Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!

[Zmouth]

John 5:39 tells you that the scriptures in and of themselves are not eternl life but what the scriptures point to??? or who the scriptures point too.. Jesus has eternal life and he gives it to those who believe in him. Remember John 5:39 Does say that The scriptures testify of him... but you cut that part out for some reason.?

The context sin, so your right and I am wrong because no prophesy of scripture is of any private interpretation. But that doesn't change of principle of 'eternal' which defined not interpreted.

 

[Zmouth]

Again WRONG!!!! Matthew 4:4 "Man shall not live by BREAD alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God" Its bread alone not book alone. GEEZZZ you really are terrible. I hope you are joking cause if your not then yikes... you got to sort your eyes out. How many times do I have to correct you. PLEASE no more out of context sins. Otherwise your becoming quite the fine heretic you are.

Matt 16:11
11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

 

[nowyouseem033]

Oh geez, you got that out of a book when the book tells you man shall not live by the book alone but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of the LORD. Especially since the new covenant is written within. Oh darn.

Correction is simple. Man lives on food hence bread being a huge source of food. But food alone will not give you eternal life. Every word that proceed from the mouth of the Lord. Oh right Christ is Lord!!! Hence Christ has eternal life and gives it to those that believe in him.

 

[LaurenTM]

Oh geez, you got that out of a book when the book tells you man shall not live by the book alone but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of the LORD. Especially since the new covenant is written within. Oh darn.

so how many years did you spend in the wilderness being taught of the Lord by the Spirit of truth?

you don't own a Bible?

or worse, you don't let it get in the way of your opinions and sneering at folks who try to help you?

the words that proceed out of the mouth of the Lord, you should know, are the 66 books that compose the Bible

God does not go against what is written...oh there is so much more to God....but in His infinite wisdom, He has only supplied us with so much....we are advised to study and search for Him with our whole hearts...remember the Bereans who were commended?

seems many have written their very own 'covenant'

there is only one...and I would not look into even my own heart to find it

when scripture says God will take out the stony heart and give you a heart of flesh...write his word on your heart...it does not mean we do not need the handbook that goes with it

believe what you will, but it is actually rebellion

 

[PeterJens]

means inside , or course the definition depends upon the tongue since some people think their innards are the organs but those who tongue comes from their innards know what I am talking about cause the devil speaks from the tongue in his mouth but the words of the faithful come the gift of their innards.

As a living soul where do you look to find Jesus in flesh or within your soul? Knowing Jesus you ought to know where he dwells.

Sounds like you like religious language.
We dwell in Christ, He is our rock and foundation.
Jesus truly dwells with the Father in heaven.

I have had this type of discussion with others and it is pointless, because it depends on
your view of the trinity and how the Lord works in the believer.

Some mystical believers see God sitting on a throne in their hearts, but this is all picture
language. Others hold a new spirit has been created and put in them, with a dualist
construct with their flesh.

I prefer to talk about where my heart is, in Christ.

But you are probably on the fringes of theology and thinking based on your responses.

 

[nowyouseem033]

Matt 16:11
11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

verse 12 goes " they understood that he bid them not to beware of the leaven bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees."

 

[Jimbone]

Never said I wasn't well versed in it. I won't belong to anything that purposely attacks others because they don't line up with their own opinions.

See that's the thing, it is not about our own fallible opinions, it is about what is true. God is not an “opinion thing”, nor is anything about Him and once you KNOW the TRUE God then everything is about what is true in reality and what is not. When it comes down to what I think is more important and loving between hurting someone’s feelings and speaking truth then I will ALWAYS go with truth, how is living in deception, or watching people be deceived without saying a word loving in any way. We are dealing with eternity here, this life is a blink of our existence yet so very vital. I think calling blatant false teachings out for what they are is not only a good thing, but we are called to do so, with love. Letting people think they have a security they don’t is not loving, and Paul prays in Gal. 1-8 for anyone bringing a false gospel to be damned to hell for ever and ever. It is EVIL to lead people to a false Christ.

 

[Zmouth]

verse 12 goes " they understood that he bid them not to beware of the leaven bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees."

And the Bible is untouched by any Pharisee right?

But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. Acts 23:6

 

[nowyouseem033]

The context sin, so your right and I am wrong because no prophesy of scripture is of any private interpretation. But that doesn't change of principle of 'eternal' which defined not interpreted.

Exactly. Scripture isnt up for grabs make it say whatever you think it says type vodoo. Scripture is firm and is saying principally one thing, not a whole bunch of things depending on what you think. Heretics favorite tool is 'private interpretation' Thats how they deceive the masses.

 

[Stephen63]

We must respect the people that moderate this forum. It is their site and they can decide what they want to say is in their opinion truth. That is their right - this is their place of authority.

If they said it was the admin's view that the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation were Daffy Duck and Donald Duck - you would have to abide by not saying anything against this view if you wanted to stay on here.

You can always talk about other subjects. Whether one believes in healing or not is a non-essential. Christ Himself is our life.

( for the record I don't believe that CC believes in "the Ducks" theory of the witnesses in Revelation ..frankly I think it's for the birds... )

As nice as the Admins have been to YOU, I think you could have come up with something better to say, don'tcha think?

 

[tourist]

( for the record I don't believe that CC believes in "the Ducks" theory of the witnesses in Revelation ..frankly I think it's for the birds... )

Yeah, it's kinda Goofy.

 

[Stephen63]

WOF is heresy doctrine..... written by a heretic, E.W. Kenyon, plagiarized by a liar & heretic, Kenneth Hagin, & taught by other well-known heretics, such as Joseph Prince & Kenneth Copeland.

When a known wolf teaches a doctrine, alarms ought to be going off in your head.

 

[nowyouseem033]

And the Bible is untouched by any Pharisee right?

But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. Acts 23:6

Yes, again the real issue here is Pauls faith in the ressurection over whiched the Pharisees and Sadducees violently disagreed on. Paul knew in defending this important doctrine he would divide the council and soon have the members disputing amongst themselves. and thats just what happened. The issue here is not the Bible... OBVIOUSLY it was still being written. The issue here was the trial of Paul and when it came to Resurrection he sided with the Pharisees to attain for himself another more fair trail later on. Therefore ending it with division amongst the two sect Paul gets protection from the Jews by the Roman soldiers until further notice. So again isnt this text speaking of ressurection and Paul not the Bible right????

 

[LanceA]

WOF is heresy doctrine..... written by a heretic, E.W. Kenyon, plagiarized by a liar & heretic, Kenneth Hagin, & taught by other well-known heretics, such as Joseph Prince & Kenneth Copeland.

When a known wolf teaches a doctrine, alarms ought to be going off in your head.

Alarms go off in my head when someone sits there and screams heretic more than once in a post. The alarm that goes off for me is Hateful.

 

[Grace777x70]

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

( for the record I don't believe that CC believes in "the Ducks" theory of the witnesses in Revelation ..frankly I think it's for the birds... )

Yeah, it's kinda Goofy.

LOL..I know. Although Revelation does talk about "birds flying around"...there may be something to the 2 witnesses being Daffy Duck and Donald Duck...

Revelation 19:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, "Come, assemble for the great supper of God,

Maybe it's in Walt Disney's version of the book of Revelation?...LOL

 

[PeterJens]

But they mocked God’s messengers, despised his words and scoffed at his prophets until the wrath of the Lord was aroused against his people and there was no remedy.

2 Chronicles 36:16

This is a clear warning against those who despise the words of the Lord.
Because you claim to be in Christ this is no defence. If you are in Christ
and follow Him, you should be more sensitive to the words of the Lord, and
not hold them and His people in contempt.

But if your spirit is to make war on Gods people then judgement will not be
long in coming, because your foundation is false and failing.

Many have sought the Lord, aspired to understanding and then fallen down
a heretical road, only to oppose the very things they originally were called
to follow. If anything is a real test of the seed planted in your soul this is
it.

 

[Zmouth]

Therefore ending it with division amongst the two sect Paul gets protection from the Jews by the Roman soldiers until further notice.

Paul is a Roman, a free born Roman at that.

Acts 22:26-28
26 When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman.
27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.
28 And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.

Paul knew in defending this important doctrine he would divide the council and soon have the members disputing amongst themselves.

His situation had nothing to do with the resurrection. Mark 16 shows that the day after the crucifixion, before the sun came up they already had removed the body and posted a guard in the tomb. Paul was accused of the breaking the rules that but note what Paul wrote in Acts 21:29 (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.)

Now in Acts 24:15-16 he is claiming:
And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

So why was Paul persecuting the Christians for again? Well regardless of the reason, that wouldn't be of offense to God of the Romans.

Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very well knowest. Acts 25:10

So some things are just self-evident and I just love that part about the visible light that appeared brighter than the sun but then again visible light can't pass through walls.

 

[stonesoffire]

We are what we eat.

 

[wanderer6059]

Again, you said you want to advocate for the Word of Faith. If you dont believe what the WoF is teaching and advocate only for "your version", it will be a very different debate.

no see you misunderstand WOF and paint us all with one color, you have judged the book by the cover.

 

[wanderer6059]

1. Do you think she would have been healed if she had not touched the hem of Jesus garment? Because that seemed to be a condtion of her healing in this passage. Physically touching Jesus.

2. Is Jesus physically here with us? No - although we do have the Holy Spirit.

Technically, this healing was a direct result of Jesus actual presence on earth. I guess that would be the difference between us and this woman.

Luke 8:43-48King James Version (KJV)

43 And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,
44 Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.
45 And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?
46 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me.
47 And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately.
48 And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.

what is the difference in her faith in Christ, and receiving her healing. and our faith?

[FONT=&quot]27 When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]28 For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]29 And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.[/FONT]
1&2 it was not phyisical, it was her belief in who Jesus was, and what He did.

for you consideration of said point i add this.

[h=1]Matthew 8:5-13King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.[/FONT]
10 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have [/FONT][FONT=&quot]not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]right there is a manifestation of healing. based on faith of a person, and that faith can be measured. so if faith is believing what God has said the measure must be, what you believe God is capable of, i tell you this, if you say God doesn't heal like that anymore that is the limit, the amount of the measure you have in healing from God and it is true to you. but i will let know, God is bigger than that. [/FONT]