Not By Works
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My wife is Thai and wild game is a common place in her country, however they will not eat beef because they will not kill what tills their soil (water buffalo), that grows the rice that keeps them alive. It is not for religious reasons they do not eat beef it is for survival. The Thai people have a wide variety of critters that they love to eat, but not beef.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Timothy 2:15, “Do your utmost to present yourself approved to Yah, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly handling the Word of Truth.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:11, “I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Peter 1:25, “but the Word of Yah remains forever.” And this is the Word, announced as Good News to you."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Timothy 3:16-1716, “All Scripture is breathed out by Yah and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of Yah might be fitted, equipped for every righteous work.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 6:17, “Take also the helmet of deliverance, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of Yah.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 6:17, “Take also the helmet of deliverance, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of Yah.”[/FONT]
2 Timothy 1:9
He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Romans 9:15-16
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So then it does not depend on human will or effort but on God who shows mercy.
He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Romans 9:15-16
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So then it does not depend on human will or effort but on God who shows mercy.
ECCLESIASTES and the promises of God
I have so many unanswered questions that remain from the time of my heavenly birth. But two things I know that are sure; that what God has promised He will do, and that it is "not by works" that we are saved or kept being saved, lest any man shall boast
"not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." Ephesians2:9
- “He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end” Eccl.3:11
I have so many unanswered questions that remain from the time of my heavenly birth. But two things I know that are sure; that what God has promised He will do, and that it is "not by works" that we are saved or kept being saved, lest any man shall boast
"not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." Ephesians2:9
This is a good summary of what tastes one regards as nice and ones which are horrible.
Some on cc with their background and bias, will put moral evil, condemnation and total
rejection because of opinions held and interpretations taken.
This is where Jesus calls us to love one another and our enemies.
I remember reading a story about a man brought up in the deep south in a racist, aggressive
household, where every frustration was some an extreme expression. Hatred filled their lives
with violence, verbal and physical abuse and scapegoating on to anything strange or unknown,
was seen as the cause of their misery.
Where is the problem? In the hatred and anger or in the hurt and abuse they suffered which is
expressed by the hatred and anger? How long does it take to come out of this conditioning and
automatic emotional labelling? 5 or 6 years, being in a loving environment, learning the ways of
peace, giving and sharing?
Loving people who are made by their circumstance, so they can begin to see a way out, that
there is real victory and overcoming, despite this insanity. That is the way of Christ.
Salvation, redemption, the narrow path has never been a simple one off event. The intention
and direction of travel is a one off catching of the vision, but the walk is a life long carrying the
cross and following.
The problem with churches, and closed christian communities, they become so isolated, the real
issues and trauma going on around them is just painted out of existance, and being nice and isolated
or just compromised is seen as the walk. Not surprising reality does not feature very highly in the
conversation.
Some on cc with their background and bias, will put moral evil, condemnation and total
rejection because of opinions held and interpretations taken.
This is where Jesus calls us to love one another and our enemies.
I remember reading a story about a man brought up in the deep south in a racist, aggressive
household, where every frustration was some an extreme expression. Hatred filled their lives
with violence, verbal and physical abuse and scapegoating on to anything strange or unknown,
was seen as the cause of their misery.
Where is the problem? In the hatred and anger or in the hurt and abuse they suffered which is
expressed by the hatred and anger? How long does it take to come out of this conditioning and
automatic emotional labelling? 5 or 6 years, being in a loving environment, learning the ways of
peace, giving and sharing?
Loving people who are made by their circumstance, so they can begin to see a way out, that
there is real victory and overcoming, despite this insanity. That is the way of Christ.
Salvation, redemption, the narrow path has never been a simple one off event. The intention
and direction of travel is a one off catching of the vision, but the walk is a life long carrying the
cross and following.
The problem with churches, and closed christian communities, they become so isolated, the real
issues and trauma going on around them is just painted out of existance, and being nice and isolated
or just compromised is seen as the walk. Not surprising reality does not feature very highly in the
conversation.
Studyman,
Good Scriptures you have offered. The context of those Scriptures are descriptive of believers, they are not then prescriptive texts.
Now, you also speak of those who say they love God, but do not follow or obey God in essence. That is also descriptive of something, perhaps it describes what they truly are in opposition to their profession, but we cannot be certain of this. That these allegedly do not obey God adds nothing to what you are attempting to convey with the Scriptures quoted. It only describes them, they cannot by deciding to obey God then earn heaven, or enter the Kingdom, or even see the Kingdom (John 3) until they are first regenerated.
At times people err in Scriptures by using some as prescriptive texts when they are instead descriptive. You are zealous to serve God it appears, however you are making the mistake I am speaking of. I hope you can accept this in humility and continue to grow in grace and knowledge.
Good Scriptures you have offered. The context of those Scriptures are descriptive of believers, they are not then prescriptive texts.
Now, you also speak of those who say they love God, but do not follow or obey God in essence. That is also descriptive of something, perhaps it describes what they truly are in opposition to their profession, but we cannot be certain of this. That these allegedly do not obey God adds nothing to what you are attempting to convey with the Scriptures quoted. It only describes them, they cannot by deciding to obey God then earn heaven, or enter the Kingdom, or even see the Kingdom (John 3) until they are first regenerated.
At times people err in Scriptures by using some as prescriptive texts when they are instead descriptive. You are zealous to serve God it appears, however you are making the mistake I am speaking of. I hope you can accept this in humility and continue to grow in grace and knowledge.
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There is a problem with this statement. It is quite subtle.
Keeping Gods commandments is testimony to the believer being God centred.
To dwell and stay in sin is to walk away from Christ.
So the problem is people who are justifying sinful behaviour by claiming it is not
important. In reality our behaviour is the fruit of our hearts, and it is this that
the Kingdom came to change us, through the cross.
Keeping Gods commandments is testimony to the believer being God centred.
To dwell and stay in sin is to walk away from Christ.
So the problem is people who are justifying sinful behaviour by claiming it is not
important. In reality our behaviour is the fruit of our hearts, and it is this that
the Kingdom came to change us, through the cross.
Unfortunately you are talking to believers who feel it is their mission to talk against works
salvation as they call it. They are so dedicated they see this in everything and will condemn
any believer who they feel is doing this as evil and deluded.
The sad reality is a lot of scripture can be looked at this way if you are so inclined. But the
fallacy is when the speaker comes to justify sin and evil behaviour, they have just walked away from
Christ.
It is this attitude and unbelief that stops revival and the beginning of reality in peoples hearts.
Not surprising that much is not progressing well.
salvation as they call it. They are so dedicated they see this in everything and will condemn
any believer who they feel is doing this as evil and deluded.
The sad reality is a lot of scripture can be looked at this way if you are so inclined. But the
fallacy is when the speaker comes to justify sin and evil behaviour, they have just walked away from
Christ.
It is this attitude and unbelief that stops revival and the beginning of reality in peoples hearts.
Not surprising that much is not progressing well.
Welcome to Peter cotton tail and his modus operandi........he will do this nonstop....embellish, change, twist, add, mix, blend, stir, puree, blend and change everything you say while pushing a sinless, self promoted, working for dogma that has no power to save and then deny every bit of it and proclaim himself holy, righteous and the standard bearer for Jesus and his marching armies.....