Are women allowed to Preach?

[7seasrekeyed]

If I read him right, he said large groups will not work. Well our group of 80 works very well.

I think your problem might be like so many today. Just because a congregation calls itself a church don't make it so.
In my opinion, many if not most who call themselves churches are not in the eyes of God. Same may be true of those who call themselves Christians.

as I already identified the bold above as what I see? why lump me with the 'so called so many'?

I guess you were not really paying that much attention

anything else?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

ROM 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Of course, this is true. But do you not understand that one could possibly follow law with no faith, yet one cannot have faith and completely disregard all law ?. Law can be had without faith, yet faith include both law and faith. This is why faith is more powerful. No one here I have seen to argue that point.

I'd like to hear you expand more on this teaching.

 

[Dino246]

Your excerpt was not offered in good faith, but rather deception and meant to be argumentative. It purposely left out meaningful context in order to be deceptive. That practice is known as adding or subtracting from the Bible, which is spoken about at the end of your Bible in Revelation. That is no comparison to the scriptures I have given, as there has been no purpose removal of any meaningful context surrounding those verses I have provided. Your example is therefore null and void as the two are not comparable.

While you may not intentionally remove a verse from its context, you may inadvertently remove a text from very-relevant context because you happen to be unaware of the relevance of that context.

Case in point: 1 Corinthians 14:34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

By itself, that verse seems clear and direct. However, it is divorced from its context which includes verse 39, "Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues"; 12:13 "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body", and 11:5, which discusses women praying and prophesying.

By the way, where is the "Law" requiring women to be silent and/or to subject themselves (generally; there are no qualifiers given)? What shall the unmarried and widows do if they have a question?

 

[loyaldisciple]

I'd like to hear you expand more on this teaching.

I don't need to expand upon any teaching. I am simply a human. I posted scriptures, now you can decide whether you would like to obey them or not. Those are God speaking, they are not of my words. I cannot change any heart, I can only post scripture to show where God wants it to be.

So, do you disagree with the statement that "women should not be ministers" ?. If you do, then you disagree with God, as He could not have said this any more plainly in the verses I have already provided.

Now, if you or any other woman wishes to claim a man is somehow against women simply because he chooses to follow what God has said, then you make a false assumption based upon your own thinking.

 

[loyaldisciple]

While you may not intentionally remove a verse from its context, you may inadvertently remove a text from very-relevant context because you happen to be unaware of the relevance of that context.

Case in point: 1 Corinthians 14:34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.

By itself, that verse seems clear and direct. However, it is divorced from its context which includes verse 39, "Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues"; 12:13 "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body", and 11:5, which discusses women praying and prophesying.

By the way, where is the "Law" requiring women to be silent and/or to subject themselves (generally; there are no qualifiers given)? What shall the unmarried and widows do if they have a question?

The latter verses you have shown speak nothing of the church. Therefore they are not of the same context as the earlier verse.

The law requiring them to be silent in the church is right there in the verse you posted yourself. 1 Corinthians 14:34. It doesn't require them to be silent anywhere else.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Which, a church of a hundred and more people where I get fed, or just having a church where I get fed?

I usually go to a local diner after church....humor, my church is full of people most of this world rejects, me included. It's a great, miracle filled, Spirit moving church. If you ever come to Ft Lauderdale let me know and I will introduce you to my brothers and sisters.

 

[loyaldisciple]

I will tell all of you ladies truth. I have nothing against women, simply because they are women. There is nothing more beautiful in this world to a godly man than a godly woman. It is only when a woman seeks to listen to society rather than listening to God Himself that she begins to destroy her own beauty.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I am wondering if any of the ladies here have ever shouted out loud during a church service to ask the Pastor a question? Or has anyone disrupted a Pastor during a teaching in order to tell him your opinion? I know I never have and I've never seen any other woman do so. I've never seen a man do so either. Isn't it normal to sit and listen to a sermon without interrupting?

Speaking during a service is generally considered bad-mannered isn't it? Is this really a big issue in the church today?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What would you folks do if the holy spirit witnessed that a woman was the very best qualified person available? Would you follow the letter, or would you follow the spirit?

 

[loyaldisciple]

I am wondering if any of the ladies here have ever shouted out loud during a church service to ask the Pastor a question? Or has anyone disrupted a Pastor during a teaching in order to tell him your opinion? I know I never have and I've never seen any other woman do so. I've never seen a man do so either. Isn't it normal to sit and listen to a sermon without interrupting?

Speaking during a service is generally considered bad-mannered isn't it? Is this really a big issue in the church today?

I would agree Lucy, silence in the church during a sermon being given by a man is not normally an issue. The main issue is described in the thread itself: It is when women are instructing the sermon and doing the teaching inside the church. That is 100% against the instructions found in the Bible.

 

[Angela53510]

What would you folks do if the holy spirit witnessed that a woman was the very best qualified person available? Would you follow the letter, or would you follow the spirit?

I was thinking of a very similar question yesterday.

Would you rather have a man in the pulpit who is a heretic, and preaches that way, or a woman who is soundly Biblical, and leads the congregation in God’s truths?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I don't need to expand upon any teaching. I am simply a human. I posted scriptures, now you can decide whether you would like to obey them or not. Those are God speaking, they are not of my words. I cannot change any heart, I can only post scripture to show where God wants it to be.

So, do you disagree with the statement that "women should not be ministers" ?. If you do, then you disagree with God, as He could not have said this any more plainly in the verses I have already provided.

Now, if you or any other woman wishes to claim a man is somehow against women simply because he chooses to follow what God has said, then you make a false assumption based upon your own thinking.

Yes, you are correct, I disagree with the statement.

And I don't think ANY of the men who come in here are against women.
I do think they have been taught poorly on this matter, but they are not against women. Most of them are quite protective of women.

 

[loyaldisciple]

What would you folks do if the holy spirit witnessed that a woman was the very best qualified person available? Would you follow the letter, or would you follow the spirit?

That is a big IF. However, if God revealed that to be truth to me, then I would certainly follow His Spirit. As of today, I have seen no evidence God has changed His mind over what Paul stated under His authority. Therefore, in order to follow the Spirit, I will have to follow what the Bible says. This is the order that was given and I see nowhere where it has ever been changed by God. Society has changed it, but I recognize God as my instructor, not society.

 

[Dino246]

The latter verses you have shown speak nothing of the church. Therefore they are not of the same context as the earlier verse.

Paul's whole letter is written to "the church at Corinth" therefore the other verses are directly relevant.

The law requiring them to be silent in the church is right there in the verse you posted yourself. 1 Corinthians 14:34. It doesn't require them to be silent anywhere else.

Um, no. "As the Law also says" is a reference to something else outside the immediate context. Textually and logically, it cannot refer to itself.

 

[loyaldisciple]

I was thinking of a very similar question yesterday.

Would you rather have a man in the pulpit who is a heretic, and preaches that way, or a woman who is soundly Biblical, and leads the congregation in God’s truths?

The problem with that statement is that a woman cannot give any sermon and be Bible sound. Because she is already going against the Bible by giving the sermon in the first place. She has already broken God's command with the very first word she speaks. And please remember, I did not make that command, God did. I am only interested in standing in defense of all of God's commands. I don't pick and choose which ones I like or dislike. I try to go by all of them. Of course I am human just like everyone else and make mistakes, but at least I try. Those who are blatantly disregarding commands are not trying to follow them.

 

[loyaldisciple]

Yes, you are correct, I disagree with the statement.

And I don't think ANY of the men who come in here are against women.
I do think they have been taught poorly on this matter, but they are not against women. Most of them are quite protective of women.

How can you claim men that are in favor of following the exact word of God have been taught poorly ?. Does it not make more sense that the people who are not following the word of God are the ones who have been taught poorly ?.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The problem with that statement is that a woman cannot give any sermon and be Bible sound. Because she is already going against the Bible by giving the sermon in the first place.

That's what's known as circular reasoning.

 

[loyaldisciple]

Paul's whole letter is written to "the church at Corinth" therefore the other verses are directly relevant.



Um, no. "As the Law also says" is a reference to something else outside the immediate context. Textually and logically, it cannot refer to itself.

Yes it states "the law also says" which indicates it is still speaking of the law. It does not however say it is still speaking of the law "inside" the church. People can dispute all they wish. The Bible is "extremely" clear that men are to be giving the sermons.

 

[Mem]

Do I take Romans 16:1 as saying, "I commend you to our sister Phoebe, servant of the church in Cenchrea", or is it really saying, "I commend you to our sister Phoebe, server of the biscuits in Cenchrea"?

 

[loyaldisciple]

That's what's called circular reasoning.

No, it is called using perfect logic.