek is a word that was seldom used at the time this was written. Nobody talked this way, because the word literally means nearly-too-good-to-be-true news. It referred to news that was so awesome, nothing really justified using it. Nothing was nearly too good to be true.

But Paul said he was not ashamed of the Gospel. Why? “For it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” The Gospel is the power of God, and that’s talking about grace. Acts 20:24 and Galatians 1:6 both use the terms “gospel” and “grace” interchangeably. It’s saying that when you understand the Gospel, or the grace of God, it’ll release the power of God into your life. That’s huge!

The context is that you cannot do evil knowing God's Judgment. For even the unbeliever who knows about God's Judgment is condemned for their unrighteousness.

" Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." (Romans 1:32).

Does doing good apply to the believer, too? It sure does. If you were to keep reading it says this in Romans 2,

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7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;"​

Did you catch that? It says that there are those who continue in patience in well doing unto ..... eternal life. But there are those who are contentious who obey unrighteousness. This leads to the wrath of God. For God is not respecter of persons. For many who have sinned without the Law have perished without the Law. Just like those in the global flood. The wicked world perished in the flood because their thoughts were evil continually. Today it is the same. Those who sin without the law (or outside of the faith described in the New Testament), they will still perish. For Romans 11:21-22 says this,

"For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

In other words, you have to continue in God's goodness or you will be cut off just as the natural branches (the Jews) were cut off.

The next verse in Romans 1 says,

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

I agree that the just shall live by faith as Romans 1:17 says. However, what does Hebrews say about if one who draws back if they do not live by faith?

"Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." (Hebrews 10:38).

Did you catch that? The verse says that God will have no pleasure in him that draws back away from having faith.

Notice that righteousness is not revealed from Law to Law, from good deed to good deed—it’s revealed from faith to faith. Here’s a good piece of information to consider: Sin won’t stop the power of God for salvation in your life but trusting in your own good works will.

Your right. It does not say from Law to Law. But what does the word "Law" refer to here? Is it referring to the Law of Moses or to all Law in general (Including the Laws and Commands in the New Testament)? Well, we know by the context that it is referring to the Law of Moses because Romans 2:25-29 mentions the variation of the word "circumcision" 10 times in relation to the Law. This is lets us know it is talking about the Law of Moses and that it is NOT talking about the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), or the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2), or the Royal Law (James 2:8), or the Law of Faith (Romans 3:27).

For righteousness is revealed faith to faith indeed. But what does true faith look like according to the Bible?

Hebrews 11 mentions the word "faith" as both a belief and as an action.
James says that faith without works is dead (James 2:17). So how can a dead faith access the grace of God (Which is a free gift)?
James says a man's religion is in vain if he does not bridle his own tongue. This lets us know that having the correct kind of faith (that shows itself by action) is a salvation issue.

That’s what

“the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith” means. You receive the righteousness of God by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8)! God won’t withdraw His power because of sin in your life. That’s why it’s nearly-too-good-to-be-true news.

Well, when you read Ephesians 2:8: You also have to read Ephesians 2:2-3 that says this,

"Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."​

Did you catch that? It says we used to walk according to the course of this world and were children of disobedience; And we used to in times PAST we used to fulfill the desires of the lust of the flesh and WERE (Past tense) by nature children of Wrath.

This means that we are not that way anymore.

 

[crossnote]

Titus 3:9-11 (KJV)
9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

You're on ignore Jason. I'll check in in about a month, hopefully things will have changed...doubt it.

 

[Jason0047]

...Continued Quotes From LadyLynn:

When you talk like this, people with a religious mindset immediately say, “Well, what about sin? This sounds like you’re just giving people a license to sin.” Not so! Last I checked, people were sinning without a license! I’m not advocating sin. But, see, this is the immediate reaction when you start talking about righteousness by faith. They think you need to make people aware of their sin and the wrath of God.

But that’s why Paul said in the next verses,

For the wrath of God is [already] revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; [19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Romans 1:18-19, brackets mineNotice it says it’s manifest in them, not to them, for God has shown it unto them. God has put in every single person who has ever breathed an intuitive knowledge that they are a sinner and that they deserve rejection instead of acceptance. You don’t need to tell people this; they already know it.​

We aren’t called to convict people of their sin but to convince them that the only way they can obtain righteousness, or right standing, with God is through putting faith in what Jesus did for them, not through something they’ve done. That’s why I spend so much of my time on this, and it’s what many of my teaching materials are devoted to.

No way. Paul says do not have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather .... REPROVE them (Ephesians 5:11). Paul also says if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and they know nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). Paul says be not deceived the urighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9). (Please take note that only believers can be deceived because unbelievers are already deceived by the devil). So Paul is talking to believers in saying that they cannot be unrighteous. He says to them.... BE NOT DECEIVED (as he is writing to the brethren and not to the unbeliever). Paul then says in verse 11 that some of the believers were once thieves, murderers, etc. This means it saying they used to live that way but they are not living that way anymore because they are changed spiritually.

Let’s look at Luke 18:9-14 to verify this:

And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: [10] Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [11] The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [12] I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [13] And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. [14] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

This is a powerful parable. Let me ask you: Are you like the Pharisee or the publican? I’m not talking about your actions but your trust. Do you trust in what you do for the Lord or what He has done for you? If a person is putting faith in all of their religious acts—all of their holiness—then that will actually block them from righteousness and relationship with God. But the person who maybe hasn’t been as good, yet they’ve humbled themselves and cried out to God, this is the one who enters into right standing with God.

In the Parable of the Tax Collector and the Pharisee: Why was the Pharisee not justified? Because he did not humble himself before God. He did not admit his sin before the Lord and then seeked to be forgiven for that sin by crying out to God to have mercy on him like the Tax Collector. This lets us know that God can give us grace if we do happen to struggle with sin if we are humble before him (And we confess and forsake sin - Proverbs 28:13). That's the point of the Parable that Jesus wanted to get across. It was one who looked to be humble before God by being open and honest before the LORD in dealing with any known sin in their life. The Pharisee was in the wrong because he thought he was better than the Tax Collector and he did not look at himself before God. But nowhere does Jesus teach that we are to remain in our sins (as long as we just confess them). Jesus told the woman caught in the act of adultery to sin to.... "sin no more." In fact, Jesus defined repentance for us when he said that the Ninevites will rise up in Judgemnt against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. Well, if you were to turn to then end of the 3rd chapter of Jonah, you would read that the Ninevites turned from their wicked ways as a part of their repentance.

That’s what it says in Romans 9:30-32a:

What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. [31] But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. [32]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law.

Again, what Law is it talking about? Well, we know it is talking about the Law of Moses because it says Israel that followed after the law. But ask yourself why did Israel not attain the righteousness of the Law? Because they did not seek it out by faith. Yes, there was faith even before Jesus came. For Abraham was justified by faith. Abraham's faith did not just consist of a mental acknowledgment alone but his faith also involved action, too.

This says there are two types of righteousness: a faith righteousness and a righteousness that comes by the Law. Righteousness by the Law is a righteousness based on performance. Another way to say it is “self-righteousness.” The truth is, nobody can perform well enough to get Law righteousness, because the Bible says in Isaiah 64:6 that “all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.” And James 2:10 says that if you keep the Law and yet offend in one point, you are guilty of breaking the entire thing. In other words, if you did ninety-nine out of a hundred things right and one thing wrong, according to the Law of righteousness, you would be unrighteous. BUT! If you put your faith in Jesus, you would receive His righteousness—faith righteousness—even though you did ninety-nine out of a hundred things wrong! What a deal!

Isaiah is talking about your own personal righteousness and he is not talking about the Commands given to us by God. Scripture says God's Law is holy and good. However, how does one keep the Law? By themselves? No. One keeps the Law like one has always done in the faith thru out all time. It is by allowing God to transform your spirit and your heart and by allowing God to put His Spirit within you so as to keep His laws and statutes.

Ezekiel 36:26-27
"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

As for James: He is talking about the New Testmament Law of Liberty and not the Law of Moses; And James says you will judged by the Law of Liberty if you break it.

11For he that said,Do not commit adultery,said also,Do not kill.Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
12So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."

​

There are many people today who wouldn’t consider themselves to be seeking after Law righteousness, but they really are. Their only hope of entering into heaven instead of hell is that they go to church, they try to be good, they live up to some standard of morality. That’s what this is talking about when it says the Jews weren’t seeking righteousness by faith but by the Law. They were trying to earn what God had given as a gift.

It is true that there are people who have not admited that they are a sinner and have accepted Jesus Christ and believe that he is their Savior. They seek to establish their own righteousness and not the righteousness of God. What is the righteousness of God? It is God doing the "good work" within you. For what are the fruits of the Spirit? (See Galatians 5).

The Scriptures say this,

28 "He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

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And the context... "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins," (Hebrews 10:26). Meaning, you cannot willfully sin after having received the knowledge of the truth, otherwise it would be no different than one who despised Moses Law.

The rest of Romans 9:32 says,

For they stumbled at that stumblingstone.

It is offensive to people, particularly if they have a lot of holy actions to their names, when you tell them that all their good deeds don’t make them righteous before God.Then when you tell them sinners who only put faith in God are more righteous than they are (Matt. 21:28-32), that really puts them over the top!

No. Jesus said that the Pharisee's problem was that they were too holy in obeying God. That is utter none sense. Jesus said, their problem is that they ignored the weightier matters of the Law like justice, faith, and mercy (Matthew 23:23).

They say, “You mean I’m not any better than the person who’s been out living in sin?”

That’s exactly what I’m saying. That’s exactly what Paul and Jesus said.

No. John says he that sins is of the devil and he that does righteousness is of God. Jesus said if your righteousness does not exceed that of the Pharisees then you not enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus said if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven by the Father. Jesus said if a person looks upon another in lust, it would be better to pluck out their eye then to have that eye go into Hell-fire. For all who offend and do iniquity in Christ's Kingdom will be removed by the Son of Man's angels (Matthew 13:41). Do not be deceived. God is not mocked. For whatesoever a man soweth, that he shall reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. (Galatians 6:7-8).

 

[ember]

so boring already...just over and over and over and over...and over

it's like going to the fridge for re-gurgitated leftovers

I would throw 'em out personally...I would not try to revive them for the 1oooth time, knowing it would not work anyway

oh you do so know what I mean

 

[Jason0047]

Titus 3:9-11 (KJV)
9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

You're on ignore Jason. I'll check in in about a month, hopefully things will have changed...doubt it.

What is the context of Titus 3?

Well, if you were to skip back to the end of Titus chapter 2, it says this...

"11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.15These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee."

Did you catch what it said? It says the grace of God appeared unto all men TEACHES us that DENYING ungodliness and worldly lusts that we should live righteously and godly in this present world.

So if you believe all sin is forgiven you (Past, present, and future): Well, we know from the above verse that there is no such thing as God's grace covering your current or future rebellion or sin (Even if you did not confess or forsake it). For grace teaches us that we are to DENY UNGODLINESS. That is what grace teaches. Denying ungodliness. Paul even said that if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and they know nothing. (1 Timothy 6:3-4). In other words, IF...IF....you are teaching me to deny the words of Jesus Christ and you are teaching me to deny the doctrine of Godliness (Which is sure sounds like that is what you are teaching such a thing but I will give you the benefit of the doubt), then Paul is essentially that you are proud and you know nothing.

As for strivings about the "Law": Well, this is obviously in reference to the "Law of Moses" and not the Law of Christ or the Commands given to us by Jesus Christ or the Commands given to us by Paul. For even Paul said that what he has written to us should be considered or regarded as the LORD's Commandments (1 Corinthians 14:37). So if Paul was saying we should not strive about what he has commanded us, then that is essentially saying one does not really care what Paul really said. So we know that this is speaking about striving over debates involving the Law of Moses and not about what we are commanded to do for our Lord under the New Testament. For Jesus said, why do you call me Lord, Lord, if you do not do what I say? For no man can serve two masters. For he will hate the one and love the other.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Since you like to add little bits, I will too.
1. The Law was actually GIVEN to Moses. (He was a messenger)
2. Grace-&-Truth (kind of a combined package) CAME as Jesus.

to add a few more.

1. The law was given to Moses BY JESUS
2. Grace and truth was given by Jesus before the law. during the law, and after jesus himself fulfilled the law. based on the foreknowledge of the father that Jesus was going to fulfill the law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Rahab was a Gentile and not subject to Israel's Law.

God spared Israel time and again for HIS Glory and HIS Plan - that of bringing about the Messiah to bring about a better covenant built on better promises \o/.

And He even used a Law-less prostitute to help make it happen.

-JGIG

Amazing how truthful and powerful the OT is showing God grace, that God used a bunch of sinners (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Issac and Jacob, Moses, Kind david, the list goes on and on and on) to fulfill his plan. and prove to all creation Goods great love and mercy (grace)

 

[Jason0047]

so boring already...just over and over and over and over...and over

it's like going to the fridge for re-gurgitated leftovers

I would throw 'em out personally...I would not try to revive them for the 1oooth time, knowing it would not work anyway

oh you do so know what I mean

We are talking about the salvation of men's souls here. I am sorry that such a topic bores you. For me it is very serious and I would prefer that would not mock such a discussion that is important to our Lord.

 

[Jason0047]

Amazing how truthful and powerful the OT is showing God grace, that God used a bunch of sinners (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Issac and Jacob, Moses, Kind david, the list goes on and on and on) to fulfill his plan. and prove to all creation Goods great love and mercy (grace)

No way. Hebrews 11 commends these people for their faith and not because of their sin. David is a perfect example of what one would do with their sin if they were to sin. David confessed his sin before God. Did David continue to commit murder and adultery after that? If he did, don't you think he would have confessed it again and seeked to continue to follow God and be a man after God's own heart? For David believed that the Holy Spirit could be taken from him because he said to the Lord in his confession of his sin not to take His Holy Spirit from him. This means, God can withdraw from a beleiver because of sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I was just thinking about this very thing while I was driving around town today. Here is something I read in a book which I found to be very instructive.

Mercy - NOT getting what you deserve. (Punishment)

Grace - Getting what you do NOT deserve (Salvation and forgiveness!)

amen and amen, the two are inceperable. you can not have one without the other.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Grace is only received if one is humble and penitent towards the Lord and if they desire to never sin again against Him. For the Lord will not tolerate any excuses of people saying that they will always sin at some point in the future by the fact that they cannot stop sinning. For Romans 6:14 says sin shall not have dominion over you.

here is proof of one who has probably read and studied the law so many times in his life, Yet never fully comprehended the law and what it means to all mankind, and why not one iota of the law has been done away with and will not until the end of time.

The schoolmaster has tried and tried to lead this man to Christ, but in his pride he keeps letting go of the schoolmasters hands, and says no, I do not need you help. I can get there myself. thanks for your help. and in doing so. the schoolmaster can not lead him to the correct gate.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where on Earth are you getting this stuff? Seriously.

he is proof that the things of God are foolish to those who are not his. He speaks such foolish things, because he shows us what he sees in light of what God says,

I am suree many of us used to think foolish things like this when we read the word of God until the lights came on, and we first chose to trust him in the things unseen (our hope) and the things of God all of a sudden started making sense and our eyes were opened, and we realised all the stupid foolish things we had believed before.

 

[Gr8grace]

If the believer thinks his battle is against sin................SIN HAS DOMINION OVER THAT BELIEVER.

If the believer thinks Jesus Christ defeated sin...............SIN DOES NOT HAVE DOMINION OVER THAT BELIEVER.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Faulty logic. What do you think would have happened if the Israelites did not put their faith in action by placing the blood on the door posts?

um lets see.

No faith. no salvation.

Does not take a brain surgeon,

Also. does not prove your wishy washy self righteous salvation.

They were saved THE MOMENT they had faith their action was a result of salvation, not the other way around.

You need to read heb 11. Faith is in things UNSEEN, not things seen (WORKS) there is no faith in works, there is only work in faith.

that is why salvation is of faith and NOT WORK.

 

[KJB]

I reject it because it is not in the Bible. Your lack of trying to explain it does not help you; And your personal attacks against me does not help your case any, either.

Look dude Jason, maybe your book is labeled the Bible but all the little interpretations of it went wrong somewhere in your cognitive processes of your mind.

Tell me Ephesians 2: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. If your interpretation of that is different then something is twisting the hemispheres of your brain and it is not processing words correctly.

I grew up Catholic, went to private schools under Catholic instructions, and I could never connect how doing a mast amount of good works would help save me, it was always through grace and faith and my belief in Jesus Christ that I would be able to do so because that is what was in my Bible, and all Bibles. Once a teenager, I came to realize I was a Christian, not a labeled Catholic Christian because there were somethings there imposed by man that if you do good deeds those are adding up and apparently you get your name placed on a higher spot in the Book in Heaven. Makes no sense why God would do that.

I think you need read Proverbs 18: 2, A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. And Revelation 22: 18-19, I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this books: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in the book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book (i.e. The Bible).

Godspeed Jason.

-Kim

 

[Jason0047]

here is proof of one who has probably read and studied the law so many times in his life, Yet never fully comprehended the law and what it means to all mankind, and why not one iota of the law has been done away with and will not until the end of time.

The schoolmaster has tried and tried to lead this man to Christ, but in his pride he keeps letting go of the schoolmasters hands, and says no, I do not need you help. I can get there myself. thanks for your help. and in doing so. the schoolmaster can not lead him to the correct gate.

The school master is the Law of Moses and not the Law of Christ or the Commands given to us by Jesus christ and the apostles.

Sin is transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4); And Paul says that what he has written to us should be considered as the Lord's Commandments (1 Corinthians 14:37). Paul said that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). Also, what does the grace of God teach us? At the end of Titus chapter 2, we learn that the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and that we should walk in righteousness and godliness. Do you believe the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness as the Scriptures say?

 

[Magenta]

If the believer thinks his battle is against sin................SIN HAS DOMINION OVER THAT BELIEVER.

If the believer thinks Jesus Christ defeated sin...............SIN DOES NOT HAVE DOMINION OVER THAT BELIEVER.

Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No way. Hebrews 11 commends these people for their faith and not because of their sin. David is a perfect example of what one would do with their sin if they were to sin. David confessed his sin before God. Did David continue to commit murder and adultery after that? If he did, don't you think he would have confessed it again and seeked to continue to follow God and be a man after God's own heart? For David believed that the Holy Spirit could be taken from him because he said to the Lord in his confession of his sin not to take His Holy Spirit from him. This means, God can withdraw from a beleiver because of sin.

Your right.

Hebrews commends them for their FAITH.

Because it was their faith that saved them, not their works.

So you going to ignore the OT which showed (proved) what sinners they are? You are one of the most blind men I have ever met (and in here, that is saying alot)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If the believer thinks his battle is against sin................SIN HAS DOMINION OVER THAT BELIEVER.

If the believer thinks Jesus Christ defeated sin...............SIN DOES NOT HAVE DOMINION OVER THAT BELIEVER.

you must spread some reputation around before giving it to Gr8grace again.


Amen and Amen brother!