WHY DOESN'T GOD HEAL EVERYONE?

[garee]

You tell me why it doesn't work, when it was administered and you don't "put much stock into laying on healing?" I am simply asking you to reevaluate your perspective, and experience due to such a perspective.

Perceived experience is the not the final authority of things not seen. God’s word alone is.

If I didn't believe touching Jesus' garment could heal me, I wouldn't bother reaching out and grabbing it. Likewise, why be prayed for, have hands laid on me (for healing), if I don't put much stock into it? Why go through the motions?

That person that was moved by the Spirit of Christ to touch the garment was in respect to a work of Christ’s faith working in them as we are informed in Philippians 2 . Nothing is attributed to the flesh

Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

I don't really want to go into it Blue, I am just pointing some stuff out.

The laying on of hands is a metaphor indicating the will. Forehead has the same kind of meaning used in parables.

God is not served by human hands as a will. He has no needs but satisfies all of our needs.

It would seem when men do say God does need to be served by human hands. The idea of a sign gift used to give a person confidence they are Christians as something they seek after comes to mind..More of a Charismatic approach( walk by sight)

I would suggest that a person who does believe God is served by human hands as a will that then they pray continually and ask God never to experience and sickness and then wait for the answer .

 

[oldethennew]

I'm not going to get into it with you as we have in the past. We know how that ends. I just want to draw attention to the words I put in bold in your post. Is that okay? Why wasn't it a big surprise? I'd like to post another post of yours...
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first of all ben, she didn't say that it 'doesn't work for ALL', she is explaining her life experience
thus far...

you are trying to 'bait her' and you have definitely 'disrespected her' while she is sharing her life's experiences
thus far...

you are very immature and lack a great KEY when you think that you need to 'correct' someone much more
experienced in life and living than yourself - you seem to lack 'empathy', which is such a beautiful
attribute of our Saviour...I'm sure that Blue loves you in your obvious ignorance in this realm of
Godly understanding...we, hub and I hope and pray that one day you will mature and understand
something of the lives of others and their burdens and challenges...

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You say that as if it is a bad thing. God speaks today and if He gives you something to say, shouldn't you do so in obedience? Do you hear His voice? Has He not told you to do something, given you direction in your life? Answered prayer? Did He not tell you to help someone and you did? How is it any different if the Lord would have you share a verse with someone?

She made no claim to be a prophetess.

I know your style is flip what someone else says...so let's take a closer look here

you like to talk to people as if they were ignorant of scripture

people think they hear God's voice and their words prove they are hearing something but it is not God

who do you hear to twist people's words as often as you do?

unless you are stones lawyer, you don't need to defend her; as it is, she defended herself

what I hear or do not hear is not your business...however Stones made it everyone's business when she posted what she did to PennEd.

and in saying God told her what she posted, she claimed a prophetic gift

maybe you do not know what a prophetic gift is?

 

[blue_ladybug]

It was several years ago, in the 90's when I was a member of the mormon church. As usual, I was having back troubles, and the elders both prayed over me and laid on hands. Some 20- something years later, I STILL have back problems. I haven't been healed of it, nor have my seizures been healed.

You may not directly say to people that they don't have enough faith to be healed, but you definitely allude to it, rather often. In fact, you alluded to it just now, by saying "if I didn't believe"... Implying that either I don't, or don't have enough. And you are right, it IS insulting to say that to someone. In fact, it ticks me off..

You ask why I went through the motions of having hands laid on? Well, for one I was desperate. And in severe pain. Have you ever been in so much **** pain that you can't even move? Well, I was. And many days, still am. But you know what, I have no choice but to bite the bullet and get up and move...

That was the very first, AND LAST, time that I ever/will ever have hands laid on for healing. i wasn't sure what to expect, whether it would be gradual or instantaneous. Turns out, it didn't work any way.. Maybe for some it does, for ME it didn't. So I don't need to "reevaluate" anything.

I'm not going to get into it with you as we have in the past. We know how that ends. I just want to draw attention to the words I put in bold in your post. Is that okay? Why wasn't it a big surprise? I'd like to post another post of yours...



You tell me why it doesn't work, when it was administered and you don't "put much stock into laying on healing?" I am simply asking you to reevaluate your perspective, and experience due to such a perspective.

If I didn't believe touching Jesus' garment could heal me, I wouldn't bother reaching out and grabbing it. Likewise, why be prayed for, have hands laid on me (for healing), if I don't put much stock into it? Why go through the motions?

I don't really want to go into it Blue, I am just pointing some stuff out.

God bless.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Ben has probably never been in pain to the degree that I, and several others here, are. And I'm not bragging when I say, he could definitely NOT handle having the pain of sciatica.. They gave me Dilaudid, one of the strongest pain meds, and even that didn't touch the pain. And you know what? I hardly ever took it because I don't like narcotics. For the most part I toughed it out with ibuprofen and Robaxin... I had no one to help me do anything, had to do it all myself, shopping, taking out trash, doing laundry. AND I took care of a terminally ill cat who intensified matters by pooping on the floor and throwing up all the time.

I'm not going to get into it with you as we have in the past. We know how that ends. I just want to draw attention to the words I put in bold in your post. Is that okay? Why wasn't it a big surprise? I'd like to post another post of yours...
=============================================
first of all ben, she didn't say that it 'doesn't work for ALL', she is explaining her life experience
thus far...

you are trying to 'bait her' and you have definitely 'disrespected her' while she is sharing her life's experiences
thus far...

you are very immature and lack a great KEY when you think that you need to 'correct' someone much more
experienced in life and living than yourself - you seem to lack 'empathy', which is such a beautiful
attribute of our Saviour...I'm sure that Blue loves you in your obvious ignorance in this realm of
Godly understanding...we, hub and I hope and pray that one day you will mature and understand
something of the lives of others and their burdens and challenges...

 

[LightLoveHope]

Healing is a gift of love from God to the individual.

It is a gift, unmerited, of blessing and hope. The person later will die, and might have
other issues in their life.

It is Gods will to give to some and not to others.
If God healed everyone, about everything, the age has ended and judgement is here.
Until sin is removed, and the world remade, the consequences of sin and rebellion will
still be felt.

We live in a half way house, between heaven and hell, a place of choice, consequences
and blessing. It will always be a tension between all the issues and places, it is up to
us to decide who we listen to and what road we want to walk.

Healing unfortunately is one issue that easily is abused and miss-appropriated as a sign
of authority and truth, rather than a gift of grace and love to people in difficult circumstances.
So God is constrained by who is calling and why and how it will impact those who are touched.
So much evil and distortion can come from the wrong emphasis and beliefs linked to a real
work of the Lord, we fail to see the will of God and how He intends to work.

I have seen gifted men and women of God, fall into condemning others in the Lord, claiming
great authority, who are struck down with illness and problems, while being confused as to why.
They called out to God, thinking He would heal them to show His overcoming for them to die.

It never struck them, their ambition and self belief was their downfall, and the Lord was less
concerned about their situation and more about their impact. We are servants, we go where
we are sent, in His time. When you can grasp His sovereignty you will begin to see there is
a time to be born, a time to be healed and a time to die. Praise the Lord.

 

[blue_ladybug]

You are limiting God by saying that He is constrained.. God can do ANYTHING, regardless of how badly we try to muck it up...

Healing is a gift of love from God to the individual.

It is a gift, unmerited, of blessing and hope. The person later will die, and might have
other issues in their life.

It is Gods will to give to some and not to others.
If God healed everyone, about everything, the age has ended and judgement is here.
Until sin is removed, and the world remade, the consequences of sin and rebellion will
still be felt.

We live in a half way house, between heaven and hell, a place of choice, consequences
and blessing. It will always be a tension between all the issues and places, it is up to
us to decide who we listen to and what road we want to walk.

Healing unfortunately is one issue that easily is abused and miss-appropriated as a sign
of authority and truth, rather than a gift of grace and love to people in difficult circumstances.
So God is constrained by who is calling and why and how it will impact those who are touched.
So much evil and distortion can come from the wrong emphasis and beliefs linked to a real
work of the Lord, we fail to see the will of God and how He intends to work.

I have seen gifted men and women of God, fall into condemning others in the Lord, claiming
great authority, who are struck down with illness and problems, while being confused as to why.
They called out to God, thinking He would heal them to show His overcoming for them to die.

It never struck them, their ambition and self belief was their downfall, and the Lord was less
concerned about their situation and more about their impact. We are servants, we go where
we are sent, in His time. When you can grasp His sovereignty you will begin to see there is
a time to be born, a time to be healed and a time to die. Praise the Lord.

 

[Lancelot]

The Bible tells us why some aren't healed, but if you talk about it people get mad at you.
1. Unbelief - "6 But he must ask in faith, without doubting, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That man should not expect to receive anything from the Lord."(James 1:6,7) Some people will bash me for saying this, but the Bible clearly tells us that unbelief can hinder us from receiving from God.
2. Sin - "19 By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; 20 for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; 22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him." (I John 3:19-22) Just as with #1, people don't want to hear this but we have to abide by God's moral code in order to ask in faith.3. Strife - "Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered." (I Peter 3:7)
4. Not Discerning the Lord's Body - "27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died." (I Cor. 11:27-30) We can fail to discern the Lord's body through not respectfully observing communion, or by not showing love toward the brethren, or by not realizing that the Lord bore our sicknesses along with our sins on the cross.
5. Ignorance (about how faith works or God's will in healing) - "6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..." (Hosea 4:6) The more we learn about our rights and privileges as children of God and how faith works the better we'll be equipped to appropriate by faith what God has provided for us.
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[PennEd]

The Bible tells us why some aren't healed, but if you talk about it people get mad at you.
1. Unbelief - "6 But he must ask in faith, without doubting, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That man should not expect to receive anything from the Lord."(James 1:6,7) Some people will bash me for saying this, but the Bible clearly tells us that unbelief can hinder us from receiving from God.
2. Sin - "19 By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; 20 for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; 22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him." (I John 3:19-22) Just as with #1, people don't want to hear this but we have to abide by God's moral code in order to ask in faith.3. Strife - "Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered." (I Peter 3:7)
4. Not Discerning the Lord's Body - "27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died." (I Cor. 11:27-30) We can fail to discern the Lord's body through not respectfully observing communion, or by not showing love toward the brethren, or by not realizing that the Lord bore our sicknesses along with our sins on the cross.
5. Ignorance (about how faith works or God's will in healing) - "6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..." (Hosea 4:6) The more we learn about our rights and privileges as children of God and how faith works the better we'll be equipped to appropriate by faith what God has provided for us.
[FONT=&quot]Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.[/FONT]

Hey that's great Lance. Now since we know many were healed by the FAITH OF THE HEALER and NOT THE FAITH OF THE AFFLICTED, those that were demon possessed for instance, I take it YOU have faith to heal the individuals I spoke of early in this thread?

Or perhaps the truth is YOU get mad when someone calls into question YOUR faith in doing things outside the Will of God!

 

[blue_ladybug]

Notice how said persons like to deflect, and hem and haw around and not answer the question? LOL

Hey that's great Lance. Now since we know many were healed by the FAITH OF THE HEALER and NOT THE FAITH OF THE AFFLICTED, those that were demon possessed for instance, I take it YOU have faith to heal the individuals I spoke of early in this thread?

Or perhaps the truth is YOU get mad when someone calls into question YOUR faith in doing things outside the Will of God!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

seems the WOFers are real quick to tell everyone here why they are not healed but they never ever can answer the question of why everyone is not healed

just a blame game because their theology is their own...it is not found in the Bible

BUT...in order to keep up appearances, they gotta blame someone...so they blame EVERYONE who is not healed with 'you did not have enough faith or the right kind of faith and now we also have 'you just don't even believe'

this is nothing short of bullying...blame game...and spiritual abuse

I'm not even reading their posts here anymore because they have nothing new to say and condemn liberally and without regret, while those who hurt continue to hurt and are given the added hurt of beginning to think God has rejected them

telling people it is their fault if they are not healed is a cop out...a refusal to answer the question this op asks

they can't answer the question this op asks because they would have to admit that their theology is skewed

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The Bible tells us why some aren't healed, but if you talk about it people get mad at you.

again, we have everyone should be healed and if they are not healed it is their own fault

this is a lie

it has already been shown in this thread where an entire family was saved because a member of the family was healed...even though NO ONE was even thinking about praying for it, INCLUDING the speaker at the meeting

Timothy was not healed and neither was Paul

that alone cancels out the notion that everyone can be healed and if they are not healed it is their own fault

get real...either stop making things up or just quit posting

 

[Lancelot]

Hey that's great Lance. Now since we know many were healed by the FAITH OF THE HEALER and NOT THE FAITH OF THE AFFLICTED, those that were demon possessed for instance, I take it YOU have faith to heal the individuals I spoke of early in this thread?

Or perhaps the truth is YOU get mad when someone calls into question YOUR faith in doing things outside the Will of God!

I don't get mad at people. I do my best to walk in love as we're instructed to do, and to turn the other cheek. I do get annoyed though, when I see people misrepresenting what others have said in the name of defending the faith, but my response to that is basically to refute the misinfo. I haven't read through the whole thread so I don't know what you said. I don't see where I addressed the faith of the healer here. I mean, God is the healer. We are the prayers and the prayees. I have seen people healed when I prayed for them, but it's God that does the healing. Unless I have some gift of the Spirit manifest all I can do is share with the subject what God says about healing and pray in faith. If they're ready to receive they will.

 

[JaumeJ]

The only times I have been graced with works from our Father in Jesus Christ's name have beenwhen I have been out attempting to actually serve Him.

I know it is an error for any man tosay we are going to heal or I am going to heal this person in Jesus Christ's name.

Of course all works with which we are graced are only in Jesus Christ's name but we are only a vessel availing ourselves to serve. It is always God Who performs the work(s) through us..

When you are moved by the Holy Spirit to say something, He will move through you to performwhatever you are there to serve for.

One example from my own blessed experience for which I thank God for always is once when I was in a lodge-like place on the side of a mountain on Boulder Canyon Road I was moved by the Holy Spirit to get up from my seat in a kitching on the bottom of three floors built into the rise of the mountain and walk through a door on the inside wall of the room. It was night and I had never been here before,. When I walked into the room, a young man (hippie type) was sitting on his bed. Looking at me with his mouth dropped open, I continued in the Spirit through his room Because of the Holy Spirit, the lad could say nothing.......I was yount then also. I walked out through a door on the opposite side of the room into the dar moonless night.

Suddenly a young woman practically fell into my arms coming down the slope from an upper floor. Beingin the Spirit I opened my mouth and spoke. Now when we speak in the Spirit, sometimes what we say seems kind of obvious, but the words are true and to the point. I asked the young woman what was wrong. She cried with a loud voice, I am tripping and I am freaking out,. I see things under the furniture and everywhere comeing after me. I asked "Do you want to be tripping?" She screamed, "Noooooo." I replied "Jesus does not want you to be tripping either." Suddenly the power of God came through me and into her.

The, because I was not in charge, I asked because she was laughing, "What is wrong?" She replied, "I'm straight."

This girl, for she was a very young person later reconciled with her estranged husband with whom I had been sharing the Word with for some time. The two of them together worked to get a gospel preaching radio station broadcasting in the Carri bean. All of this for p being available.

If I boast I boast of Yahweh, God, for using the likes of me ever, and He worked several works using me. He is wonderful always.s..By the way, whether you believe this or not, I love everyone.....even thos with whom I seem to get naggy with. God bless you I pray always, amen.

 

[blue_ladybug]

The bible says that if we have faith the size of a mustard seed, we can do anything. Move a mountain, heal ourselves, heal others, etc etc... SOOOO, how come not one of us has ever moved a mountain or healed ourselves? Hmmmm?

God allows sickness in this mucked up world, and He heals whom He chooses to..

 

[PennEd]

I don't get mad at people. I do my best to walk in love as we're instructed to do, and to turn the other cheek. I do get annoyed though, when I see people misrepresenting what others have said in the name of defending the faith, but my response to that is basically to refute the misinfo. I haven't read through the whole thread so I don't know what you said. I don't see where I addressed the faith of the healer here. I mean, God is the healer. We are the prayers and the prayees. I have seen people healed when I prayed for them, but it's God that does the healing. Unless I have some gift of the Spirit manifest all I can do is share with the subject what God says about healing and pray in faith. If they're ready to receive they will.

Your last sentence AGAIN says that people aren't healed because they have no faith. Post 94 is where I ask for YOU to pray to heal. One person is an autistic 19 yr old boy. The other is a 2 yr old with Cystic Fibrosis. NEITHER can express faith.

You have NOT answered the question. Since MANY were healed by the faith of the healer and NOT the faith of the afflicted, tell me why YOU can't heal them. Or say you can't because it is OUTSIDE the Will of God. Or say you have no faith. Or say you can, but simply choose not to out of spite!

But what you CAN'T say, is the afflicted have no Faith!

 

[tourist]

The Bible tells us why some aren't healed, but if you talk about it people get mad at you.
1. Unbelief - "6 But he must ask in faith, without doubting, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That man should not expect to receive anything from the Lord."(James 1:6,7) Some people will bash me for saying this, but the Bible clearly tells us that unbelief can hinder us from receiving from God.
2. Sin - "19 By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; 20 for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; 22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him." (I John 3:19-22) Just as with #1, people don't want to hear this but we have to abide by God's moral code in order to ask in faith.3. Strife - "Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered." (I Peter 3:7)
4. Not Discerning the Lord's Body - "27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died." (I Cor. 11:27-30) We can fail to discern the Lord's body through not respectfully observing communion, or by not showing love toward the brethren, or by not realizing that the Lord bore our sicknesses along with our sins on the cross.
5. Ignorance (about how faith works or God's will in healing) - "6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..." (Hosea 4:6) The more we learn about our rights and privileges as children of God and how faith works the better we'll be equipped to appropriate by faith what God has provided for us.
Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.

In most cases of a person not being healed immediately or in their lifetime is because it is not God's will and desire. It has nothing to do with one's faith that they will be healed. A lot of people have faith that God can and will heal them but only at the time that God sets according to His will and desire.

Telling a sick or disabled person that the reason they are not healed is because of a lack of faith would be doing a great disservice to them and as such these words that are spoken would not be of God.

Are you saying that you know for a fact that you would be miraculous healed of a serious condition or injury the moment that you prayed for healing? That strikes me as being arrogant. Perhaps God will heal you of this heart condition. In His God time of course, according to His will and desire. You will have to pray for this though. Be patient as it may take some time.

 

[blue_ladybug]

They like to tear down other's faith, while puffing up their own... But when put on the spot, they can't give a concrete answer as to whether THEY have enough (any) faith of their own..

 

[tourist]

They like to tear down other's faith, while puffing up their own... But when put on the spot, they can't give a concrete answer as to whether THEY have enough (any) faith of their own..

That's my take too.

 

[notuptome]

They like to tear down other's faith, while puffing up their own... But when put on the spot, they can't give a concrete answer as to whether THEY have enough (any) faith of their own..

They create a lot of stumbling blocks in the path of Spiritual growth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger