why would millennial kingdom not be literal?

[valiant]

u dont even explain urself.
u just say it doesnt mean what it says and then say i dont know much.

If you don't know that the majority feeling is that the Gospel preached in the millennium is a different Gospel (the gospel of the Kingdom) you clearly don't know much

not very convincing. i can open up revelation 19 see Jesus returning, revelation 20 millennial kingdom satan bound then loosed and permanently destroyed, judgment, revelation 21 new heaven and earth.

how can u go through those chapters?

There are a number of visions in Revelation each leading up to the second coming.

Revelation 19 is the end of one such vision. Chapter 20 is a new vision.

Compare chapter 20.1-3 with chapter 9.1-11

u have to invent some weird way to say revelation 19 is the second coming, and rev 20 is also the second coming.

Not weird at all. Just common sense.

 

[Snoozy]

If you don't know that the majority feeling is that the Gospel preached in the millennium is a different Gospel (the gospel of the Kingdom) you clearly don't know much

the gospel of the kingdom was the one Jesus preached its not about the millennium

if u can see Jesus in all His glory during that time whats the point of saying believe in Jesus? there is nothing to believe in, everyone can see Jesus ruling with their own eyes. faith is the evidence of things not seen.

so dont understand ur point there. i dont care about the majority feeling. majority more often than not is wrong

 

[trofimus]

the gospel of the kingdom was the one Jesus preached its not about the millennium

if u can see Jesus in all His glory during that time whats the point of saying believe in Jesus? there is nothing to believe in, everyone can see Jesus ruling with their own eyes. faith is the evidence of things not seen.

so dont understand ur point there. i dont care about the majority feeling. majority more often than not is wrong

Can you explain to me, why would God want people to return to Old Testament rules?

Because the doctine of millennial kingdom as taught in churches contains also Israel, another temple, animal sacrifices, nations visiting Israel to serve God etc.

Can you explain to me, why would God stop the work of Christ for 1000 years?

 

[Snoozy]

Can you explain to me, why would God want people to return to Old Testament rules?

Because the doctine of millennial kingdom as taught in churches contains also Israel, another temple, animal sacrifices, nations visiting Israel to serve God etc.

Can you explain to me, why would God stop the work of Christ for 1000 years?

revelation 20 doesnt say any of that

i dont believe animal sacrifices will be returned by God's will. i know alot of the brethren do but i disagree because i believe Jesus was the once and for all sacrifice.

nations visiting israel is in zechariah 14

 

[tourist]

The 1000 year reign of Jesus on earth is absolutely literal otherwise the book of Revelation would hold no meaning. Most of prophesy in the bible is directed to that one event.

 

[trofimus]

revelation 20 doesnt say any of that

i dont believe animal sacrifices will be returned by God's will. i know alot of the brethren do but i disagree because i believe Jesus was the once and for all sacrifice.

nations visiting israel is in zechariah 14

I said "the doctrine of millennial kingdom as taught in churches". So its irrelevant that it is not in Rev 20, of course its not there.

But people who believe in literal millennium connects Rev 20 to many other places in the OT or to the salvation of "all Israel" in Romans etc. I thought you know that.

 

[Snoozy]

I said "the doctrine of millennial kingdom as taught in churches". So its irrelevant that it is not in Rev 20, of course its not there.

But people who believe in literal millennium connects Rev 20 to many other places in the OT or to the salvation of "all Israel" in Romans etc. I thought you know that.

yeah i do know that but i cant really speak for them.
i can only speak for what i believe.

i think the purpose of the millennium is to fulfill some OT prophecies. like they asked Jesus in acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

 

[trofimus]

yeah i do know that but i cant really speak for them.
i can only speak for what i believe.

i think the purpose of the millennium is to fulfill some OT prophecies. like they asked Jesus in acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

You did not anwer my questions.

Can you explain to me, why would God want people to return to Old Testament rules?

Can you explain to me, why would God stop the work of Christ for 1000 years?

 

[Snoozy]

You did not anwer my questions.

Can you explain to me, why would God want people to return to Old Testament rules?

Can you explain to me, why would God stop the work of Christ for 1000 years?

i dont understand how the work of Christ is stopped? the church is already complete by that point.

and i dont think God wants people to return to old testament rules. hopefully that answers

 

[trofimus]

i dont understand how the work of Christ is stopped? the church is already complete by that point.

and i dont think God wants people to return to old testament rules. hopefully that answers

Temple, animal sacrifices.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I said "the doctrine of millennial kingdom as taught in churches". So its irrelevant that it is not in Rev 20, of course its not there.

But people who believe in literal millennium connects Rev 20 to many other places in the OT or to the salvation of "all Israel" in Romans etc. I thought you know that.

I don't think most people think that 144,000 out of millions upon millions constitutes "all of Israel."

 

[TMS]

this is actually the opposite order of the bible.
in the bible the millennium happens and then after it the new jerusalem descends.

i didn't say it was in any other order, i said "The new Jerusalem is not coming down until the 1000 years are finished and during the 1000 years the earth is void.
Jesus will rule the earth when it is recreated and made new (after the 1000 years), not while it is sinful and desolate or void. "

For 1000 years the saved will live in their mansions in heaven with Jesus and then the New Jerusalem will come and Jesus will reign on Earth.

 

[trofimus]

I don't think most people think that 144,000 out of millions upon millions constitutes "all of Israel."

I said "in Romans".

 

[Snoozy]

Temple, animal sacrifices.

i dont believe theere will be animal sacrifices in the millennium. Jesus ended animal sacrifices forever. book of hebrews makes it clear.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i didn't say it was in any other order, i said "The new Jerusalem is not coming down until the 1000 years are finished and during the 1000 years the earth is void.
Jesus will rule the earth when it is recreated and made new (after the 1000 years), not while it is sinful and desolate or void. "

For 1000 years the saved will live in their mansions in heaven with Jesus and then the New Jerusalem will come and Jesus will reign on Earth.

The Bible does not say the earth will be desolate or void for 1000 years. It says it will be ruled by the king who will rule with a rod of iron for 1000 years.

Jesus will rule the new heavens and earth forever. And there will be no sin, no pain no suffering, no babies, etc etc. all things which scripture says will occur in those 1000 years.

 

[trofimus]

i dont believe theere will be animal sacrifices in the millennium. Jesus ended animal sacrifices forever. book of hebrews makes it clear.

Well, in that case there is as many "literal millennium" views as people, then.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't think most people think that 144,000 out of millions upon millions constitutes "all of Israel."

Amen, it says they are saved OUT OF ISRAEL. Not all Israel. And they go throughout the world as missionaries and witnesses.

 

[Snoozy]

Well, in that case there is as many "literal millennium" views as people, then.

there probably are. since no specifics are mentioned in revelation 20 this is to be expected.

but do u have any evidence to the contrary? that Jesus wont be ruling on earth with saints? verses? what does revelation 20 mean in ur view then?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i dont understand how the work of Christ is stopped? the church is already complete by that point.

and i dont think God wants people to return to old testament rules. hopefully that answers

It is their base argument. Nothing you say will change that.

Gods work of savings souls will not end until this earth is destroyed. Until then, the gospel will always need to go out. There will be unbelievers even during christs rule thats why when satan is released he easily gathers an army which is quickly dispatched at the true e4nd of this world.

as for animal sacrifice, as Hebrews states, the blood of bull and goat never took away sin, Never means never, even in the OT it never took away sin, it was a symbol only. The jews got this wrong. Its one of the reasons they rejected christ, so even if it is re-instituted for whatever reason. It is not anything different than what they did in the OT, which NEVER saved anyone. But was a tool. Period.. we should not read to much into it, and just trust God, he knows why he is doing it (again, if he is)

 

[trofimus]

there probably are. since no specifics are mentioned in revelation 20 this is to be expected.

but do u have any evidence to the contrary? that Jesus wont be ruling on earth with saints? verses? what does revelation 20 mean in ur view then?

Rev 20 is a whole chapter, but if you ask about 1000 years there, it means to me a symbolic expression of gospel era, which is now about 2000 years.