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AMEN! Those good works, come from the LOVE HE put in us, Rom. 5:5. It may be worthy of some kind of reward in heaven, like the Laurel Wreath Crown that Paul talks about. BUT NOT SALVATION, because Salvation is NOT a reward, it is a FREE GIFT from GOD.
1 Thessalonians 2:19-20 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Is it not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at His coming?
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For you are our glory and joy.
2 Timothy 4:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] There is reserved for me in the future the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give me on that day, and not only to me, but to all those who have loved His appearing.
2 Timothy 2:5 (NIV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Similarly, if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor's crown unless he competes according to the rules.
1 Corinthians 9:25 (HCSB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything. However, they do it to receive a crown that will fade away, but we a crown that will never fade away.
Revelation 3:11 (ESV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I am coming soon. Hold fast what you have, so that no one may seize your crown.
It does not say for sure that crown is gold, but it may be.
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here's another quote from the Bible:
looks to me like if your goal is to boast before men, yep, you're gonna need identifiable works, particularly those which benefit other humans and directly speak to human scrutiny - which isn't the same as divine judgement.
boasting ain't my goal. yours?
If Abraham was indeed justified by works, he had something to boast about,
but not before God.
(Romans 4:2)
but not before God.
(Romans 4:2)
looks to me like if your goal is to boast before men, yep, you're gonna need identifiable works, particularly those which benefit other humans and directly speak to human scrutiny - which isn't the same as divine judgement.
boasting ain't my goal. yours?
As I asked you to do please list all of the verses on salvation in the Old and New Testament This exercise is why lookup aids are needed. Keep in mind that to correctly understand an issue all pertinent verses in context need to be considered. Explain how to do this without a topical index of some kind. I use Berkhofs Systematic Theology to accomplish this. It lists every verse for every topic. At that point I can accept modify, or reject his interpretation and decide on my own interpretation. The key is every verse on each topic is listed. Since Berkhof and I are Reformed in our theology I almost always agree with him. Arminians have an opposing view of many issues and I disagree with them. However they are my brothers and sisters in Christ since they adhere to the Apostles Creed
Question, if you disagree with someone on an issue but they adhere to the Apostles Creed are they a Christian or do you reject them over that disagreement. Every time I see you posting against someone on an issue you seem to reject them as not a Christian with the attack they are not Biblical. Keep in mind the purpose of the Creed. It defines the issues to believe to be a Christian. All other issues don't impact your salvation. OSAS is an issue I can supply verses on both sides of the issue.
Question, if you disagree with someone on an issue but they adhere to the Apostles Creed are they a Christian or do you reject them over that disagreement. Every time I see you posting against someone on an issue you seem to reject them as not a Christian with the attack they are not Biblical. Keep in mind the purpose of the Creed. It defines the issues to believe to be a Christian. All other issues don't impact your salvation. OSAS is an issue I can supply verses on both sides of the issue.
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Happy Resurrection Day, Y'all
Praise Jesus who took our place on a cross who was crucified, buried and raised from the dead on the third day that we shall be raised to newness of life, Praise God! Because He lives we shall live also.
"Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also." John14:19
Happy Resurrection Day, Y'all
Praise Jesus who took our place on a cross who was crucified, buried and raised from the dead on the third day that we shall be raised to newness of life, Praise God! Because He lives we shall live also.
"Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also." John14:19
Hi decon, when people use the acronym OSAS, it just shows there lack of knowledge. "There is no doctrine of the Christian Church called OSAS." This acronym is used in debates when someone is trying to disprove the "eternal security of the believer."
There is however a doctrine of the Church called, the "Eternal Security of the Believer", but the workers plus grace to keep yourself saved will not acknowledge this because it cannot be dis-proven. However the workers to keep their salvation can and have been dis-proven to be a false gospel over
and over again on this thread.
God bless!
There is however a doctrine of the Church called, the "Eternal Security of the Believer", but the workers plus grace to keep yourself saved will not acknowledge this because it cannot be dis-proven. However the workers to keep their salvation can and have been dis-proven to be a false gospel over
and over again on this thread.
God bless!
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Psalm 49:13-14 This is the fate of those who trust in themselves, and of their followers, who approve their sayings. Selah Like sheep they are destined for the grave, and death will feed on them. The upright will rule over them in the morning; their forms will decay in the grave, far from their princely mansions.
Revelation 3:1-6 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but YOU ARE DEAD. WAKE UP! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT, AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I WILL NEVER BLOT OUT HIS NAME FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. HE WHO HAS AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR what the Spirit says to the churches.
Revelation 3:1-6 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but YOU ARE DEAD. WAKE UP! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT, AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I WILL NEVER BLOT OUT HIS NAME FROM THE BOOK OF LIFE, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. HE WHO HAS AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR what the Spirit says to the churches.
I apologise for incorrectly labelling you an SDA, if you are not!
Nonetheless, your comment about the Jesus Christ being your High Priest, yet claiming that the law is still operational just means that you are completely mixed up as to what covenant you are part of!
The New covenant is not the Sinaitic covenant!
The Sinaitic covenant cannot be separated from the Torah. The Sinaitic covenant is abrogated in the institution of the New covenant - all of it, lock, stock, and barrel!
If you are placing yourself under a redundant covenant the least you could do is to fully observe its statutes!
Considering the Sinaitic covenant was a covenant between God and Israelites, and the only way to distinguish an Israelite from anyone else was physical circumcision, then perhaps you had better get yourself circumcised...
Then you need to consider how you are going to obey the sacrificial laws...
And so it goes, all told to 613 separate laws!
As it stands you are following a syncretic mess from two different and mutually exclusive covenants....
The Sinaitic covenant demands obedience to the laws of the Torah!
The New covenant offers justification by grace through faith in Jesus Christ - nothing more and nothing less!
Any legal demands of the Torah are done away with through the cross....
There is no doubt that the New covenant has ethical demands, nine of the ten commandments (with the exception of the Sabbath) for example are confirmed as part of the New covenant. However, a much higher ethic is actually demanded, which is actually a law of love summed up in Rom 13:10 and Gal 5:13-14, but spelled out in no uncertain terms in Gal 5:16-23.
Gal 5:23 even says this: "[FONT="]Against such there is no law.[/FONT]"!
You are following the law that can only have one effect for you - condemn you utterly and irrevocably...
Yet in Jesus Christ there is justification by grace through faith, salvation, and liberty!
Nonetheless, your comment about the Jesus Christ being your High Priest, yet claiming that the law is still operational just means that you are completely mixed up as to what covenant you are part of!
The New covenant is not the Sinaitic covenant!
The Sinaitic covenant cannot be separated from the Torah. The Sinaitic covenant is abrogated in the institution of the New covenant - all of it, lock, stock, and barrel!
If you are placing yourself under a redundant covenant the least you could do is to fully observe its statutes!
Considering the Sinaitic covenant was a covenant between God and Israelites, and the only way to distinguish an Israelite from anyone else was physical circumcision, then perhaps you had better get yourself circumcised...
Then you need to consider how you are going to obey the sacrificial laws...
And so it goes, all told to 613 separate laws!
As it stands you are following a syncretic mess from two different and mutually exclusive covenants....
The Sinaitic covenant demands obedience to the laws of the Torah!
The New covenant offers justification by grace through faith in Jesus Christ - nothing more and nothing less!
Any legal demands of the Torah are done away with through the cross....
There is no doubt that the New covenant has ethical demands, nine of the ten commandments (with the exception of the Sabbath) for example are confirmed as part of the New covenant. However, a much higher ethic is actually demanded, which is actually a law of love summed up in Rom 13:10 and Gal 5:13-14, but spelled out in no uncertain terms in Gal 5:16-23.
Gal 5:23 even says this: "[FONT="]Against such there is no law.[/FONT]"!
You are following the law that can only have one effect for you - condemn you utterly and irrevocably...
Yet in Jesus Christ there is justification by grace through faith, salvation, and liberty!
J
Hmm well to be honest at around half way through my second shift at work I realized that the words "had no sin" concerning Jesus wasn't entirely accurate considering the sins on him were ours and so despite them not being his he still in a sense possessed them,but didn't recall these verses,of course it's been a few years since I read through the entire bible and not all scriptures come to mind even in the spirit,especially books of the bible like "Numbers" I nearly get a headache just thinking about all those measurements and numberings,sheesh,though it's certainly a testament that God is wise.
I have been mulling over why I disagree with your Bible only attitude It is because you reject the hard earned wisdom of fellow Christians who have studied the Bible and lived through struggles in life trying to walk in the narrow path. Paul wrote about his struggles with the law of sin that lived in him and ALL OF US. We gain wisdom from living life. The older we get the more hard earned wisdom we obtain learned by both doing right and the painful failing to do right. This is the wisdom you reject.