Hello PeterJens. Couldn't agree more. Behavior and actions DO matter. As well as words and ideas that are encouraged.
So, if the hyper grace crowd believes that they can live any type lifestyle that they desire and still not go to hell for it then where is your evidence? You accuse Willie-T, Grace 777x70, ember, PennED, coby and others of believing this. And that if people believe this then they cannot but help live immoral, sin-filled, "live for the devil" lives then are you prepared to make a 'BIBLICAL' charge/accusation against any of them, right here, right now? If not, why not? According to your theory they should be unable to restrain themselves given their horrible belief system.
So either their belief in this causes them to sin prodigiously, and at will, or you need to explain to me why believing this way is not producing the expected results in their lives that you claim is the sole motivation for all these warnings. Are you prepared to make the accusation that their fruit is bad?
Evidence. Where is your evidence??
It's evident in the teachings they are promoting. The teachers they are promoting. Their complete denial of scriptures condemning the teachings they follow. Discernment is a dying art. The fact that they defend known heretics is evidence against them. Examine the teachings behind the teachers. Many of us here have. And I'm not talking about watching videos we are accused of posting taking "their words out of context". We have watched full sermons and examined them exhaustively. I can at least speak for myself on this matter. They deny sin nature. They deny repentance. They redefine words like repentance and grace. They don't teach a biblical gospel. They promote carnality (health, wealth, power). I was watching a sermon from Prince the other day where he said "don't worry about that sin, put your faith in grace". They have created an idol out of grace and deny explicit warnings of false teachers. Most of the names you listed have publicly DENIED the existence of false teachers and false prophets.
Here we have undeniable evidence of blasphemies and heresies coming from the mouths of known heretics and these guys come on here and will defend them to the death if need be. They group them in with the brothers and sisters in Christ and they are not brothers and sisters (speaking of their leadership and not anyone here personally who may be in error). What has plagued modern Christianity is defended by people here like they are some new kind of prophets or apostles when they are nothing more than liars and thieves perverting the Gospel of Christ. They have flooded the forums with their teachings lately in a cult like fashion and someone has to stand up against it and defend
the faith delivered once and for all.
Some known heresies being promoted here either directly or indirectly and being vehemently defended (failing to define these as heresies when asked plainly if they are heresies is as good as defending them):
Little gods doctrine
Health and wealth gospel
Spiritual death of Christ
Christ first born again man
Christ was created and then became divine later on
A gospel devoid of repentance
Excessive idolization of signs and wonders
A form of the 4th century Pelagian heresy
Sinless perfection
Excessive application of aberrant behavior to the Holy Spirit
We become Christ after salvation seated at the right hand of God
And on and on it goes
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And to top it off, those of us who oppose these obvious heresies promoted by the leaders of these groups, we are called legalistic, are told we have "religious spirits", are demonic, are working by the spirit of antichrist, and are met with a lot of conjecture, unfounded accusation that aren't backed by evidences, and are insulted for merely pointing out these heresies to those who may not know about them.