Protestants follow many Catholic traditions that began during the 1st century
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The Sabbath was given for man, that he should rest from all work, as a prefigure of our rest in Christ from all works to earn righteousness.
There is no Sabbath observance required in the NT, for Christ is our Sabbath, every day.
There is, however, the command not to forsake assembling together for teaching and worship.
The early church fittingly chose the day of their Savior's resurrection for such observance.
There is no Sabbath observance required in the NT, for Christ is our Sabbath, every day.
There is, however, the command not to forsake assembling together for teaching and worship.
The early church fittingly chose the day of their Savior's resurrection for such observance.
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whilst Marcion said it for the wrong reason (his dislike of the Old Testament) his conclusion was at least partially true. The Sabbath is no longer binding on Christians, (although the observance of a day for worshiping the Lord is), and whilst the Law guides us as to what is right and wrong it is no longer our regulator and judge. We are no longer 'under the law'. We have died to it in Christ.
Which version is that? It is not in my Bible. There is nothing in Genesis 1-2 about the Sabbath.
Which they did after the Exile whilst they waited for the promised rest.
Certainly Paul made use of the Sabbath as a day when he could find Jews gathered together to whom he could proclaim the word. I am not convinced that 'he brought Gentiles into the synagogue on the Sabbath'. What is more correct is that they were drawn to hear him. What is also true is that he ceased attending the synagogue on the Sabbath (Acts 13.46; 18.6-7; 19.8-9) because of the attitude of the Jews and rather preached to the Gentiles in the house of Titus (Acts 18.7, 11; and daily in the School of Tyrranus (19.9-10).
Where is that made clear? In the light of Acts 20.7 it is a huge presumption. Which pagan culture affected Paul? If it is true why did neither Jesus nor Paul nor Peter exhort the observance of the Sabbath?
Very true, so it is foolish to argue about which day we should observe.
I am not convinced that the previous calendar was any better.
Yes let us observe the Day of Resurrection.
True, but if He wanted us to observe it, it is strange that He did not mention it, especially in the list He gave to the rich young ruler.
Which He did do by fulfilling it to the letter.
7.Marcion teachings 110-160 AD
“Graven images were prohibited by the 10 Commandments, yet Moses was instructed to fashion a bronze serpent.”
refuting Marcion.........
The bronze serpent on the pole was the visible antidote to the venom of the snake. Those who looked to the bronze serpent were saved from certain death. Those who look to the “suffering servant” on the pole are saved from the bite of the serpent “haSatan.” Marcion indicted God for wrongdoing, regardless of the fact that the Israelites weren't worshiping the bronze serpent; neither did Marcion respect the fact that God's Word is Sanctified by His Perfection which is revealed in Messiah.
It is also in scripture that the corruption of man's carnal mind turned the serpent that Moses had built into an idol, and it was therefore necessary to destroy it. When we turn the truth into a self indulgent idol, we are guilty of the same thing.
“He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.” (2 Kings 18:4)
5180(נהשתן) Nchushtan nekh-oosh-tawn' from 5178; something made of copper, i.e. the copper serpent of the Desert:--Nehushtan.
נהש = snake
תן = gift
It is so easy (as it seems) for the carnal mind of humans to distort God's true intention for human kind, thereby making a mockery out of our divine Creator, calling it Christian doctrine in so many cases when it isn't Christlike at all.
“Graven images were prohibited by the 10 Commandments, yet Moses was instructed to fashion a bronze serpent.”
refuting Marcion.........
The bronze serpent on the pole was the visible antidote to the venom of the snake. Those who looked to the bronze serpent were saved from certain death. Those who look to the “suffering servant” on the pole are saved from the bite of the serpent “haSatan.” Marcion indicted God for wrongdoing, regardless of the fact that the Israelites weren't worshiping the bronze serpent; neither did Marcion respect the fact that God's Word is Sanctified by His Perfection which is revealed in Messiah.
It is also in scripture that the corruption of man's carnal mind turned the serpent that Moses had built into an idol, and it was therefore necessary to destroy it. When we turn the truth into a self indulgent idol, we are guilty of the same thing.
“He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.” (2 Kings 18:4)
5180(נהשתן) Nchushtan nekh-oosh-tawn' from 5178; something made of copper, i.e. the copper serpent of the Desert:--Nehushtan.
נהש = snake
תן = gift
It is so easy (as it seems) for the carnal mind of humans to distort God's true intention for human kind, thereby making a mockery out of our divine Creator, calling it Christian doctrine in so many cases when it isn't Christlike at all.
8.Marcion teachings 110-160 AD
“The God of the Old Testament could not have been omniscient, otherwise He would not have asked, “Adam where are you?” (Genesis 3:9)
refuting Marcion.........
It is written that God is an all merciful and loving Father; therefore He gave Adam and Eve a few moments to compose themselves before having to approach Him. They had fallen into transgression, were devastated and ashamed, as illustrated by their nakedness. But, with an apparent brazen hatred towards the Almighty (perfect) God, Marcion and Christo-Paganism invented a false religious premise from which they fashioned their own god unto themselves whom they named JeZueus.
[video=youtube;I3ViCUhGdkI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ViCUhGdkI[/video]
“The God of the Old Testament could not have been omniscient, otherwise He would not have asked, “Adam where are you?” (Genesis 3:9)
refuting Marcion.........
It is written that God is an all merciful and loving Father; therefore He gave Adam and Eve a few moments to compose themselves before having to approach Him. They had fallen into transgression, were devastated and ashamed, as illustrated by their nakedness. But, with an apparent brazen hatred towards the Almighty (perfect) God, Marcion and Christo-Paganism invented a false religious premise from which they fashioned their own god unto themselves whom they named JeZueus.
[video=youtube;I3ViCUhGdkI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ViCUhGdkI[/video]
Titus 3:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
2 Timothy 2:23-26 (NKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
[SUP]26 [/SUP] and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
2 Timothy 2:23-26 (NKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
[SUP]26 [/SUP] and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
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No, I am not Roman Catholic. I am a former Sabbath/festival keeper who was deceived by the false doctrines of individuals such as yourself.
In regards to the use of the word Judaizer below, I am commenting about those who say the Sabbath and/or Holy Days are requirements or conditions or necessary proofs of salvation. I am not talking about individuals who observe such days out of preference or individual conviction without trying to force other Christians to observe them.
The Old Covenant was clearly temporary in nature and Galatians 3 is clear in this regard.
So does Colossians 2:16-17, as you can see the Sabbath and Holy Days are mentioned in the same context as food and drink offerings. You can also compare the language of Hebrews 10:1-2, which speaks of animal sacrifices, with the language Colossians 2:16-17 employs with regards to the Sabbath and Holy Days, to see that they are placed in the same level of applicability to New Covenant Christians. Food and drink offerings are also mentioned in Hebrews 9:10-12, as being only until the "time of reformation" which is until Christ came and died on the cross as indicated by the following verses.
While your arguments may convice a gullible inexperienced person like I was 30 years ago, they are foolishness to someone who has more than a surface level understanding of Scripture and history.
Your contention that Colossians 2:16-17 is referring to Sabbathkeepers being judged by non-Sabbathkeepers is not coherent and I have proven that conclusively on other threads. Judaizers have a long history of judging others, and the Scriptural evidence of this is mentioned in one of the threads I list below.
It is Judaizers who are continually making accusations that others are false Christians and following a false system. They are the ones who continually judge and call others "so-called Christians", "false Christians", following a "false Christianity", etcetera, etcetera.
One might note that many Judaizers hold very bad theology in other areas, including denying the Trinity, the full deity of Jesus Christ, etcetera. The group I came from claimed they were God beings in embryonic form, and would be born into the Kingdom of God as fully God.
If anyone really wants to see the errors of Judaizers and their bad logic, see these threads:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-17-sabbath-festival-new-moon-observance.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/115326-hebrews-4-9-real-sabbath-jesus.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/115415-matthew-5-17-19-sabbathkeeping-claims.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...hkeepers-concerning-colossians-2-16-17-a.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ebrews-10-1-2-judging-non-sabbathkeepers.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/117465-structure-old-covenant.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...questions-sabbath-festival-torah-keepers.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/117464-sabbath-circumcision-comparison.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-old-covenant-observance-causes-division.html
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9.Marcion teachings 110-160 AD, and the 10th post will be the last concerning him
The God of the Old Testament was a ruthless God of vengeance, cruelty and wrath, but Jesus was full of grace and compassion.”
refuting Marcion.........
Jesus, is the Word or Mind of His Father, and our Father in heaven if we truly believe in Christ our Savior minus contrived distortion. God's only Son became flesh and d welled among us; these are ONE, yet Marcion taught that God exists in “persons.” Marcion's therory divided the “Godhead” against itself, following a very common pagan mindset that the gods are at war with each other. The Gentile culture that birthed Marcion viewed the Hebrew (One God) based faith as old and passe`. (no longer fashionable; out of date)
Marcion's carnal perspective of God left an indelible mark within Christianity that is commonplace to this very day.
The God of the Old Testament was a ruthless God of vengeance, cruelty and wrath, but Jesus was full of grace and compassion.”
refuting Marcion.........
Jesus, is the Word or Mind of His Father, and our Father in heaven if we truly believe in Christ our Savior minus contrived distortion. God's only Son became flesh and d welled among us; these are ONE, yet Marcion taught that God exists in “persons.” Marcion's therory divided the “Godhead” against itself, following a very common pagan mindset that the gods are at war with each other. The Gentile culture that birthed Marcion viewed the Hebrew (One God) based faith as old and passe`. (no longer fashionable; out of date)
Marcion's carnal perspective of God left an indelible mark within Christianity that is commonplace to this very day.
10.Marcion teachings 110-160 AD
Marcion coined the terms Old and New Testament. This term “Old Testament” is in the KJV only once in 2 Corinthians 3:14. The term “Old Testament” has now replaced the correct term of “Ancient Covenant.” That “Ancient Covenant” has been “renewed” by Christ. The term “New Testament” has replaced the correct term of “Renewed Covenant.” In relation, the current Covenant is an invitation by God's own Jewish people to enable Gentiles to be grafted into the Kingdom of God (the olive tree). Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin, an Israelite Jew. See Romans 11:17 In truth, how can Gentile religion reject the Jew? (Romans 2:10)
By replacing the word “covenant” with “testament” Marcion and other pagan theologians wrestled Jeremiah 31:31-34 away from the foundational teachings of Jesus Christ, and His apostles. Marcion also divided Jesus and His followers away from God the Father and turned Christ into a self sustained deity that opposed the (by Marcion's own terms) the “Old Testament.” We can thank Marcion the heretic for implanting such contrary values against the Unified and Eternal Word of the living God.
[video=youtube;JESqfECPJmI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JESqfECPJmI[/video]
Marcion coined the terms Old and New Testament. This term “Old Testament” is in the KJV only once in 2 Corinthians 3:14. The term “Old Testament” has now replaced the correct term of “Ancient Covenant.” That “Ancient Covenant” has been “renewed” by Christ. The term “New Testament” has replaced the correct term of “Renewed Covenant.” In relation, the current Covenant is an invitation by God's own Jewish people to enable Gentiles to be grafted into the Kingdom of God (the olive tree). Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin, an Israelite Jew. See Romans 11:17 In truth, how can Gentile religion reject the Jew? (Romans 2:10)
By replacing the word “covenant” with “testament” Marcion and other pagan theologians wrestled Jeremiah 31:31-34 away from the foundational teachings of Jesus Christ, and His apostles. Marcion also divided Jesus and His followers away from God the Father and turned Christ into a self sustained deity that opposed the (by Marcion's own terms) the “Old Testament.” We can thank Marcion the heretic for implanting such contrary values against the Unified and Eternal Word of the living God.
[video=youtube;JESqfECPJmI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JESqfECPJmI[/video]