CONDEMNATION IS THE ROOT CAUSE

[Grace777x70]

That doesn't make sense.


You say sorry because you want forgiveness.


Only difference is that God with His love and grace forgives us,while it's more uncertain if people will be so,loving.

Knowing that we are forgiven people in Christ does not make us want to go out and sin - it has the complete opposite effect. We fall deeper in love with the love and grace of our Lord.

Jesus said - he that is forgiven much, loves much. The revelation of forgiveness in Christ because of His blood and love for us releases His life inside of us to walk righteously as it is our true nature in Him now.

 

[gb9]

If you read 1 Jn 1: 8--10, through to 1 Jn 2: 1, you'll see that John was writing to believers.
The Bible wasn't written in chapter and verse, the translators put them in for clarification.

1 Jn 2: 12, isn't just the perfect tense, That's the mistake J Prince made when he deceived the people.
The Greek uses all the tenses, meaning, Past repented sins have been forgiven, and present & future repented sins will be forgiven.

There's a lot of people being deceived by your false grace teachings.
PS, Paul and Jesus talks about repenting.

I would love for someone to explain what " false grace " means. does it mean it insults a works-based, I have to add something to Christ's work, that mindset??

 

[JennaLeanne]

Confessing sins, means, Agreeing with God that we have sinned, See 1 Jn 1: 8, & v10. And confessing that we have sinned.
See 1 Jn 1: 9.
You false grace teachers won't accept any Bible scriptures that prove you wrong, so you deceive people by saying we don't have to confess our sins.

Of course we confess our sins.. Like I said before we confess and receive forgiveness.. How else are we Christians but by receiving the forgiveness of sins ?? It doesn't make sense. Please study the reason behind the letter here and then u will see it in its context.

This kind of doctrine is teaching that everytime we sin we have lost our salvation again until we repent.. Like Grace quoted before. If u get angry at your wife and then go to bed on your anger and die in your sleep are you going to hell because u didn't get chance to ask God to forgive you... It's a ridiculous unbiblical doctrine.

Jesus died for the sins of the world. Past present and future.. he is the ultimate sacrifice.. We do not need to do anything but receive this truth and live in it.. Only then do we really live free from sin.

 

[God4me]

My goodness......here is the greek for 1 John 2:12....it is definitely the perfect tense but you can believe what ever you want. I could tell you that Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation but I would hope someone would ask for scripture.

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apheōntai
ἀφέωνται
have been forgiven
V-RIM/P-3P =

Part of Speech: Verb

Tense: Perfect
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Where does Paul say for us to confess our sins "in order to be forgiven " if it is so important ?

I believe is confessing sins and talking about everything to the Lord but not "in order to receive forgiveness ". I'm a believer in what Christ has done for us in His perfect work - especially His blood taking away all sin.

You are a typical false grace teacher, Only quoting the scriptures and the Greek that you want to, and Not quoting the whole Greek meanings.
I have told you what the Greek means, but I can't make you believe it.

 

[JennaLeanne]

You are a typical false grace teacher, Only quoting the scriptures and the Greek that you want to, and Not quoting the whole Greek meanings.
I have told you what the Greek means, but I can't make you believe it.

Neither can we make u believe you are free... If you want to live by your own self righteousness then so be it.. Me, I'm choosing to live in the freedom that was brought for me.. I pray u would know the length, breadth height and depth of his love for you xx

 

[Grace777x70]

You are a typical false grace teacher, Only quoting the scriptures and the Greek that you want to, and Not quoting the whole Greek meanings.
I have told you what the Greek means, but I can't make you believe it.

okie dokie......I still think the perfect tense is still the perfect tense in Greek no matter how much people may want to change it......

But we are free to believe anything that they choose...and everyone is a false teacher if they believe something different then what "we" do.

Did you know there are websites saying that the apostle Paul was a false teacher because he "conflicted" with the words of Jesus?..I kid you not!


We can also agree to disagree in some areas too. Do you believe the blood of Jesus took away our sin? I do too...see... there are things we agree on... ...God bless you!

 

[God4me]

I would love for someone to explain what " false grace " means. does it mean it insults a works-based, I have to add something to Christ's work, that mindset??

False grace teachers say we don't have to repent of sins, and we don't have to confess sins.
They say they can live how they want to, because all their sins have been forgiven, so they can sin and not repent, because grace covers every sin that they do.

It gives them the licence to sin.
They come against living holy, as they say it's a work and putting oneself back under the law.

But God says, Repentance and remission of sins.

 

[God4me]

Neither can we make u believe you are free... If you want to live by your own self righteousness then so be it.. Me, I'm choosing to live in the freedom that was brought for me.. I pray u would know the length, breadth height and depth of his love for you xx

Unlike you false grace teachers, I'm forgiven, holy and free.
Whereas you are un-forgiven, unholy and only think you are free.

 

[Grace777x70]

False grace teachers say we don't have to repent of sins, and we don't have to confess sins.
They say they can live how they want to, because all their sins have been forgiven, so they can sin and not repent, because grace covers every sin that they do.

It gives them the licence to sin.
They come against living holy, as they say it's a work and putting oneself back under the law.

But God says, Repentance and remission of sins.

Complete nonsense! Here is what grace believers in Christ say "in real life"...

Is Hyper-Grace “dangerous” or “imbalanced”?

Author: Jeremy White/Thursday, August 21, 2014/Categories: Jeremy White, Top Picks


Introduction:

In recent times, a label has surfaced regarding what some view as a “dangerous” or “imbalanced” teaching of the grace of God. “Hyper-Grace” is now a term being used to suggest that there are some folks (such as myself) who “take God’s grace too far” and in so doing either ignore or minimize other significant teachings of the Bible.

What follows is an attempt to address a few of the most common “warnings” some have offered regarding those of us who make much of the finished work of Christ.

Objection #1: The Hyper-Grace Gospel is Unbiblical

For starters, you may be shocked to discover that “hyper-grace” is really the only adequate description for grace in the first place, according to the Bible. For example, when Paul wrote in Romans 5:20 that “…where sin increased, grace increased all the more” he was literally referring to God’s grace as “hyper.”

The Greek term for the phrase “increased all the more” (NIV) is huper-perisseuo which literally means “super-abounded.” Hyper is simply a transliteration of the prefix “huper” in Greek and means “above and beyond” in scope or quality. The term “perisseuo” refers to that which is “in far excess of what might be expected, superfluous or gratuitous.”

So in Paul’s description of God’s amazing grace, he is literally saying that because of the abundance of sin in this world, God’s grace has super-abounded in order to rescue us from sin! Paul literally describes God’s grace as HYPER in this passage. It is super-abundant and unfathomably plentiful and powerful. In fact, a few verses later Paul would state that the very reason sin is no longer our master is because we are no longer under law, but under this hyper-abounding grace (Rom. 6:14)!

If this is what one means by “hyper-grace,” then count me in as one of the “grace-heretics!” It is a label that was applied to both Paul and Jesus by the Pharisees of their day, so I am more than happy to wear it in ours. As the late scholar D. Martin Lloyd-Jones famously pointed out (andthis is my paraphrase), "If people do not sometimes misunderstand and falsely accuse you of being soft-on-sin or against God’s law, you are not preaching the real gospel!"


Objection #2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Soft on Sin

This is a common one, of course. The idea here is that because of our high esteem of the finished work of Christ and our insistence upon keeping our eyes fixated on Jesus as Author and Finisher of our faith (Heb. 12:2), we are either afraid to preach against sin or do not take sin seriously enough.

Far from being “soft on sin” – we who preach grace are extremely big on Jesus. Any gospel worthy of the hyper-grace label is a gospel which points all fingers toward Jesus rather than judgmentally pointing them at those He came to save.

There are definitely many contexts in which it is appropriate to talk about sin, warn about sin and preach against sin. I do this routinely in my preaching ministry, as do my friends who are also labeled as hyper-grace preachers. Sin is bad. It is ugly. It brings death to everything it touches. It grieves God. It makes us miserable. It comes with a variety of consequences.

No legitimate grace-preacher that I am aware of minimizes the reality that sin is evil, wrong, bad, unproductive and unfitting for a new creation in Christ. What we DO focus on, however, is the Answer to sin, which is Jesus – and the fact that His grace alone is precisely what delivers us from its penalty (death), its power (enslavement) and eventually even its very presence (when we live in the fullness of His heavenly kingdom one day).

I talk about sin all the time, but not as a means of manipulating, judging or condemning people. I talk about sin so as to help people understand both their daily and eternal need for Jesus as Savior and Lord. We hyper-grace preachers are simply standing with Paul on the promise that it is the grace of God which “teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, and to live soberly, righteously and godly in the present age…” (Titus 2:11-13).

Paul taught that the power of sin is the law (1 Cor. 15:56). If a person wants to ensure that they will remain in slavery to life-dominating sin and addiction, one simple way to do that is to live under a law-based mentality. A grace-saturated life, however, frees us from the grip of sin’s mastery over us. Far from being soft on sin, we take sin very seriously. So seriously that we are pointing people unapologetically to the only Source of rescue from it! That Source is not trying harder to be a good person, culturally-espoused self-help tactics or pop-psychology.

That Source is Jesus Christ and the grace He alone offers.


Objection #3: Hyper-Grace Preachers Don’t Believe in Repentance

Not only do webelieve in repentance, but we seek to understand and teach it thoroughly and accurately. In the New Testament, “to repent” is a translation of the Greek verb “metanoeo” meaning “to change one’s mind or perspective.” Obviously, when we receive Christ, we have repented in the genuine sense of the term – changing our minds about our need of a Savior and receiving Christ.

Before Christ, we lived as self-sufficiently as possible, thinking that God would probably grade on a curve and accept us at least partly on the basis of our own best efforts and self-generated goodness. When we came to understand our spiritual bankruptcy and our desperate need for Christ’s forgiveness and new life, we repented (had a change of perspective) and received Christ by trusting in Him alone to rescue us.

Beyond this initial experience of “getting saved” (as we often call it), repentance is a daily lifestyle in which an ongoing “renewal of the mind” process is taking place within us. As we grow in faith and in our understanding of God through His Word and our union with His Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6:17), we begin to replace old thinking with new thinking and false thinking with true thinking. This renewal of the mind (Rom. 12:1-3) is an integral part of the transformative process of the Spirit’s work in our lives. This is the essence of a lifestyle of repentance – taking false thoughts captive, making them obedient to (in conformity with) Christ (2 Cor. 10:5).

Paul affirmed in no uncertain terms that God’s kindness (His expressed grace toward us) is what leads to repentance (Rom. 2:4). Far from being anti-repentance, hyper-grace theology affirms repentance and the ongoing renewal of the mind as an integral part of what it means to follow Jesus under His New Covenant.


Objection #4: Hyper-Grace Preachers Are Against Confession of Sin

This is one of the most common misrepresentations of hyper-grace theology. The Biblical term “to confess” simply means “to speak the same thing as” or “to agree with.” We teach that confession is important because we should yield our minds to agreement with God about everything He reveals – including, but not limited to, sin.

What we often also teach (and this is where the rub is with some people) is that confession is not about triggering any transaction between us and God that would issue forth more forgiveness, as though God were dispensing forgiveness in various doses based upon our confessions. Forgiveness of sin is something that was provided objectively ONE time by ONE act of grace through ONE Savior who shed His blood on the cross for us 2000 years ago. As the book of Hebrews repeatedly emphasizes, He is the “once for all” sacrifice for sin.

Confession of sin then, is about humility and walking in agreement with God – not about getting more forgiveness from Him. Some will suggest that God’s forgiveness is dispensed using a “two-tiered” approach. On one level, they say, God has forgiven our sins judicially and objectively through the cross. On the second tier, however, we need to confess our sins in order to receive “relational” or“experiential” forgiveness in order to maintain close fellowship with God.

This two-tiered approach is nowhere taught in the New Testament, and has only been popularized because of two basic levels of rationale. The first is based upon a misinterpretation of two passages in the New Testament, both of which have been clearly explained in books and sermons by a host of solid gospel teachers. These two passages are Matthew 6:12 (where Jesus appears to be commanding His followers to ask for God’s forgiveness) and 1 John 1:9 (which seems to link forgiveness to confession of sin).

In my book “The Gospel Uncut: Learning to Rest in the Grace of God” I deal with these passages quite clearly, as do other authors such as Bob George, Andrew Farley, Ralph Harris, Paul Ellis, Cathy Hildebrand and Andrew Nelson. I encourage you to investigate these writings for yourself in order to understand the context in which these passages were intended to be understood.

The bottom-line is this. We hyper-grace preachers DO value confession of sin. We also practice confession of sin in our own lives. However, we understand confession to be about agreeing with God concerning the foolishness of our sin rather than begging for forgiveness based upon a humanly-invented two-tiered approach to somehow "maintaining close fellowship" with Him.

Our fellowship with God was purchased unconditionally and irreversibly by Jesus at the cross. Once we receive that fellowship by simple faith in Christ, it is our eternal possession regardless of our recent performance or track-record. As I’ve written in my book, The Gospel Uncut:

"The way I now approach confession is to simply agree with God about the foolishness of my sin. I admit to Him that my sin hurts me as well as others and that it fails to bring glory to His Name. Often I am sorrowful over the foolishness of my actions. The Apostle Paul wrote that there is a “godly sorrow that brings repentance” (2 Cor. 10:7). When I know I have sinned, I humbly admit that my sinful behavior is out of step with my new nature and identity in Him, and I ask Him to help me rest in His completed work. Now here comes the best part! After agreeing with God about my sin, I begin thanking Him for the fact that this sinful act was already forgiven at the cross. Understanding these realities has literally transformed my practice of confession, changing the experience from a guilt-ridden begging session into a dynamic, worshipful encounter in which my conscious mind (and behavior) is realigned with the grace and truth of Jesus.

So yes! By all means confess your sin to God! Agree with Him about sin and everything else He has revealed. But don’t think of confession as a means of obtaining something that Jesus Christ died “once for all” to secure for you. Remember that confession is about humility and the ongoing renewal of the mind process – and never about getting something from God that is already yours in abundance through the finished work of Christ. If you are a believer in Christ, you are NEVER out of fellowship with God. Fellowship is an identity issue, meaning that you now share "all things in common" with God as a joint-heir with Christ (Rom. 8:17)! This never has been and never will be based upon your behavioral performance and is not something that you must confess sin in order to have reinstated! Because of Christ, you are always clean and God is always close!


Objection #5: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against God’s Law

Some take this claim so far as to suggest that we even want to throw out or ignore the Old Testament. Wow! What wild imaginations these accusers have! The truth is that we are by no means antinomian (against the law of God), nor do we disbelieve or avoid teaching the Old Testament. Most of us actually esteem the power and purpose of God’s law so highly that we understand grace to be the only way of escape from its impossibly stringent demands.

Paul shared in Romans 3 and elsewhere that God’s purposes for the law were two-fold: 1) to stop our self-righteous excuses, minimizations and justifications of our sin and 2) to reveal our desperate need of a Savior by grace through faith. The entire thrust of Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount was to bury His very self-righteous audience under the weight of one inescapable reality: “Unless your righteousness surpasses that of the world’s most stringent law-keepers (the Pharisees and teachers of the law) you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matt.5:20).

That Jesus came to “fulfill” the Law (Matt. 5:17) means that He came to keep its demands perfectly because He knew that we couldn’t and wouldn’t. He fulfilled the stringent demands of the Law on our behalf as our Substitute so that His record of perfection could be credited to our spiritual account when we received Him by grace through faith. He did what you and I couldn’t and wouldn’t, and the Sermon on the Mount is a damning indictment of anyone who thinks they can measure up to God’s standards on their own effort.

And have you heard of this “cheap grace” idea? Sometimes the term is ripped off and redefined from Bonhoeffer’s vocabulary to insinuate that the hyper-grace movement has cheapened the grace of God by making it “too easy” for people to attain. After all, we live in a world where there’s no such thingas a free lunch, right? We certainly don't believe or teach that grace is cheap. It cost Jesus His life! But we DO agree with the New Testament that His grace is FREE to those who receive it freely by faith.

The truth of the matter is that hyper-grace teachers are not guilty of promoting cheap grace at all. Rather, our critics are often guilty of promoting cheap Law! Far from being anti-law, WE are the ones who esteem God's Law so highly as to conclude that there is no escape from its condemnation apart from faith in Christ alone! The Law is an all-or-nothing proposition. To stumble in just one aspect of keeping it is the equivalent of breaking all of it (James 2:10). The Law is a ministry of death and condemnation (2 Cor. 3:7-11). The Law is not the bad guy, however. It simply points out who the bad guys are (the world, the flesh and the devil)! The Law is holy and pure and designed to show us what sin is (Rom.7:7).

But living under Law cannot save, change or transform a single heart – only grace can! And this is why we are so adamant about never mixing a law-based mentality with a grace-based mentality toward spiritual life or growth under God’s New Covenant. The New Testament repeatedly affirms that our salvation and sanctification are either completely by law or completely by grace, but cannot be a result of mixing the two.


Conclusion:

With all of that said, the idea of trying to somehow “balance grace” with anything is ludicrous according to both Scripture and plain reason. Grace, by definition, is radically IMBALANCED in our favor! If it were not, it would cease to be grace on that very basis! The term “hyper-grace” is far from insulting! It is in fact the ONLY kind of grace taught, supportedand promoted in the Bible.

God understands that His grace is open to the possibility of abuse by those who might misunderstand it. He understands that people may take His grace for granted or even at times misrepresent it as a license to sin. Paul addressed those concerns very clearly, as did Jesus and the other New Testament writers.

However, the fact that grace is open to misinterpretation and the possibility of abuse does not give us license to water it down, explain it away or cheapen its glory by adding a single measure of law into it as an attempt to stay "balanced." There is nothing balanced whatsoever about the grace of God! We rejoice in that! We celebrate that! We proclaim that without apology!

May God reveal His hyper-grace more clearly to you in the days ahead! Feel free to chime in with your thoughts below.
(For a more exhaustive treatment of this critical subject, check out the book "The Hyper-Grace Gospel" by my friend Paul Ellis )

Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections

 

[God4me]

This statement IS a fabricated lie. First of all, didn't you say John was trying to convert gnostics? BTW, there's no such thing as a true gnostic church, for gnostics aren't christians at all. NO EPISTLE is written to sinners.....always to the true church. But you had to say otherwise, so that this statement would "look like" their first confession.

1 John 1:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we (the true church) confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1. The true church confesses (plural) after conversion, intimating it will happen the rest of our lives, not just at conversion.This "confessing" also means "forsaking", for the two cannot be separated. John the Baptist told the scribes & pharisees they must bring forth fruits of repentance.
2. God forgives those that confess & forsake their sins.
3. If we don't confess & forsake our sins, we have unrighteousness dwelling in us.

This is a false statement & a judgement call..... You ASSUME anyone who doesn't believe you is a legalist, believing works can save us. Who gave you that right? You call anyone who disagrees with you a heresy/heretic hunter & a legalist. Get it right..... I'm a heresy exposer, not a hunter. No need to hunt it when it surrounds you.The scriptures are clear, but you aren't. If anything, you speak like the gnostics you blame..... curious, because gnostics believe in eternal security.Don't blame the Lord for the false doctrine you're spreading. Sin does have dominion over those that quit confessing & forsaking their sin AND quits living a life of obedience for the Lord.

John was writing to the Church, NOT to agnostics.
Every time the Bible proves people like grace 777, wrong, Thy say it's not for the believers.

 

[Grace777x70]

John was writing to the Church, NOT to agnostics.
Every time the Bible proves people like grace 777, wrong, Thy say it's not for the believers.

All scripture is profitable for us to learn truths.

All scripture has been written "for" us Not all scripture is written "to" us.

When Jesus called the Pharisees " You brood of vipers" - this is not "to" us - well..unless we are a Pharisee....

So, don't take someone else's medicine! Not understanding this truth can cause all kinds of mixture into our believing and we can end up being a spiritual mess in our unrenewed minds.

 

[JennaLeanne]

Unlike you false grace teachers, I'm forgiven, holy and free.
Whereas you are un-forgiven, unholy and only think you are free.

Please could tell me what you have done to be forgiven holy and free? And what u think I must do?

 

[Stephen63]

He was saying in the context of "if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive our sins" like once and for all.. Aknowledge you are a sinner and receive the forgiveness of sin through Jesus Christ. It's ignorant to not read the bible in the context and understanding of when and why it was written.. We know that we were once sinners and that we confessed and received for forgiveness of sins through Jesus so there ya go... I did what 1 John 1:9 tells us to do... Therefore I don't need to do it again and again and again..

This is incorrect. EVERY epistle is written to the church. READ THE GREETINGS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BOOKS!!! John is telling an established congregation to confess & forsake their sins CURRENTLY unconfessed.

CONTEXT: 1 John 2:1-6 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [SUP]2 [/SUP]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

John tell his children in the faith if they sin that asking forgiveness in the name of Jesus they can be forgiven. He also tells the church to walk in obedience, & if they don't walk in obedience they are liars, & the truth isn't in them.

Taking up your cross isn't a decision; it's an active relationship that demands obedience.

You reeeeeally need to read your Bible..... this was only a paragraph away from your teaching.

 

[Grace777x70]

I love how John tells us what the commandments of God are later in his epistle.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

 

[royalscot]

False grace teachers say we don't have to repent of sins, and we don't have to confess sins.
They say they can live how they want to, because all their sins have been forgiven, so they can sin and not repent, because grace covers every sin that they do.

It gives them the licence to sin.
They come against living holy, as they say it's a work and putting oneself back under the law.

But God says, Repentance and remission of sins.

you need to quote scripture to prove a point , or it just a rant.

for example

licence to sin. was that spoken to a jew or a gentile.

 

[royalscot]

This is incorrect. EVERY epistle is written to the church. READ THE GREETINGS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE BOOKS!!! John is telling an established congregation to confess & forsake their sins CURRENTLY unconfessed.

CONTEXT: 1 John 2:1-6 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [SUP]2 [/SUP]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [SUP]4 [/SUP]He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

John tell his children in the faith if they sin that asking forgiveness in the name of Jesus they can be forgiven. He also tells the church to walk in obedience, & if they don't walk in obedience they are liars, & the truth isn't in them.

Taking up your cross isn't a decision; it's an active relationship that demands obedience.

You reeeeeally need to read your Bible..... this was only a paragraph away from your teaching.

read act 15, i am a gentile christian.

 

[royalscot]

If this confessing of sins "in order" to receive forgiveness is so important to believers...why wouldn't Paul talk about it in any of his epistles?

I believe all Christians should be confessing all things with their Father and Lord. We should be confessing ( which means to say the same thing, to agree with - in Greek ) not only all sins but everything Jesus has provided for us in His finished work.

I agree with you BTW that scriptures do not say for the unbeliever to confess sins. 1 John 1:9 was telling those people that didn't believe in "sin" at all to confess that there is sin and that you need a Savior.

what law are you repenting from, if your saved by grace a gift.

.14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.1Romans 2:


acts 15 is already proved ,

Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council

But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.(rejected)


5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses." (rejected)


.8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith


11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."

what law are you repenting to.

17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.Romans 5


wrong division of scripture is a root cause. to having, been save with a saviour.
as paul puts it.

You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free

 

[God4me]

Complete nonsense! Here is what grace believers in Christ say "in real life"...

Is Hyper-Grace “dangerous” or “imbalanced”?

Author: Jeremy White/Thursday, August 21, 2014/Categories: Jeremy White, Top Picks


Introduction:

In recent times, a label has surfaced regarding what some view as a “dangerous” or “imbalanced” teaching of the grace of God. “Hyper-Grace” is now a term being used to suggest that there are some folks (such as myself) who “take God’s grace too far” and in so doing either ignore or minimize other significant teachings of the Bible.

What follows is an attempt to address a few of the most common “warnings” some have offered regarding those of us who make much of the finished work of Christ.

Objection #1: The Hyper-Grace Gospel is Unbiblical

For starters, you may be shocked to discover that “hyper-grace” is really the only adequate description for grace in the first place, according to the Bible. For example, when Paul wrote in Romans 5:20 that “…where sin increased, grace increased all the more” he was literally referring to God’s grace as “hyper.”

The Greek term for the phrase “increased all the more” (NIV) is huper-perisseuo which literally means “super-abounded.” Hyper is simply a transliteration of the prefix “huper” in Greek and means “above and beyond” in scope or quality. The term “perisseuo” refers to that which is “in far excess of what might be expected, superfluous or gratuitous.”

So in Paul’s description of God’s amazing grace, he is literally saying that because of the abundance of sin in this world, God’s grace has super-abounded in order to rescue us from sin! Paul literally describes God’s grace as HYPER in this passage. It is super-abundant and unfathomably plentiful and powerful. In fact, a few verses later Paul would state that the very reason sin is no longer our master is because we are no longer under law, but under this hyper-abounding grace (Rom. 6:14)!

If this is what one means by “hyper-grace,” then count me in as one of the “grace-heretics!” It is a label that was applied to both Paul and Jesus by the Pharisees of their day, so I am more than happy to wear it in ours. As the late scholar D. Martin Lloyd-Jones famously pointed out (andthis is my paraphrase), "If people do not sometimes misunderstand and falsely accuse you of being soft-on-sin or against God’s law, you are not preaching the real gospel!"


Objection #2: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Soft on Sin

This is a common one, of course. The idea here is that because of our high esteem of the finished work of Christ and our insistence upon keeping our eyes fixated on Jesus as Author and Finisher of our faith (Heb. 12:2), we are either afraid to preach against sin or do not take sin seriously enough.

Far from being “soft on sin” – we who preach grace are extremely big on Jesus. Any gospel worthy of the hyper-grace label is a gospel which points all fingers toward Jesus rather than judgmentally pointing them at those He came to save.

There are definitely many contexts in which it is appropriate to talk about sin, warn about sin and preach against sin. I do this routinely in my preaching ministry, as do my friends who are also labeled as hyper-grace preachers. Sin is bad. It is ugly. It brings death to everything it touches. It grieves God. It makes us miserable. It comes with a variety of consequences.

No legitimate grace-preacher that I am aware of minimizes the reality that sin is evil, wrong, bad, unproductive and unfitting for a new creation in Christ. What we DO focus on, however, is the Answer to sin, which is Jesus – and the fact that His grace alone is precisely what delivers us from its penalty (death), its power (enslavement) and eventually even its very presence (when we live in the fullness of His heavenly kingdom one day).

I talk about sin all the time, but not as a means of manipulating, judging or condemning people. I talk about sin so as to help people understand both their daily and eternal need for Jesus as Savior and Lord. We hyper-grace preachers are simply standing with Paul on the promise that it is the grace of God which “teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, and to live soberly, righteously and godly in the present age…” (Titus 2:11-13).

Paul taught that the power of sin is the law (1 Cor. 15:56). If a person wants to ensure that they will remain in slavery to life-dominating sin and addiction, one simple way to do that is to live under a law-based mentality. A grace-saturated life, however, frees us from the grip of sin’s mastery over us. Far from being soft on sin, we take sin very seriously. So seriously that we are pointing people unapologetically to the only Source of rescue from it! That Source is not trying harder to be a good person, culturally-espoused self-help tactics or pop-psychology.

That Source is Jesus Christ and the grace He alone offers.


Objection #3: Hyper-Grace Preachers Don’t Believe in Repentance

Not only do webelieve in repentance, but we seek to understand and teach it thoroughly and accurately. In the New Testament, “to repent” is a translation of the Greek verb “metanoeo” meaning “to change one’s mind or perspective.” Obviously, when we receive Christ, we have repented in the genuine sense of the term – changing our minds about our need of a Savior and receiving Christ.

Before Christ, we lived as self-sufficiently as possible, thinking that God would probably grade on a curve and accept us at least partly on the basis of our own best efforts and self-generated goodness. When we came to understand our spiritual bankruptcy and our desperate need for Christ’s forgiveness and new life, we repented (had a change of perspective) and received Christ by trusting in Him alone to rescue us.

Beyond this initial experience of “getting saved” (as we often call it), repentance is a daily lifestyle in which an ongoing “renewal of the mind” process is taking place within us. As we grow in faith and in our understanding of God through His Word and our union with His Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6:17), we begin to replace old thinking with new thinking and false thinking with true thinking. This renewal of the mind (Rom. 12:1-3) is an integral part of the transformative process of the Spirit’s work in our lives. This is the essence of a lifestyle of repentance – taking false thoughts captive, making them obedient to (in conformity with) Christ (2 Cor. 10:5).

Paul affirmed in no uncertain terms that God’s kindness (His expressed grace toward us) is what leads to repentance (Rom. 2:4). Far from being anti-repentance, hyper-grace theology affirms repentance and the ongoing renewal of the mind as an integral part of what it means to follow Jesus under His New Covenant.


Objection #4: Hyper-Grace Preachers Are Against Confession of Sin

This is one of the most common misrepresentations of hyper-grace theology. The Biblical term “to confess” simply means “to speak the same thing as” or “to agree with.” We teach that confession is important because we should yield our minds to agreement with God about everything He reveals – including, but not limited to, sin.

What we often also teach (and this is where the rub is with some people) is that confession is not about triggering any transaction between us and God that would issue forth more forgiveness, as though God were dispensing forgiveness in various doses based upon our confessions. Forgiveness of sin is something that was provided objectively ONE time by ONE act of grace through ONE Savior who shed His blood on the cross for us 2000 years ago. As the book of Hebrews repeatedly emphasizes, He is the “once for all” sacrifice for sin.

Confession of sin then, is about humility and walking in agreement with God – not about getting more forgiveness from Him. Some will suggest that God’s forgiveness is dispensed using a “two-tiered” approach. On one level, they say, God has forgiven our sins judicially and objectively through the cross. On the second tier, however, we need to confess our sins in order to receive “relational” or“experiential” forgiveness in order to maintain close fellowship with God.

This two-tiered approach is nowhere taught in the New Testament, and has only been popularized because of two basic levels of rationale. The first is based upon a misinterpretation of two passages in the New Testament, both of which have been clearly explained in books and sermons by a host of solid gospel teachers. These two passages are Matthew 6:12 (where Jesus appears to be commanding His followers to ask for God’s forgiveness) and 1 John 1:9 (which seems to link forgiveness to confession of sin).

In my book “The Gospel Uncut: Learning to Rest in the Grace of God” I deal with these passages quite clearly, as do other authors such as Bob George, Andrew Farley, Ralph Harris, Paul Ellis, Cathy Hildebrand and Andrew Nelson. I encourage you to investigate these writings for yourself in order to understand the context in which these passages were intended to be understood.

The bottom-line is this. We hyper-grace preachers DO value confession of sin. We also practice confession of sin in our own lives. However, we understand confession to be about agreeing with God concerning the foolishness of our sin rather than begging for forgiveness based upon a humanly-invented two-tiered approach to somehow "maintaining close fellowship" with Him.

Our fellowship with God was purchased unconditionally and irreversibly by Jesus at the cross. Once we receive that fellowship by simple faith in Christ, it is our eternal possession regardless of our recent performance or track-record. As I’ve written in my book, The Gospel Uncut:

"The way I now approach confession is to simply agree with God about the foolishness of my sin. I admit to Him that my sin hurts me as well as others and that it fails to bring glory to His Name. Often I am sorrowful over the foolishness of my actions. The Apostle Paul wrote that there is a “godly sorrow that brings repentance” (2 Cor. 10:7). When I know I have sinned, I humbly admit that my sinful behavior is out of step with my new nature and identity in Him, and I ask Him to help me rest in His completed work. Now here comes the best part! After agreeing with God about my sin, I begin thanking Him for the fact that this sinful act was already forgiven at the cross. Understanding these realities has literally transformed my practice of confession, changing the experience from a guilt-ridden begging session into a dynamic, worshipful encounter in which my conscious mind (and behavior) is realigned with the grace and truth of Jesus.

So yes! By all means confess your sin to God! Agree with Him about sin and everything else He has revealed. But don’t think of confession as a means of obtaining something that Jesus Christ died “once for all” to secure for you. Remember that confession is about humility and the ongoing renewal of the mind process – and never about getting something from God that is already yours in abundance through the finished work of Christ. If you are a believer in Christ, you are NEVER out of fellowship with God. Fellowship is an identity issue, meaning that you now share "all things in common" with God as a joint-heir with Christ (Rom. 8:17)! This never has been and never will be based upon your behavioral performance and is not something that you must confess sin in order to have reinstated! Because of Christ, you are always clean and God is always close!


Objection #5: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against God’s Law

Some take this claim so far as to suggest that we even want to throw out or ignore the Old Testament. Wow! What wild imaginations these accusers have! The truth is that we are by no means antinomian (against the law of God), nor do we disbelieve or avoid teaching the Old Testament. Most of us actually esteem the power and purpose of God’s law so highly that we understand grace to be the only way of escape from its impossibly stringent demands.

Paul shared in Romans 3 and elsewhere that God’s purposes for the law were two-fold: 1) to stop our self-righteous excuses, minimizations and justifications of our sin and 2) to reveal our desperate need of a Savior by grace through faith. The entire thrust of Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount was to bury His very self-righteous audience under the weight of one inescapable reality: “Unless your righteousness surpasses that of the world’s most stringent law-keepers (the Pharisees and teachers of the law) you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matt.5:20).

That Jesus came to “fulfill” the Law (Matt. 5:17) means that He came to keep its demands perfectly because He knew that we couldn’t and wouldn’t. He fulfilled the stringent demands of the Law on our behalf as our Substitute so that His record of perfection could be credited to our spiritual account when we received Him by grace through faith. He did what you and I couldn’t and wouldn’t, and the Sermon on the Mount is a damning indictment of anyone who thinks they can measure up to God’s standards on their own effort.

And have you heard of this “cheap grace” idea? Sometimes the term is ripped off and redefined from Bonhoeffer’s vocabulary to insinuate that the hyper-grace movement has cheapened the grace of God by making it “too easy” for people to attain. After all, we live in a world where there’s no such thingas a free lunch, right? We certainly don't believe or teach that grace is cheap. It cost Jesus His life! But we DO agree with the New Testament that His grace is FREE to those who receive it freely by faith.

The truth of the matter is that hyper-grace teachers are not guilty of promoting cheap grace at all. Rather, our critics are often guilty of promoting cheap Law! Far from being anti-law, WE are the ones who esteem God's Law so highly as to conclude that there is no escape from its condemnation apart from faith in Christ alone! The Law is an all-or-nothing proposition. To stumble in just one aspect of keeping it is the equivalent of breaking all of it (James 2:10). The Law is a ministry of death and condemnation (2 Cor. 3:7-11). The Law is not the bad guy, however. It simply points out who the bad guys are (the world, the flesh and the devil)! The Law is holy and pure and designed to show us what sin is (Rom.7:7).

But living under Law cannot save, change or transform a single heart – only grace can! And this is why we are so adamant about never mixing a law-based mentality with a grace-based mentality toward spiritual life or growth under God’s New Covenant. The New Testament repeatedly affirms that our salvation and sanctification are either completely by law or completely by grace, but cannot be a result of mixing the two.


Conclusion:

With all of that said, the idea of trying to somehow “balance grace” with anything is ludicrous according to both Scripture and plain reason. Grace, by definition, is radically IMBALANCED in our favor! If it were not, it would cease to be grace on that very basis! The term “hyper-grace” is far from insulting! It is in fact the ONLY kind of grace taught, supportedand promoted in the Bible.

God understands that His grace is open to the possibility of abuse by those who might misunderstand it. He understands that people may take His grace for granted or even at times misrepresent it as a license to sin. Paul addressed those concerns very clearly, as did Jesus and the other New Testament writers.

However, the fact that grace is open to misinterpretation and the possibility of abuse does not give us license to water it down, explain it away or cheapen its glory by adding a single measure of law into it as an attempt to stay "balanced." There is nothing balanced whatsoever about the grace of God! We rejoice in that! We celebrate that! We proclaim that without apology!

May God reveal His hyper-grace more clearly to you in the days ahead! Feel free to chime in with your thoughts below.
(For a more exhaustive treatment of this critical subject, check out the book "The Hyper-Grace Gospel" by my friend Paul Ellis )

Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections

You false grace teachers know very well that your teachings gives you the licence to sin.
Plus, you are in sin, and will always be in sin, Because if you don't confess your sins, [Which you don't], you aren't forgiven, cleansed or righteous. see 1 Jn 1: 9.


What do you do when you sin??, Please tell me.

 

[God4me]

All scripture is profitable for us to learn truths.

All scripture has been written "for" us Not all scripture is written "to" us.

When Jesus called the Pharisees " You brood of vipers" - this is not "to" us - well..unless we are a Pharisee....

So, don't take someone else's medicine! Not understanding this truth can cause all kinds of mixture into our believing and we can end up being a spiritual mess in our unrenewed minds.

There you go again, twisting the scriptures.
1 Jn was written to believers, and until you believe accept and 1 Jn 1: 8--10, you will never be forgiven.

 

[JaumeJ]

When folks in Christ believe faith and grace are the way in Christ, yet they have conflict, they are not hearing each other.

When folks believe we should obey God, and others call them legalists, there is also misunderstanding.

All are made perfectly clear in the teaching of Jesus Christ. He has invited us all to learn of Him saying His burden is light and His yoke is easy as opposed to those who have set themselves up as teachers not only of the law but of grace causing abject confusion for all who attempt to fellowship with them in discussion.

Believe Jesus Christ, obey Him, and learn from Him. He is God, amen.