Hey that is a really good one that I never heard before. Please post it on my music thread:
http://christianchat.com/christian-...-kind-christian-music-blesses-your-heart.html
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Hey that is a really good one that I never heard before. Please post it on my music thread:
http://christianchat.com/christian-...-kind-christian-music-blesses-your-heart.html
No Calvinist believes this, you just need the straw man in a bad way. 
No person is free outside of Christ, John 8:33ff. You say man is free, Jesus says man isn't. Wonder who's right here?
Verse 13 proves it isn't by choice.
I never made any such claim on that passage. I used the passage to show that it is by God's will we are saved, not man's. Salvation isn't by choice of man, it is by choice of God.
The language is actually "has caused us to be born again". You claim you caused yourself to be born again. God says otherwise, but hey, don't let what God says get in your way.
It's not by choice no matter how bad you want to choose your way into heaven.
All men, from everywhere, not all men who've ever lived. The all to come to repentance are the elect, the "usward" referenced in 2 Peter 3 following the context from chapter 1; that is, the elect and none other. It doesn't mean all men who've ever lived. But, you take Scripture out of context, so that will not matter to you.
No person is free outside of Christ, John 8:33ff. You say man is free, Jesus says man isn't. Wonder who's right here?
Verse 13 proves it isn't by choice.
I never made any such claim on that passage. I used the passage to show that it is by God's will we are saved, not man's. Salvation isn't by choice of man, it is by choice of God.
The language is actually "has caused us to be born again". You claim you caused yourself to be born again. God says otherwise, but hey, don't let what God says get in your way.
It's not by choice no matter how bad you want to choose your way into heaven.
All men, from everywhere, not all men who've ever lived. The all to come to repentance are the elect, the "usward" referenced in 2 Peter 3 following the context from chapter 1; that is, the elect and none other. It doesn't mean all men who've ever lived. But, you take Scripture out of context, so that will not matter to you.
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Is disagreeing slander?
slander
the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation
If someone said a false statement about you then I would not like the comment, if I liked it was because I do agree with the person that faith/belief at conversion is not a gift
slander
the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation
If someone said a false statement about you then I would not like the comment, if I liked it was because I do agree with the person that faith/belief at conversion is not a gift
No, sorry. But you can keep liking the posts from others who attack and slander my beliefs and those of my other "Calvinist" brothers and sisters. That's one choice you can continue to make.
Yes it is true, the goal of a follower of Buddha is to eliminate suffering in this life so that you will achieve nirvana in the after life, eternal bliss. My wife has her family homes right behind the village temple. So that I have seen close up all of the festivals and merit making that goes on all year long. It gives the Thai villagers a false sense of security therefor they do not respond to Jesus dying on the cross, they do understand why He died, but they have not the need to be save, very sad.
Population 65 million, 90 percent Buddhist, 2 percent Christian, the remainder being everything else in world religions including Jewish Synagogue's, is that being redundant. I believe at last count there are some 10,000 temples, (Called "Wat" in Thai). Throughout the land. Plenty of Idle worship going on day and night, Of course the Christian cults are there as well; JW, Mormon's, and such. My wifes family lives in Northern Thailand about 300 miles from the Vietnamese border, (nam means water), and there is plenty for growing rice.
I worked at my wife's Aunt's rice plantation for 5 years along side Thai farmers, (just for fun and exercise). The Orient Express would pass by her plantation once a month and everyone would stand up and waive to the passengers as they made their way south to Malaysia. Have I bored you to death yet.... My wife and I would return to her family home by Friday, 20 minutes away, to refresh and Connect with our Church family. Today Thailand has the feel of the 50s and 60s in USA, but they are catching up quickly to the modern world. A much slower pace of life than USA.
Long post sorry.........
Population 65 million, 90 percent Buddhist, 2 percent Christian, the remainder being everything else in world religions including Jewish Synagogue's, is that being redundant. I believe at last count there are some 10,000 temples, (Called "Wat" in Thai). Throughout the land. Plenty of Idle worship going on day and night, Of course the Christian cults are there as well; JW, Mormon's, and such. My wifes family lives in Northern Thailand about 300 miles from the Vietnamese border, (nam means water), and there is plenty for growing rice.
I worked at my wife's Aunt's rice plantation for 5 years along side Thai farmers, (just for fun and exercise). The Orient Express would pass by her plantation once a month and everyone would stand up and waive to the passengers as they made their way south to Malaysia. Have I bored you to death yet.... My wife and I would return to her family home by Friday, 20 minutes away, to refresh and Connect with our Church family. Today Thailand has the feel of the 50s and 60s in USA, but they are catching up quickly to the modern world. A much slower pace of life than USA.
Long post sorry.........
Yes it is true, the goal of a follower of Buddha is to eliminate suffering in this life so that you will achieve nirvana in the after life, eternal bliss. My wife has her family homes right behind the village temple. So that I have seen close up all of the festivals and merit making that goes on all year long. It gives the Thai villagers a false sense of security therefor they do not respond to Jesus dying on the cross, they do understand why He died, but they have not the need to be save, very sad.
Population 65 million, 90 percent Buddhist, 2 percent Christian, the remainder being everything else in world religions including Jewish Synagogue's, is that being redundant. I believe at last count there are some 10,000 temples, (Called "Wat" in Thai). Throughout the land. Plenty of Idle worship going on day and night, Of course the Christian cults are there as well; JW, Mormon's, and such. My wifes family lives in Northern Thailand about 300 miles from the Vietnamese border, (nam means water), and there is plenty for growing rice.
I worked at my wife's Aunt's rice plantation for 5 years along side Thai farmers, (just for fun and exercise). The Orient Express would pass by her plantation once a month and everyone would stand up and waive to the passengers as they made their way south to Malaysia. Have I bored you to death yet.... My wife and I would return to her family home by Friday, 20 minutes away, to refresh and Connect with our Church family. Today Thailand has the feel of the 50s and 60s in USA, but they are catching up quickly to the modern world. A much slower pace of life than USA.
Long post sorry.........
Population 65 million, 90 percent Buddhist, 2 percent Christian, the remainder being everything else in world religions including Jewish Synagogue's, is that being redundant. I believe at last count there are some 10,000 temples, (Called "Wat" in Thai). Throughout the land. Plenty of Idle worship going on day and night, Of course the Christian cults are there as well; JW, Mormon's, and such. My wifes family lives in Northern Thailand about 300 miles from the Vietnamese border, (nam means water), and there is plenty for growing rice.
I worked at my wife's Aunt's rice plantation for 5 years along side Thai farmers, (just for fun and exercise). The Orient Express would pass by her plantation once a month and everyone would stand up and waive to the passengers as they made their way south to Malaysia. Have I bored you to death yet.... My wife and I would return to her family home by Friday, 20 minutes away, to refresh and Connect with our Church family. Today Thailand has the feel of the 50s and 60s in USA, but they are catching up quickly to the modern world. A much slower pace of life than USA.
Long post sorry.........
Everyone who rejects the Creator, Jesus Christ is without excuse:
Colossians 1:16-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,
Romans 1:20-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened.
2 Corinthians 5:19-20 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
Colossians 1:16-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,
Romans 1:20-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened.
2 Corinthians 5:19-20 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
Nope. But liking the slanderous false accusations of others? Yes, that makes you an accomplice.
Really? Several false statements were made in attack mode against me and others and you made certain to like them. Perhaps you enjoy those lies?
You liked slanderous comment directed at my Calvinist brothers and myself. That's a fact.
You don't know what you're talking about concerning the gift of faith. And you've yet to address even one Scripture. Not one.
Here's another for you in addition to those given you that show faith is external and not inherent: Ephesians 1:19. We believe by the power that raised Christ according to that text. Obviously you think you possessed that power inherently and chose to believe on your own.
It's highly doubtful you'd change your mind when proven incorrect because your mind is already made up prior to study. You simply run on the comments of others and rarely offer anything substantial biblically speaking.
Then you like posts that make false accusations and slanderous remarks. This is what I've witnessed. And you rarely if ever use Bible. But you know all when we're lied about and agree with it.
Really? Several false statements were made in attack mode against me and others and you made certain to like them. Perhaps you enjoy those lies?
You liked slanderous comment directed at my Calvinist brothers and myself. That's a fact.
You don't know what you're talking about concerning the gift of faith. And you've yet to address even one Scripture. Not one.
Here's another for you in addition to those given you that show faith is external and not inherent: Ephesians 1:19. We believe by the power that raised Christ according to that text. Obviously you think you possessed that power inherently and chose to believe on your own.
It's highly doubtful you'd change your mind when proven incorrect because your mind is already made up prior to study. You simply run on the comments of others and rarely offer anything substantial biblically speaking.
Then you like posts that make false accusations and slanderous remarks. This is what I've witnessed. And you rarely if ever use Bible. But you know all when we're lied about and agree with it.
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Yes it is true, the goal of a follower of Buddha is to eliminate suffering in this life so that you will achieve nirvana in the after life, eternal bliss. My wife has her family homes right behind the village temple. So that I have seen close up all of the festivals and merit making that goes on all year long. It gives the Thai villagers a false sense of security therefor they do not respond to Jesus dying on the cross, they do understand why He died, but they have not the need to be save, very sad.
Population 65 million, 90 percent Buddhist, 2 percent Christian, the remainder being everything else in world religions including Jewish Synagogue's, is that being redundant. I believe at last count there are some 10,000 temples, (Called "Wat" in Thai). Throughout the land. Plenty of Idle worship going on day and night, Of course the Christian cults are there as well; JW, Mormon's, and such. My wifes family lives in Northern Thailand about 300 miles from the Vietnamese border, (nam means water), and there is plenty for growing rice.
I worked at my wife's Aunt's rice plantation for 5 years along side Thai farmers, (just for fun and exercise). The Orient Express would pass by her plantation once a month and everyone would stand up and waive to the passengers as they made their way south to Malaysia. Have I bored you to death yet.... My wife and I would return to her family home by Friday, 20 minutes away, to refresh and Connect with our Church family. Today Thailand has the feel of the 50s and 60s in USA, but they are catching up quickly to the modern world. A much slower pace of life than USA.
Long post sorry.........
Population 65 million, 90 percent Buddhist, 2 percent Christian, the remainder being everything else in world religions including Jewish Synagogue's, is that being redundant. I believe at last count there are some 10,000 temples, (Called "Wat" in Thai). Throughout the land. Plenty of Idle worship going on day and night, Of course the Christian cults are there as well; JW, Mormon's, and such. My wifes family lives in Northern Thailand about 300 miles from the Vietnamese border, (nam means water), and there is plenty for growing rice.
I worked at my wife's Aunt's rice plantation for 5 years along side Thai farmers, (just for fun and exercise). The Orient Express would pass by her plantation once a month and everyone would stand up and waive to the passengers as they made their way south to Malaysia. Have I bored you to death yet.... My wife and I would return to her family home by Friday, 20 minutes away, to refresh and Connect with our Church family. Today Thailand has the feel of the 50s and 60s in USA, but they are catching up quickly to the modern world. A much slower pace of life than USA.
Long post sorry.........
Nope. But liking the slanderous false accusations of others? Yes, that makes you an accomplice.
Really? Several false statements were made in attack mode against me and others and you made certain to like them. Perhaps you enjoy those lies?
You liked slanderous comment directed at my Calvinist brothers and myself. That's a fact.
You don't know what you're talking about concerning the gift of faith. And you've yet to address even one Scripture. Not one.
Here's another for you in addition to those given you that show faith is external and not inherent: Ephesians 1:19. We believe by the power that raised Christ according to that text. Obviously you think you possessed that power inherently and chose to believe on your own.
It's highly doubtful you'd change your mind when proven incorrect because your mind is already made up prior to study. You simply run on the comments of others and rarely offer anything substantial biblically speaking.
Then you like posts that make false accusations and slanderous remarks. This is what I've witnessed. And you rarely if ever use Bible. But you know all when we're lied about and agree with it.
Really? Several false statements were made in attack mode against me and others and you made certain to like them. Perhaps you enjoy those lies?
You liked slanderous comment directed at my Calvinist brothers and myself. That's a fact.
You don't know what you're talking about concerning the gift of faith. And you've yet to address even one Scripture. Not one.
Here's another for you in addition to those given you that show faith is external and not inherent: Ephesians 1:19. We believe by the power that raised Christ according to that text. Obviously you think you possessed that power inherently and chose to believe on your own.
It's highly doubtful you'd change your mind when proven incorrect because your mind is already made up prior to study. You simply run on the comments of others and rarely offer anything substantial biblically speaking.
Then you like posts that make false accusations and slanderous remarks. This is what I've witnessed. And you rarely if ever use Bible. But you know all when we're lied about and agree with it.
No, sorry. But you can keep liking the posts from others who attack and slander my beliefs and those of my other "Calvinist" brothers and sisters. That's one choice you can continue to make.
Their missionary support around the world is much accredited to our Savior Jesus Christ. I first learned about missionary service to God through Grace Church plus reading books and biographies about missionaries. I would testify before any man that Calvinist are fully in gear going at full speed in pursuit of, "The Great Commission, to say other wise is prejudicial and ignoring the truth, where's your proof.
God bless
Here is a group from Marysville, CA. They call themselves God's Country Band. I saw them twice about ten years ago, in a little country Church, that sat about 60 people, and they were really good. They had a policy back then that they would put on a Concert at any Church that invited them for no charge; but of course the Pastor took up a collection to help them with their traveling expenses.
[video=youtube;dbNpSKjTz4o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbNpSKjTz4o[/video]
[video=youtube;dbNpSKjTz4o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbNpSKjTz4o[/video]
My pastor used an example similar to this:
Consider a stranger approaches you and declares "I give you my house free of charge. Move in cause it's all yours."
In another example:
Consider a stranger approaches you and declares "I give you my house free of charge. Move in cause it's all yours. Just make sure you clean and maintain it."
The very small distinction makes all the difference.
Consider a stranger approaches you and declares "I give you my house free of charge. Move in cause it's all yours."
In another example:
Consider a stranger approaches you and declares "I give you my house free of charge. Move in cause it's all yours. Just make sure you clean and maintain it."
The very small distinction makes all the difference.