Is the Devil bound right now...?

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Is Satan bound right now?


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VCO

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The symbolism is very clear.

According to Revelation, Satan is....
bound for '1,000 years'...and then let loose for '1 hour'....!

For the literalist's out there....How many 1hr periods are in 1,000 years?!!!

And yet....you literalists think Satan is not bound today?!!

I think that we have a new Guinness World record for the longest 1 hour period ever!


Rotflol!
Making things up again I see, Bowman.

RULE #1: READ THE ENTIRE CONTEXT.


Revelation 20:3 (YLT)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] and he cast him to the abyss, and did shut him up, and put a seal upon him, that he may not lead astray the nations any more, till the thousand years may be finished; and after these it behoveth him to be loosed a little time.

Revelation 20:7-10 (YLT)

[SUP]7 [/SUP] And when the thousand years may be finished, the Adversary shall be loosed out of his prison,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and he shall go forth to lead the nations astray, that are in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to gather them together to war, of whom the number is as the sand of the sea;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and they did go up over the breadth of the land, and did surround the camp of the saints, and the beloved city, and there came down fire from God out of the heaven, and devoured them;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night--to the ages of the ages.

NOW, how long DO YOU SUPPOSE it take to organize the Logistics and move all the ARMIES to one location from the "four corners of the earth" ? ? ?

YOUR THEORY DOES NOT SQUARE WITH SCRIPTURE.

AND the resurrected unsaved will be included in that Army, as it is Satan's final futile attempt to overthrow Christ.


Revelation 20:5 (NKJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP] But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
 
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Here is a parallel verse to the one that talks about whatever you bind, that should make it perfectly CLEAR:

John 20:22-23 (NASB) Kik
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained."
I am not nor ever will be a cessationist.

Binding and loosing has to do with the authority and power Jesus gave the church.

It is directly tied to the prophetic.
We can allow or disallow . Has nothing to do with sin
 

valiant

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Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:


Has Jesus raised us up yet?
Yes, we have been made alive and raised up with Him and seated in the heavenly places (the spiritual realm). As Rom 6.2-11 makes clear we have been raised with Him in a spiritual resurrection. As Col 3.1 says, 'if you then be risen with Christ --' Clearly Paul saw Christians as risen with Christ.

Has the Rapture happened?
you are mixing up spiritual resurrection with bodily resurrection. The saints in Rev 20.4-5 were spiritually raised, they had not been physically raised. Only their SOULS were there. We too have been spiritually raised in the first resurrection (the resurrection of Christ and us) and await physical resurrection at the second resurrection.


Have we sat in Heavenly places?
I am seated there now and having to combat spiritual hosts of wickedness in heavenly places (Eph 6.12). I am in the spiritual realm with Christ. I have been raised with Christ (Col 3.1) and can therefore seek spiritual things..

Are you a King?
You are so slack in your interpretation. Rev 5 says we are a kingdom, not a king. But yes I do reign with Christ.

Are you a Priest?
Very much so. See 1 Pet 2.5, 9. (you seem to be very ignorant?)

Who do you reign over right now?
I reign with Christ (Who is ruler of the kings of the earth - Rev 1.5) over the whole earth.

Who answers to you?
The whole earth is answerable to Christ and the saints, We live and reign with Christ. Even angels will answer to me :) (1 Cor 6.3)
 

valiant

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Do you even know what the word reigning means? Look it up, then tell me if you think you are currently reigning on Earth.
yes I still think I am reigning on earth. I am 'reigning in life through Christ Jesus' (Rom 5.17). I am seated with Him in the heavenly places and reigning with Him (Eph 2.5-6). I am reigning over known sin. I am exercising mighty powers to bring about Christ's victory in the world (2 Cor 10.4-5). Through my effective prayers I share His reign.

You seem to live a very poor sort of Christian life.:)

If Jesus were currently reigning on Earth, i assure you satan would not be running things. You do error.
LOL Satan is NOT running things. From his restrained position he is simply trying to interfere, and Christ's enemies listen to him. But it is JESUS Who is ruler of the kings of the earth (Rev 1.5). It is GOD who appoints the powers that be (Rom 6.1-6). It is Christ Who since the 1st century AD has been opening the seals which control world history through the centuries (Rev 6)

Yes, i can't find one verse that teaches or even implies that Jesus will NOT reign on the Earth.
you simply reveal your own foolishness. If not verse says that He will why should anyone say that He will not. The question is answered by the fact that He is NOW reigning over the earth (Acts 2.30, 36; Rev 1.5)
 
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yes I still think I am reigning on earth. I am 'reigning in life through Christ Jesus' (Rom 5.17). I am seated with Him in the heavenly places and reigning with Him (Eph 2.5-6). I am reigning over known sin. I am exercising mighty powers to bring about Christ's victory in the world (2 Cor 10.4-5). Through my effective prayers I share His reign.

You seem to live a very poor sort of Christian life.:)



LOL Satan is NOT running things. From his restrained position he is simply trying to interfere, and Christ's enemies listen to him. But it is JESUS Who is ruler of the kings of the earth (Rev 1.5). It is GOD who appoints the powers that be (Rom 6.1-6). It is Christ Who since the 1st century AD has been opening the seals which control world history through the centuries (Rev 6)



you simply reveal your own foolishness. If not verse says that He will why should anyone say that He will not. The question is answered by the fact that He is NOW reigning over the earth (Acts 2.30, 36; Rev 1.5)

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Making things up again I see, Bowman.

RULE #1: READ THE ENTIRE CONTEXT.


Revelation 20:3 (YLT)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] and he cast him to the abyss, and did shut him up, and put a seal upon him, that he may not lead astray the nations any more, till the thousand years may be finished; and after these it behoveth him to be loosed a little time.

Revelation 20:7-10 (YLT)

[SUP]7 [/SUP] And when the thousand years may be finished, the Adversary shall be loosed out of his prison,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] and he shall go forth to lead the nations astray, that are in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to gather them together to war, of whom the number is as the sand of the sea;
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and they did go up over the breadth of the land, and did surround the camp of the saints, and the beloved city, and there came down fire from God out of the heaven, and devoured them;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night--to the ages of the ages.

NOW, how long DO YOU SUPPOSE it take to organize the Logistics and move all the ARMIES to one location from the "four corners of the earth" ? ? ?

YOUR THEORY DOES NOT SQUARE WITH SCRIPTURE.

AND the resurrected unsaved will be included in that Army, as it is Satan's final futile attempt to overthrow Christ.


Revelation 20:5 (NKJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP] But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

If you take the binding as a literal '1k years'.....then you MUST take the release as a literal '1 hour'....in order to prevent hypocrisy on your part...

And the beast which was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes to perdition. And the ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive authority as kings one hour (mian hōran) with the beast. These have one mind, and their power and authority they shall give up to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and the ones with Him are the called and elect and faithful ones.(Rev 17.11 – 14)
 

Ahwatukee

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Morning 49,

Yes, he is confusing isn't he, along with Bowman and Cassian. Here is the actual scripture that they like to refer to:

V1
"When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

Regarding the above, after meeting the righteous requirements of the law, fulfilling it perfectly and paying the penalty for our sins, Christ disarmed the powers of darkness, that is, since the power of sin is the law and Jesus met its righteous requirements, he freed us from the law, basically taking away the powers of darkness ammunition. Now, here is the verse regarding Satan's binding:

V2
"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time."

So, what amil's attempt to do in order to support their false teaching, is they erroneously make the claim that V1 is the fulfillment of V2, i.e. Satan's binding. If you will notice V1 says nothing about Satan being bound, but uses the words "disarm" and "Triumph," Whereas Rev.20 uses the words "bound" and "Abyss" and "a thousand years".

In V1, the power's of darkness have been disarmed because Jesus freed us from the law by fulfilling its requirements, something that humanity couldn't do.

In verse 2, Satan is "seized" by an angel, the language here being much different then V1. Then the angel throws Satan into the Abyss and locks and seals it over him. Whereas V1 in no way conveys the idea of Satan as being bound.

Also, notice that it is in the Abyss that Satan is being bound, which is a real location. In Luke 8:31 the Abyss is the same place that those demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to send them into. It is also the same place where when the fifth trumpet is sounded, a star/angel falls from heaven to the earth having the key to the Abyss and opens it letting out those demonic beings who are commanded to torment the inhabitants of the earth for five months (Rev.9). The Abyss is also where the beast, who is the angel of the Abyss, is currently locked up in and will come out at the sounding of the fifth trumpet. My point being is that, the Abyss is a literal place and Rev.20:2-3 shows that Satan is going to be locked up and sealed in there during Christ's literal thousand year reign.

V1 - When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

V2 -
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended

After comparing V1 to V2 you can plainly see that they do not match, as they are obviously two different events. I hope this information is helpful.
 
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Morning 49,

Yes, he is confusing isn't he, along with Bowman and Cassian. Here is the actual scripture that they like to refer to:

V1
"When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

Regarding the above, after meeting the righteous requirements of the law, fulfilling it perfectly and paying the penalty for our sins, Christ disarmed the powers of darkness, that is, since the power of sin is the law and Jesus met its righteous requirements, he freed us from the law, basically taking away the powers of darkness ammunition. Now, here is the verse regarding Satan's binding:

V2
"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time."

So, what amil's attempt to do in order to support their false teaching, is they erroneously make the claim that V1 is the fulfillment of V2, i.e. Satan's binding. If you will notice V1 says nothing about Satan being bound, but uses the words "disarm" and "Triumph," Whereas Rev.20 uses the words "bound" and "Abyss" and "a thousand years".

In V1, the power's of darkness have been disarmed because Jesus freed us from the law by fulfilling its requirements, something that humanity couldn't do.

In verse 2, Satan is "seized" by an angel, the language here being much different then V1. Then the angel throws Satan into the Abyss and locks and seals it over him. Whereas V1 in no way conveys the idea of Satan as being bound.

Also, notice that it is in the Abyss that Satan is being bound, which is a real location. In Luke 8:31 the Abyss is the same place that those demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to send them into. It is also the same place where when the fifth trumpet is sounded, a star/angel falls from heaven to the earth having the key to the Abyss and opens it letting out those demonic beings who are commanded to torment the inhabitants of the earth for five months (Rev.9). The Abyss is also where the beast, who is the angel of the Abyss, is currently locked up in and will come out at the sounding of the fifth trumpet. My point being is that, the Abyss is a literal place and Rev.20:2-3 shows that Satan is going to be locked up and sealed in there during Christ's literal thousand year reign.

V1 - When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

V2 -
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended

After comparing V1 to V2 you can plainly see that they do not match, as they are obviously two different events. I hope this information is helpful.
A great example of a strawman. I don't know of any person who holds the so-called amill position to have ever used your V! as support. Could you cite any that you know that did
 
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If you take the binding as a literal '1k years'.....then you MUST take the release as a literal '1 hour'....in order to prevent hypocrisy on your part...

And the beast which was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes to perdition. And the ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive authority as kings one hour (mian hōran) with the beast. These have one mind, and their power and authority they shall give up to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and the ones with Him are the called and elect and faithful ones.(Rev 17.11 – 14)
Oh…….ok, there's the one hour… and mentioned several times up to v20…….

I know the bible goes back and forth in the time line like a TV show or movie, BUT, REV18:1 says "
And AFTER these things I saw….etc…" so I'm still not sure that "a little season" is one hour… although 17:12 looks promising…..

either way, 1 hour or a million hours…….it's gonna be
a mess :- /
 
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Morning 49,

Yes, he is confusing isn't he, along with Bowman and Cassian. Here is the actual scripture that they like to refer to:

V1
"When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

Regarding the above, after meeting the righteous requirements of the law, fulfilling it perfectly and paying the penalty for our sins, Christ disarmed the powers of darkness, that is, since the power of sin is the law and Jesus met its righteous requirements, he freed us from the law, basically taking away the powers of darkness ammunition.

Col 2.13 – 15 Satan

και υμας νεκρους οντας τοις παραπτωμασιν και τη ακροβυστια της σαρκος υμων συνεζωοποιησεν υμας συν αυτω χαρισαμενος ημιν παντα τα παραπτωματαεξαλειψας το καθ ημων χειρογραφοντοις δογμασιν ο ην υπεναντιον ημιν και αυτο ηρκεν εκ του μεσου προσηλωσας αυτο τω σταυρωαπεκδυσαμενος τας αρχας και τας εξουσιας εδειγματισεν εν παρρησιαθριαμβευσας αυτους εν αυτω

kai hymas nekrous ontas en tois paraptōmasin kai tē akrobystia tēs sarkos hymōn synezōopoiēsen hymas syn auto charisamenos hemin panta ta paraptōmata exaleipsas to kath' hēmōn cheirographon tois dogmasin ho ēn hypenantion heminkai auto ērken ek tou mesou prosēlōsas auto tō staurō apekdysamenos tas archas kai tas exousias edeigmatisen en parrēsia thriambeusas autos en autō


And you, being deadin the transgressionsand the uncircumcision of your flesh,He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven you all the transgressions, having blotted out the handwritten bondin the decrees against us,which was an adversary to us, andHe has taken him out of the way, having nailed him to the cross; having disarmed the rulers and the powers,He made a show of themin public,triumphing over them in Him.


Here is the rational for this passage pertaining to Satan:


· The closest preceding nominative (subject) word to ‘He has taken him out of the way’ is the word ‘hypenantion’, rendered as ‘adversary’.
· ‘Adversary’ is singular.
· The only other inflection of this word, in the entire NT, is in the plural term ‘hypenantious’ and is used in Heb 10.27 in the context of a fiery judgment for the ‘adversaries’.
· Clearly, the singular ‘hypenantion’ is Satan; and the plural ‘adversaries’ are the demons.
· The singular neuter personal pronoun ‘auto’ which follows it, can, and does, apply to ‘him’.
· Juxtaposed to this is the conquering of evil in in the statements of disarming ‘the rulers and the powers’, which are evil spirits.
· This public display, at The Cross, is referred to using the term ‘thriambeusas’, triumphing, which carries the meaning, ‘I lead one as my prisoner in a triumphant procession’.
· Clearly, and unmistakably, the reader is informed that Satan was bound as a prisoner at The Cross.




Compare to...


2 Thes 2.6 - 7


και νυν το κατεχον οιδατε εις το αποκαλυφθηναι αυτον εν τω αυτου καιρω το γαρ μυστηριον ηδη ενεργειται της ανομιας μονον ο κατεχων αρτι εως εκ μεσου γενηται

kai nyn to katechon iodate eis to apokalyphthēnai auton en tō heautou kairō to gar mystērion ēdē energeitai tēs anomias monon ho katechōn arti heōs ek mesou genētai

And you know that which is binding him for now, to be revealed in his appointed time. For The Hidden, The Lawless is already working, only
he is bound at present, taken out of the way, until he comes out of the midst.


Your rebuttal...?


Zero.
 
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Oh…….ok, there's the one hour… and mentioned several times up to v20…….

I know the bible goes back and forth in the time line like a TV show or movie, BUT, REV18:1 says "
And AFTER these things I saw….etc…" so I'm still not sure that "a little season" is one hour… although 17:12 looks promising…..

either way, 1 hour or a million hours…….it's gonna be
a mess :- /

That's why we can see the dilemma for the literalist....they're stuck.

The same events are repeated over and over again in Revelation using different epithets....the very same as Jesus being referred to by 30+ different names and titles in the same book.

The mind-numbing equivalent logic of literalists would be to pick out ONE of these 30+ names for The Son, and then state that all the other names refer to someone else!!!


Its dumbness stacked atop stupidity.
 
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Now, here is the verse regarding Satan's binding:

V2
"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time."


Correction...

First, you need to proclaim that here is yet ANOTHER verse regarding the binding of Satan.

This is not the only Biblical verse on the topic.

To base your entire theology around one verse is.....well...stupid.....this is what cults and followers of islam do.

Secondly, you need to show some respect - for this is NOT a mere angel in control - this is God The Son - and is best rendered as 'Messenger', as He is in other parts of scripture, amongst numerous other epithets, obviously.

Remember what I just finished calling you literalists-out for pigeon-holing epithets into one word, when, in fact, a plethora of others describe the very same event(s).



Q:

Can you even tell us who cast Satan from Heaven?


You can't even do that...
 

valiant

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Originally Posted by valiant
Not the whole generation. Millions who are now reigning with Him will be gathered up to Him. The remainder will be destroyed as evidence of His reign. They are rebels against the king.
i thought you said He was reigning right now?
It is difficult to discuss with someone who is unable to understand simple concepts. But I will try.

1) He is reigning right now (Acts 2.30, 38; 5.31; Rev 1.5; Rev 5-6; Rom 11.1-6; Rev 20.4-5).;

2)We are reigning with Him (Rev 5.10; Rom 5.17; Eph 2.5-6).

3) The saints in Heaven are ALSO REIGNING WITH HIM (Rev 20.4-5)

4) We will also continue to reign with Him when we are taken 'up' to be with Him.

There! Can you understand that?



Why is His evidence of His reign now revealed now?
It is now revealed in His present appointment of world rulers (Rom 11.1-6);

the opening of the seals from 1st century onwards (Rev 5-6);

His protection of His people (e.g. John 6.37-44; 10.27-29);

His control over our temptation (1 Cor 10.13);

His restriction of Satan and his minions (Mtt 12.28-29; Col 2.15; Eph 6.10-18);

the active presence of the Holy Spirit and the indwelling Christ;

His continual answers to prayer on earth; H

is continual establishment of God's Kingly Rule;

the present defeat of those who oppose Him through the activity of His people (2 Cor 10.4-5),

and so we could go on.

These things would not be possible unless He reigned over the earth.;'

aaaahhhhh because He is not reigning right now. Reread what you just said, which is True, When He comes back to the Earth and gathers the saints, that is when His reign will start on the Earth, and that is when the evidence of that reign will be revealed.
That is NOT what I said. Are you a little dim? TAKE YOUR BLINKERS OFF. His reign over the earth is taking place right now, and we are reigning with Him. We will CONTINUE to reign when we die and join the saints above (Rev 20.4-5)

You say the remainder will be destroyed as evidence of His reign, this is True, so tell me, where is NOW the evidence of His reign? You claim that He is reigning NOW, why no evidence of that, why, even as you testify, that evidence is revealed when He comes and destroys the remainder? explain?
I have just explained. Try reading it properly for a change.
 
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If you will notice V1 says nothing about Satan being bound, but uses the words "disarm" and "Triumph,"


Your assertion is from one failing to study the Greek.

The Greek term is ‘thriambeusas’, triumphing, which carries the meaning, ‘I lead one as
my prisoner in a triumphant procession’.



Also, notice that it is in the Abyss that Satan is being bound, which is a real location.
Nope.

Its a prison for spirits.



In Luke 8:31 the Abyss is the same place that those demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to send them into.
And?

You keep hawking the same lame assertion like it had some great significance.
 

valiant

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DiscipleDave asks


That is because God is going to destroy this Earth, (7 year Tribulation Period)
The Bible knows NOTHING of a seven year tribulation period. That is Darby's invention.


and create a New Earth, one that Jesus will reign over.
Actually NO!!! He will create a new spiritual earth just as Abraham was expecting (Heb 11.10-14) in which both Father and Son will dwell with His resurrected saints in their spiritual bodies (Rev 21.22-23). GOD HIMSELF SHALL BE WITH THEM AND BE THEIR GOD. It will have no connection with this destroyed earth whatsoever, nor will it be physical.

You really are mixed up.

Why would Jesus come and reign over satans world.
This is not Satan's world and never has been. It is the world over which YHWH REIGNS (Psalms 97; 99; etc) and Jesus reigns at His right hand..

God will destroy this world and all of its kingdoms, and He will create a New World, one like unto the Garden of Eden,
Rubbish. You are taking spiritual pictures and debasing them. The new world will be nothing like we know.

this is the World Jesus and His Few Saints will reign over.
You mean His few billion saints? You really are inadequate in your knowledge of Scripture. The new earth will be eternal.

Oh my, are you so lacking understanding of the Scriptures, that you do not understanding that flesh and blood will not enter into the Kingdom of HEAVEN.
Perhaps if you bothered to read Scripture you would get it right. Flesh and blood will not inherit THE KINGDOM OF GOD. In other words flesh and blood will not inherit ANY future kingdom of God.

, there will be flesh and blood upon the Earth even within the Kingly Rule of God on Earth.
Yes God's kingly rule is on earth now and it encompasses flesh and blood beings who have been reborn of the Spirit. There will be no future kingdom inherited by flesh and blood. Paul said so.


Do you even notice how you ADD to the Scriptures. This is what Scriptures teach.

1Co_15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (A reference to Heaven)
It is NOT a reference to Heaven. It is a reference to the future life under God wherever it may be. In context in 1 Cor 15, after the resurrection there will be NO MORE FLESH AND BLOOD.

valiant says "the new earth' where there is no flesh and blood (flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingly rule of God)"

Notice how you have ADDED Kingly Rule of God, this has altogether changed the place which Scriptures speak of, to the Rule of Jesus Christ.
Strictly speaking the New Testament NEVER speaks of the kingdom of God (Heaven). That is a loose translation. The word Basileia never means 'kingdom' as a place, it refers to Kingly Rule over a people.

Kingdom of God is a PLACE,
The word Basileia NEVER means a place.

Kingly Rule of God, is NOT a place but Authority.
Yes and that is what Basileia theou MEANS in EVERY context.


You have altogether changed Scriptures to fit your own belief about the KINGLY RULE of God.
No I have patiently tried to show you what the original Greek MEANS.

Took a verse that was talking about a PLACE and fit it into your own belief about the Kingly Rule of God, do you not see that you have done this thing?
You are so pathetic. Call yourself a prophet, you are a dead loss. Basileia NEVER means a place. It always refers to Kingly Rule

Who has told you it is a Spiritual Heavenly Earth? Scriptures does not teach you that, then who has been telling you these things?
Try Hebrews 11.16; try 1 Cor 15.44, 48-49. Try 1 Cor 15.50. Ty the fact that God Almighty dwells there. (Rev 21.3, 22; 22.5). Try the fact that it has no sea, it has no sun, it has no moon, it has no night. Try Phil 3.21. Try Col 3.4. .

And so we could go on. You have such a mundane mind. You need to be illuminated by the Spirit.


Are you saying whoever controls History is who is reigning today? Are you saying that whoever opens the seven seals is the one who is reigning on Earth Today? Seriously?.
If He was not reigning over the earth He could not control its history.

Jesus Christ right this minute is reigning in HEAVEN, NOT on Earth.
But He is reigning OVER the earth. Scripture makes that quite clear.

The king you manufacture who you say will rule over a millennial earth makes such a mess of it that there is a huge insurrection, mass rape and slaughter, and he is only saved in the end by intervention from Heaven. THAT is not the Jesus Christ I know.

He is preparing a place for us in HEAVEN, He is in HEAVEN on our behalf. Jesus Christ is not reigning as KING of Kings right now.

That's funny. Paul says that He IS right now the king of kings and Lord of Lords (1 Tim 6.15). Acts 2.38 says He is now LORD AND MESSIAH (anointed king).


The Kings of today are evil and wicked. Jesus is NOT the King over them.
That is because all men are evil and wicked. But He has appointed them (Rom 13.1-6). And He IS Ruler over the kings of the earth (Rev 1.5). Why do you IGNORE SCRIPTURE?

True, all things happens because God allows or approves them to happen. When Jesus comes to the Earth and He Truly reigns, as King of Kings on the Earth.
But there is NOT A SINGLE SCRIPTURE that says He will rule as king on earth. It is a fantasy.

All Kings will bow down to Him. Do Kings today bow down to Jesus?
Many kings bow down to Jesus. Our queen bows down to Jesus. And all will do when He manifests His rule in judgment.

NO, because Jesus is NOT their King, as this wicked generation teaches.
If He is not their king then He will have no right to judge them. It is because He is their king that He can judge them.

When Jesus returns to the Earth to reign with His Saints, then all the Kingdoms of the Earth will worship Him, and bow down to Him, because then and ONLY then will He be King of Kings of the Earth.
That is your invention. There is not a single Scripture which says so.


Again your joking right, please tell me you are joking. You actually believe Jesus Christ, the Son of God is the Ruler of all these wicked evil Kings of this Earth? You actually believe that?
Strange as it may seem I DO BELIEVE the Scriptures. I do believe Rev 1.5. I can see that you with your petty twisted mind do not.

Of course He is their ruler. They are all accountable to Him. Some may be in rebellion against Him but it does not mean that He is not their king. It is BECAUSE He is their king that He has the right to judge them,
 
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yes I still think I am reigning on earth. I am 'reigning in life through Christ Jesus' (Rom 5.17). I am seated with Him in the heavenly places and reigning with Him (Eph 2.5-6). I am reigning over known sin. I am exercising mighty powers to bring about Christ's victory in the world (2 Cor 10.4-5). Through my effective prayers I share His reign.

You seem to live a very poor sort of Christian life.:)



LOL Satan is NOT running things. From his restrained position he is simply trying to interfere, and Christ's enemies listen to him. But it is JESUS Who is ruler of the kings of the earth (Rev 1.5). It is GOD who appoints the powers that be (Rom 6.1-6). It is Christ Who since the 1st century AD has been opening the seals which control world history through the centuries (Rev 6)



you simply reveal your own foolishness. If not verse says that He will why should anyone say that He will not. The question is answered by the fact that He is NOW reigning over the earth (Acts 2.30, 36; Rev 1.5)


So Valiant, are you saying YOU DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT THE BIBLE LITERALLY SAYS, because you are more intelligent than those who penned the those INSPIRED words?


1 John 5:19 (NRSV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We know that we are God's children, and that the whole world lies under the power of the evil one.

You mean that does not mean what it says, because you and your teacher are INFALLIBLE; and do not make erroneous interpretations.

CHRIST's earthly reign is in the FUTURE.

Luke 4:5-8 (GW) [SUP]5 [/SUP] The devil took him to a high place and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in an instant.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] The devil said to him, “I will give you all the power and glory of these kingdoms. All of it has been given to me, and I give it to anyone I please.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] So if you will worship me, all this will be yours.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Jesus answered him, “Scripture says, ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve only him.'


WHAT, your wisdom tells you that is another verse that DOES NOT MEAN WHAT IT SAYS?

Acts 13:7-10 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] He was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence, who summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But Elymas the magician (for that is the meaning of his name) opposed them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and said, “You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?


AND you say the Devil was not influencing Elymas?


Ephesians 6:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Put on the full armor of God so that you can stand against the tactics of the Devil.


SO you think that is no big deal, because you do not believe "THE DEVIL" is free to plan strategies against you?
Therefore, you must also think it is a waste of time to put on the FULL ARMOR OF GOD?

AND YOUR CONCEPT OF SPIRITUAL REIGNING, is just plain twisted sick.

IN REALITY, YOU GET TO GET DOWN OFF THE THRONE OF YOUR LIFE AND WILLINGLY OUT OF LOVE GIVE THAT THRONE TO JESUS CHRIST. Until you can do that, you do not KNOW HIM, you only know about Him.
 
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Hello again Ritelec,

The truth of the matter is that, the Scripture does not give an amount of time for that "little time" that Satan is released for, only that the "little time" takes place at the end of the thousand years. Their is absolutely nothing to support that it is 1 hour in length. Its length of time will be for how ever long it takes to deceive Gog and Magog from the four corners of the earth and to have them into march across the breadth of the earth to surround the camp of God's people, the city that he loves, where God will then rain down fire upon them. So, however long that takes.

Take at face value what you are reading, that is, believe the literal sense of what you are reading unless a symbolic interpretation is obvious.

Right here...


And the beast which was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes to perdition. And the ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive authority as kings one hour (mian hōran) with the beast. These have one mind, and their power and authority they shall give up to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and the ones with Him are the called and elect and faithful ones.(Rev 17.11 – 14)


Now...

Either concede that it is symbolic.....or....admit that you have to accept it literally just like you accept the '1K years'...



 
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Colossians: 3. 1. Therefore, if you be risen with Christ, seek the things that are above; where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God:
2. Mind the things that are above, not the things that are upon the earth.
:scarf: many has been blind not knowing what is the soul purposed of this verses
For Christ Jesus tells all the things what to be watch and to observed :yawn:

*who soever says every little things that are upon the earth and adapted it unto
Words of gods were simply a deception of those evil things . ...
1 John: 4. 1. Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

:read: remember this
James: 2. 12. So speak ye, and so do, as being to be judged by the law of liberty.
13. For judgment without mercy to him that hath not done mercy. And mercy exalteth itself above judgment.

:smoke: TO BOUND SOMETHING IS TO RESTRICT IT IN DOING ANYTHING THAT IS
BEYOND ITS POWER :whistle:
1 John: 2. 18. Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that Antichrist cometh, even now there are become many Antichrists: whereby we know that it is the last hour.
19. They went out from us, but they were not of us. For if they had been of us, they would no doubt have remained with us; but that they may be manifest, that they are not all of us.

1 John: 4. 3. And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world.
. ...
15. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God abideth in him, and he in God.

:now: were those antichrist comes from the power of evil or good?
The greatest deception of evil is to reveal itself that it was bound but in reality
Everyone can see what is real and what is not
2 Peter: 3. 8. But of this one thing be not ignorant, my beloved, that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Acts: 17. 31. Because he hath appointed a day wherein he will judge the world in equity, by the man whom he hath appointed; giving faith to all, by raising him up from the dead.
32. And when they had heard of the resurrection of the dead, some indeed mocked, but others said: We will hear thee again concerning this matter.

Look unto your surroundings and tell us that what is happening now in our present time if it answers the question IS THE DEVIL BOUND RIGHT NOW?
LOOKS WHAT IS IN REALITY FOR THE GOD OF TRUTH NEVER LIE
AND SHOWS US WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT :happy:
1 Corinthians: 1. 27. But the foolish things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the wise; and the weak things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the strong.
28. And the base things of the world, and the things that are contemptible, hath God chosen, and things that are not, that he might bring to nought things that are:
29. That no flesh should glory in his sight.

God bless us all always

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The Bible knows NOTHING of a seven year tribulation period. That is Darby's invention.
Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week (3.5 YEARS INTO THE PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL) hewill put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

{QUOTE}
Dan. 9:27a. This verse unveils what will occur in the 70th seven years. This seven-year period will begin after the Rapture of the church (which will consummate God's program in this present Age). The 70th "seven" will continue till the return of Jesus Christ to the earth. Because Jesus said this will be a time of "great distress" (Matt. 24:21), this period is often called the Tribulation.

A significant event that will mark the beginning of this seven-year period is the confirming of a covenant. This covenant will be made with many, that is, with Daniel's people, the nation Israel. "The ruler who will come" (Dan. 9:26) will be this covenant-maker, for that person is the antecedent of the word he in verse 27. As a yet-future ruler he will be the final head of the fourth empire (the little horn of the fourth beast, 7:8).


The covenant he will make will evidently be a peace covenant, in which he will guarantee Israel's safety in the land. This suggests that Israel will be in her land but will be unable to defend herself for she will have lost any support she may have had previously. Therefore she will need and welcome the peacemaking role of this head of the confederation of 10 European (Roman) nations. In offering this covenant, this ruler will pose as a prince of peace, and Israel will accept his authority. But then in the middle of that "seven," after three and one-half years, he will break the covenant. According to 11:45, he will then move from Europe into the land of Israel.


This ruler will end... sacrifice and offering. This expression refers to the entire Levitical system, which suggests that Israel will have restored that system in the first half of the 70th "seven." After this ruler gains worldwide political power, he will assume power in the religious realm as well and will cause the world to worship him (2 Thes. 2:4; Rev. 13:8). To receive such worship, he will terminate all organized religions. Posing as the world's rightful king and god and as Israel's prince of peace, he will then turn against Israel and become her destroyer and defiler.

Dan. 9:27b. Daniel was told that "the ruler who will come" (v. 26) will place abominations on a wing of the temple. Christ referred to this incident: "You [will] see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation" (Matt. 24:15). John wrote that the false prophet will set up an image to this ruler and that the world will be compelled to worship it (Rev. 13:14-15). But then his end will come (the end that is decreed is poured out on him). With his false prophet he will be cast into the lake of fire when Christ returns to the earth (Rev. 19:20; cf. Dan. 7:11, 26).


This covenant could not have been made or confirmed by Christ at His First Advent, as amillenarians teach, because: (a) His ministry did not last seven years, (b) His death did not stop sacrifices and offerings, (c) He did not set up "the abomination that causes desolation" (Matt. 24:15). Amillenarians suggest that Christ confirmed (in the sense of fulfilling) the Abrahamic Covenant but the Gospels give no indication He did that in His First Advent.


As stated, the Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel at the beginning of the second half of the 70th "seven," that is, it will be broken for three and one-half years. This is called "a time, times, and half a time" (Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 12:14). The fact that this is the same as the three and one-half years, which in turn are equated with 1,260 days (Rev. 11:3; 12:6) and with 42 months (Rev. 11:2; 13:5), means that in Jewish reckoning each month has 30 days and each year 360 days. This confirms the 360-day Jewish year used in the calculations in the chart, "The 483 Years in the Jewish and Gregorian Calendars" (near Dan. 9:26a). Since the events in the 69 sevens (vv. 24-26) were fulfilled literally, the 70th "seven," yet unfulfilled, must likewise be fulfilled literally.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.
{END QUOTE}

Revelation 12:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And she (ISRAEL) gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child(JESUS CHRIST) was caught up to God and to His throne.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Then the woman (ISRAEL) fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days (3.5 YEARS).

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12:5 a male Child. Jesus Christ in His Incarnation was of Jewish descent (Matt. 1:1; 2 Tim. 2:8). Despite Satan’s efforts to destroy Israel and the messianic line, Jesus’ birth took place as predicted by the prophets (cf. Isa. 7:14; 9:6; Mic. 5:2). rod of iron. This describes Jesus’ coronation as King over the nations of the world (cf. 11:15; 19:15; Ps. 2:6-9). her Child was caught up to God. Christ’s Ascension is in view (Acts 1:9; 2:33; Heb. 1:1-3; 12:2).
12:6 wilderness. God will protect Israel from Satan by hiding her in the wilderness, perhaps in the regions of Moab, Ammon, and Edom, east of Palestine. Interestingly, those countries will be specifically spared from the Antichrist’s attack against the Holy Land (cf. Dan. 11:41). one thousand two hundred and sixty days. At the mid-point of the Tribulation, the Antichrist breaks his covenant with Israel, puts a stop to temple worship, sets up the abomination of desolation (Dan. 9:27; Matt. 24:15), and devastates Jerusalem (11:2). At that time, many Jews flee for their lives (Matt. 24:16ff.). God will preserve them during the last 1,260 days (forty-two months; three and one-half years) constituting the Great Tribulation. See notes on 3:10; 6:1, 9.

The MacArthur Bible Commentary.
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But there is NOT A SINGLE SCRIPTURE that says He will rule as king on earth. It is a fantasy.
Zechariah 14:1-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city. (Antichrist's Seven Year Covenant Treaty with ISRAEL Expires, which he actually broke at the mid point of the Covenant.)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.


AND ONCE AGAIN YOU REJECT WHAT THE BIBLE ACTUALLY SAYS, WHILE WE LITERALLY BELIEVE IT.

NO, I am not trying convince YOU. I am protecting the Lambs from a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Acts 20:28-31 (NRSV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] I know that after I have gone, savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Some even from your own group will come distorting the truth in order to entice the disciples to follow them.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to warn everyone with tears.
 
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Daniel 9:27 (HCSB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week (3.5 YEARS INTO THE PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL) hewill put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

{QUOTE}
Dan. 9:27a. This verse unveils what will occur in the 70th seven years. This seven-year period will begin after the Rapture of the church (which will consummate God's program in this present Age). The 70th "seven" will continue till the return of Jesus Christ to the earth. Because Jesus said this will be a time of "great distress" (Matt. 24:21), this period is often called the Tribulation.

A significant event that will mark the beginning of this seven-year period is the confirming of a covenant. This covenant will be made with many, that is, with Daniel's people, the nation Israel. "The ruler who will come" (Dan. 9:26) will be this covenant-maker, for that person is the antecedent of the word he in verse 27. As a yet-future ruler he will be the final head of the fourth empire (the little horn of the fourth beast, 7:8).


The covenant he will make will evidently be a peace covenant, in which he will guarantee Israel's safety in the land. This suggests that Israel will be in her land but will be unable to defend herself for she will have lost any support she may have had previously. Therefore she will need and welcome the peacemaking role of this head of the confederation of 10 European (Roman) nations. In offering this covenant, this ruler will pose as a prince of peace, and Israel will accept his authority. But then in the middle of that "seven," after three and one-half years, he will break the covenant. According to 11:45, he will then move from Europe into the land of Israel.


This ruler will end... sacrifice and offering. This expression refers to the entire Levitical system, which suggests that Israel will have restored that system in the first half of the 70th "seven." After this ruler gains worldwide political power, he will assume power in the religious realm as well and will cause the world to worship him (2 Thes. 2:4; Rev. 13:8). To receive such worship, he will terminate all organized religions. Posing as the world's rightful king and god and as Israel's prince of peace, he will then turn against Israel and become her destroyer and defiler.

Dan. 9:27b. Daniel was told that "the ruler who will come" (v. 26) will place abominations on a wing of the temple. Christ referred to this incident: "You [will] see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation" (Matt. 24:15). John wrote that the false prophet will set up an image to this ruler and that the world will be compelled to worship it (Rev. 13:14-15). But then his end will come (the end that is decreed is poured out on him). With his false prophet he will be cast into the lake of fire when Christ returns to the earth (Rev. 19:20; cf. Dan. 7:11, 26).


This covenant could not have been made or confirmed by Christ at His First Advent, as amillenarians teach, because: (a) His ministry did not last seven years, (b) His death did not stop sacrifices and offerings, (c) He did not set up "the abomination that causes desolation" (Matt. 24:15). Amillenarians suggest that Christ confirmed (in the sense of fulfilling) the Abrahamic Covenant but the Gospels give no indication He did that in His First Advent.


As stated, the Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel at the beginning of the second half of the 70th "seven," that is, it will be broken for three and one-half years. This is called "a time, times, and half a time" (Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 12:14). The fact that this is the same as the three and one-half years, which in turn are equated with 1,260 days (Rev. 11:3; 12:6) and with 42 months (Rev. 11:2; 13:5), means that in Jewish reckoning each month has 30 days and each year 360 days. This confirms the 360-day Jewish year used in the calculations in the chart, "The 483 Years in the Jewish and Gregorian Calendars" (near Dan. 9:26a). Since the events in the 69 sevens (vv. 24-26) were fulfilled literally, the 70th "seven," yet unfulfilled, must likewise be fulfilled literally.

The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.
{END QUOTE}

Revelation 12:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And she (ISRAEL) gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child(JESUS CHRIST) was caught up to God and to His throne.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Then the woman (ISRAEL) fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days (3.5 YEARS).

{QUOTE}
12:5 a male Child. Jesus Christ in His Incarnation was of Jewish descent (Matt. 1:1; 2 Tim. 2:8). Despite Satan’s efforts to destroy Israel and the messianic line, Jesus’ birth took place as predicted by the prophets (cf. Isa. 7:14; 9:6; Mic. 5:2). rod of iron. This describes Jesus’ coronation as King over the nations of the world (cf. 11:15; 19:15; Ps. 2:6-9). her Child was caught up to God. Christ’s Ascension is in view (Acts 1:9; 2:33; Heb. 1:1-3; 12:2).
12:6 wilderness. God will protect Israel from Satan by hiding her in the wilderness, perhaps in the regions of Moab, Ammon, and Edom, east of Palestine. Interestingly, those countries will be specifically spared from the Antichrist’s attack against the Holy Land (cf. Dan. 11:41). one thousand two hundred and sixty days. At the mid-point of the Tribulation, the Antichrist breaks his covenant with Israel, puts a stop to temple worship, sets up the abomination of desolation (Dan. 9:27; Matt. 24:15), and devastates Jerusalem (11:2). At that time, many Jews flee for their lives (Matt. 24:16ff.). God will preserve them during the last 1,260 days (forty-two months; three and one-half years) constituting the Great Tribulation. See notes on 3:10; 6:1, 9.

The MacArthur Bible Commentary.
{END QUOTE}




Zechariah 14:1-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city. (Antichrist's Seven Year Covenant Treaty with ISRAEL Expires, which he actually broke at the mid point of the Covenant.)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.


AND ONCE AGAIN YOU REJECT WHAT THE BIBLE ACTUALLY SAYS, WHILE WE LITERALLY BELIEVE IT.

NO, I am not trying convince YOU. I am protecting the Lambs from a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Acts 20:28-31 (NRSV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Keep watch over yourselves and over all the flock, of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] I know that after I have gone, savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Some even from your own group will come distorting the truth in order to entice the disciples to follow them.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to warn everyone with tears.
:rofl: and he even misunderstood that the bible was made by Darby :haha:

:scarf: sad to say by he/she they is/are not a member of orthodox church as he said before
What a liar tsk tsk tsk

God forgive them and renew their grace and faith before its not to late . ...
 
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