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seoulsearch

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Yes I noticed that, with some trepidation. You are welcome to join me in my fox hole. I have cable and all the snacks I need.
You had me at "snacks".
 

melita916

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someone said snacks, and now i'm here.
 

epostle

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Consider the following statements:

A) You are an idiot.
That is an attack on the person.

B) That statement is idiotic.
That is an attack on the statement, not the person.

It's important to make these distinctions when composing or reading posts. Rebutting statements is what makes forums fun.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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I think you and I both win the opportunity to "ride with Jesus" in a great evangelical "army" (Meaning, "force striving for...") to preach one final plea to the lost nations with "the sword coming out of Jesus' mouth"..... (the gospel of the kingdom, NOT a weapon of forged steel for murdering) in the hopes that through the true love we feel for them, they will listen now that they are really witnessing the very last minutes, and accept the word (that sword) that Jesus is speaking.

What about those who take up the mark?
 
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What about those who take up the mark?
And what about left-handed people, or people who have three moles on their shoulder?

Yeah.... those have about as much to do with people claiming they love their enemies yet hoping to see them suffer, as worrying about some "mark" does.

Is Seoulsearch the only person who understands staying focused on one subject at a time?
 

Ahwatukee

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What about those who take up the mark?
As you I am sure that you know Yeraza by your question, that those who receive the mark cannot be saved once they do that. And I would also like to point out that the double-edged sword is not a call to repentance for those at the last minute at Armegeddon, for the time for repentance at that time is past. But it is with that double-edged sword, which is the spoken word of God, that those who will have been gathered there will be killed with.
 
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Mitspa

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Why is this kind of commentary acceptable for Christian discourse? It's not addressing a topic, it's attacking a person. Who is or isn't allowed on this site is above our paygrade. If someone has a question about someone's presence on the site, they should go to a mod or RoboOp and deal with it in that way. There is no need to name-call, shame, or berate people simply because we dislike their worldview.
Oh that's right we can only challenge those who are honest and believe the bible ...I forgot the rule that only the godly can really be challenged about their motives ....
 
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Mitspa

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I dont know what some people would do if the sat under the likes of Billy Sunday! They'd implode.
Probably cry a lot and report him to Obama and Hillary.
 

Nautilus

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Well another thread ruined by mitspa. Not surprising.
 
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Mitspa

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Yes! As my pastor stresses, unity, not uniformity. As long as you're walking with Christ and bearing fruit, the rest is window dressing.
As your brothers and sisters, it's our job to encourage you in the faith, not to brow beat you into changing your opinions about other things.
Yep promoting abortion and gay marriage in our society is just wonderful fruit...is that your point?

As the Lord said...you shall know a tree by its fruit ..if a tree brings forth evil fruit...you know its not a tree God planted.
 
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Mitspa

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Clearly you don't know what a "straw man" is. A straw man argument is when you mischaracterize someones argument and then tear down that false argument, instead of your opponents actual position.
Yes that's what you did :)
 

Ahwatukee

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And what about left-handed people, or people who have three moles on their shoulder?

Yeah.... those have about as much to do with people claiming they love their enemies yet hoping to see them suffer, as worrying about some "mark" does.

Is Seoulsearch the only person who understands staying focused on one subject at a time?
I don't know about left-handed people or those who have moles, but here is a scriptural reminder of what it means for those during that time who receive the literal mark of the beast on their hands or foreheads, which without no one will be able to buy or sell:

"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: 'If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.' "

The coming mark, that is, that sub-dermal device that is going to replace the card, will be required during the time of the beast, as it will be the only way of electronically crediting and debiting a persons bank account and thereby "forcing" the inhabitants of the earth to receive it. Those who receive it will be those who names that were not written in the book of life before the world began. This is not symbolism Willie, as we already have people in Sweden and elsewhere being implanted with chips under the skin of the hand. This technology will continue to evolve leading up to the time of that antichrist, where it will replace card swiping. We already have the next phase of electronic crediting and debiting with Sam Sung Pay, where instead of a person getting their card out, they merely bring up their bank application on their phone and hold it next to the VeriFone device where you would normally swipe your card and it performs the same function.

These technologies are all in preparation for that coming mark. By the way, regarding left-handed people, that device will most likely be implanted in the right hand or forehead.
 
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Oh that's right we can only challenge those who are honest and believe the bible ...I forgot the rule that only the godly can really be challenged about their motives ....

And again...this is a complete misrepresentation of what was said. I made zero statements about who should and shouldn't be challenged. I simply pointed out that name-calling, etc. is inappropriate and unnecessary. It actually is possible to express a view on a topic without going after someone's personhood.

Additionally, why is it the job of any of us to challenge someone's presence on the site? The only reason we would feel the need to do so is if we had a corresponding sense that we were somehow in charge. It's a little bit like me getting out of my car to "challenge" a fellow driver for speeding. I may be right about them speeding, but it's not my job. I have no authority. If you truly feel like someone is on the site inappropriately, "challenging" them on the boards is non-productive. You should send a message to a mod or to RoboOp and let them handle it.

The board was about a TOPIC not a person. It's illogical and over-emotional to go off on a person instead of addressing a topic. It can also (eventually) devolve into bullying, where the goal is to simply shut the person up by any means necessary.

If someone is unable to maintain Christian ethics in the face of contradictory opinions, then maybe opt out.
 
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Mitspa

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And again...this is a complete misrepresentation of what was said. I made zero statements about who should and shouldn't be challenged. I simply pointed out that name-calling, etc. is inappropriate and unnecessary. It actually is possible to express a view on an opinion without going after someone's personhood.

Additionally, why is it the job of any of us to challenge someone's presence on the site? The only reason we would feel the need to do so is if we had a corresponding sense that we were somehow in charge. It's a little bit like me getting out of my car to "challenge" a fellow driver for speeding. I may be right about them speeding, but it's not my job. I have no authority. If you truly feel like someone is on the site inappropriately, "challenging" them on the boards is non-productive. You should send a message to a mod or to RoboOp and let them handle it.

The board was about a TOPIC not a person. It's illogical and over-emotional to go off on a person instead of addressing a topic. It can also (eventually) devolve into bullying, where the goal is to simply shut the person up by any means necessary.

If someone is unable to maintain Christian ethics in the face of contradictory opinions, then maybe opt out.
Lady there is another thread active right now where several women are questioning if a member is the same as one that got tossed off ...that thread the women is suggesting that the wife should submit to the husband...I know you know the thread...go jump on the people you agree with and then come back and I will respond to your post here :) As far as I know your not a Mod here and your welcome to use the report button if you think I have crossed the line of "ethics" ...I would like the mods to kinda check this PhD person out anyway :)
 
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And again...this is a complete misrepresentation of what was said. I made zero statements about who should and shouldn't be challenged. I simply pointed out that name-calling, etc. is inappropriate and unnecessary. It actually is possible to express a view on a topic without going after someone's personhood.

Additionally, why is it the job of any of us to challenge someone's presence on the site? The only reason we would feel the need to do so is if we had a corresponding sense that we were somehow in charge. It's a little bit like me getting out of my car to "challenge" a fellow driver for speeding. I may be right about them speeding, but it's not my job. I have no authority. If you truly feel like someone is on the site inappropriately, "challenging" them on the boards is non-productive. You should send a message to a mod or to RoboOp and let them handle it.



The board was about a TOPIC not a person. It's illogical and over-emotional to go off on a person instead of addressing a topic.

According to your own words I am correct in asking you over and over again to explain how your being baptized as a baby lines up with Romans 10:9-10. But yet, you wont answer me!!! Why? Ive asked you many times and Im pretty sure it was always on the threads protesting against the false catholic antichrist faith.So it was certainly relevant wasnt it?

It can also (eventually) devolve into bullying, where the goal is to simply shut the person up by any means necessary.
You need to practice what you preach!!
I actually think that it is you that is doing the bullying with me. Your lack of charity to answer me and your ignoring me countless times shows lack of love and respect!!
Id like you to understand that your "saved statement does not align with Gods word. You certainly arent lax with your opinions on everything else so why wont you explain what Ive asked of you? Keep in mind vain philosophy will not suffice. You will need to use the word of God as your guide, of course.


If someone is unable to maintain Christian ethics in the face of contradictory opinions, then maybe opt out.

Ive been ethical. I have strictly adhered to Gods word. I havent called you names. I havent said you are not saved . Why wont you answer my question? Its quite obvious to all who are reading my never ending requests of you, that you are running from my question and neglecting to properly represent Gods word.

1Peter 3:15

14But even if you should suffer for the sake of righteousness, you are blessed. AND DO NOT FEAR THEIR INTIMIDATION, AND DO NOT BE TROUBLED, 15but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; 16and keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ will be put to shame.…


2 Timothy 4:1-3
1I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: 2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,…


Give an account here and now!!

 
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The bible is clearly using poetic license to indicate God knows you will be born before you are even conceived. Do you really believe that an embryo is capable of hearing a human voice and physically back flipping in her moms womb? If these verses, which do not talk about abortion whatsoever are the best you can come up with then you have failed to make your case.

Saying "I think it's wrong and therefore I don't think the bible is silent on the issue" is a total non-sequitur of an argument. How does you thinking something is wrong logically conclude the bible also says it is wrong?

All I am saying is don't confuse your own personal views with biblical views because you are speaking for God on that which he chose to remain silent.
Quote "Do you really believe that an embryo is capable of hearing a human voice and physically back flipping in her moms womb? "

Yes I do,the baby leapt with joy.I believe what it says. Of course I cant find a verse on "abortion" because no one knew what that word meant. The Bible says "the fruit of the womb is a blessing". In the OT a woman was considered cursed if she was barren. God takes life very seriously.

Isaiah 49:1. "The LORD called Me from the womb; From the body of My mother He named Me."

[h=1]Psalm 139:13.For you created my inmost being;you knit me together[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][/FONT] in my mother’s womb.

If God knits us together or forms us what make you think He be ok with us destroying His creation?

It is a scientifically certain fact that the event of conception (or, perhaps more narrowly, fertilization) is the first event in the history of the human being. Prior to conception, what exists are a mother’s egg and a father’s sperm. When fertilization is complete a new human being is brought into existence that is genetically distinct from the mother and father and that exists as a distinct entity. Therefore, from the moment of conception what exists is a human being with potential for growth and full realization.. from Reasons to Believe.[/h]Given that the unborn are human beings from the moment of conception, it follows directly that killing them for any reason other than in an attempt to save someone else’s life (that is, the mother’s life) is forbidden by the sixth commandment. It is unnecessary to prove that the unborn are “persons” in order to claim that their lives ought to be protected by law. The only thing needed is to point out that they are human beings. Let those who would defend abortion as a legal right say, if they can (and if they dare), that it is permissible to kill some innocent human beings.

God is not silent about abortion,its murder,its wrong.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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And what about left-handed people, or people who have three moles on their shoulder?

Yeah.... those have about as much to do with people claiming they love their enemies yet hoping to see them suffer, as worrying about some "mark" does.

Is Seoulsearch the only person who understands staying focused on one subject at a time?

Man, youre really good at putting words in my mouth while avoiding biblical questions : /
 
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