Is the Holy Spirit showing us God can be anywhere and everywhere at the same time (Omnipresent|Omniscient)?

[KingdomBrat]

Well, when we accept Christ and some when they get Baptized are filled with the Holy Spirit much like we see the Dove descending upon Christ.
But just because God speaks here to John, doesn't mean the Father hasn't been living inside Christ the whole time.
I will agree this is [possibly the moment] where Christ is filled with the Holy Spirit.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Well, when we accept Christ and some when they get Baptized are filled with the Holy Spirit much like we see the Dove descending upon Christ.
But just because God speaks here to John, doesn't mean the Father hasn't been living inside Christ the whole time.
I will agree this is [possibly the moment] where Christ is filled with the Holy Spirit.

Christ is the Father, so I'm talking about completing the full Holy Trinity at Baptism. I don't know if it means anything, but when did Jesus say this? "I and my Father are one. " Was it after?

 

[KingdomBrat]

Christ is the Father, so I'm talking about completing the full Holy Trinity at Baptism. I don't know if it means anything, but when did Jesus say this? "I and my Father are one. " Was it after?

Yes, After.
But we must remember context.
This was like in John 8 when Yesuah said He was [I AM], He's talking to the religious nutjobs when making this claim. But we have 2 definitive occasions where Yeshua is telling them I AM YOUR GOD MORONS!

 

[CS1]

Why do we bother making a distinction between the Three unless One can function without the Others? Are you saying to be fully God, Jesus has to have full connection to the Holy Trinity? This is only about the years before Baptism.

WE make a distinction of the "Three" because the Word of God does.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

WE make a distinction of the "Three" because the Word of God does.

You're not considering what it means for God to become man. We are arguing about 30 years. Of course the Holy Trinity is in full force today. Jesus rejoined with Baptism ..otherwise He could have just shown up here without being born a human.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

the Spirit of Christ is distinct from the Holy Spirit as is the Holy Spirit personification distinct from the Son.

Is The Father and Christ the same Spirit?

 

[CS1]

You're not considering what it means for God to become man. We are arguing about 30 years. Of course the Holy Trinity is in full force today. Jesus rejoined with Baptism ..otherwise He could have just shown up here without being born a human.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say " Jesus rejoined with Baptism". As far as considering for God to become a man is not a hard thing to accept, as God can do anything.

 

[CS1]

Is The Father and Christ the same Spirit?

They are distinctly different yet they are one.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

They are distinctly different yet they are one.

I'm not so sure about this one. Christ is The Father's representation. I don't see a reason for them to be distinct as far as their Spirit goes. The Holy Spirit can be seen as distinct from Them.

 

[tourist]

I'm not so sure about this one. Christ is The Father's representation. I don't see a reason for them to be distinct as far as their Spirit goes. The Holy Spirit can be seen as distinct from Them.

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate entities comprising one God. Jesus said He must ascend to the Father and it is to our advantage for Jesus to send to us the Holy Spirit.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate entities comprising one God. Jesus said He must ascend to the Father and it is to our advantage for Jesus to send to us the Holy Spirit.

I think it is a difference in dimensions. God the Father is in higher dimensions while still connected to the same Spirit as Christ in our dimensions. ..like the reverse of an iceberg poking out of the sea.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The price of God becoming Man was temporarily disconnecting from the Holy Spirit until Baptism. I don't know if it was a total disconnect, but there was some kind of difference before and after Baptism. This means we should have a new holiday equal to Christmas.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Or course God could have made the connection to the Holy Spirit at birth, but the date of the Baptism was on purpose.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I hesitate to type this ..it might be bad, I'm not sure.

Maybe it wasn't a good idea to have the full power of the Holy Trinity in a Child. Maybe a human child can't handle that, even if it is Jesus. These flesh bags are limiting.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The reason we can't see God the Father is because He is in a higher dimension than what we can perceive. Christ is His representation for these lower dimensions. The plan and design are handed to Christ and He makes them happen with the Word.

So how does the Holy Spirit fit in? I get the Holy Spirit is in us, but I think the Spirit may be more involved than that. Like connected to matter and waves. Or maybe something to do with Time. Did the Holy Spirit take the Word from Christ and turn it into what we have right now?

Is the Holy Spirit known for Power and Love? Is the Holy Spirit about mind and heart?

Is the Holy Spirit the Universal Wave and Universal Observer? Does the Holy Spirit cause wave collapse/physicality?

The Holy Spirit creator:​

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30 Thou sendest forth thy Spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. (Psalm 104:30 KJV)​

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The Triune God, the one that spoke and commanded, the Word/Son of God made the universe and by the Holy Spirit (breath of God) too:​

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6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.​

(Psalm 33:6-9 KJV)​

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1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.​

(Genesis 1:1-3 KJV)​

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via Lucha Tijuanera​

Does the Holy Spirit originate from more dimensions than we can perceive like the Father?

We know the Holy Spirit to be: Comforter, the source of all things, light, hope, peace, true Godly Love, forgiveness mercy and truth.​

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via Pilgrimshope​

If Love is Entanglement, then The Holy Spirit is partially the Quantum Fields. An Universal Observer would be using the Quantum Fields.

2 Corinthians 4:18​

For the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.​

Quantum Waves are not seen. There is an entire side to our reality that is virtual ..unseen.

Is there something to the Holy Spirit being a Ghost in the virtual side of reality?

Is there a preexisting network for the Holy Spirit to traverse? In Quantum Mechanics it is called all possible paths. It is basically the Electromagnetic vector field ..what Light uses to propagate. I don't think it is a coincidence that we describe God as Light. I think this networks is directly tied to omnipresence.

The Ghost has the option to be everywhere at the same time if the Spirit wants. That's what all possible paths of the Electromagnetic vector field are about.

I don't know why I wasn't considering the Holy Ghost to be an actual Ghost. This one is extremely special.

Doesn't omnipresence sound like something the Holy Spirit would handle? A part of Him to report to God the Father who in another dimension?

really interesting and thorough read thanks for taking the time to post this
Inspires a lot of consideration

if I were to conclude what I take from what you are saying is the Holy Ghost being sent out into the world through Christ , was how Gods presence filled everything everywhere ?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

really interesting and thorough read thanks for taking the time to post this
Inspires a lot of consideration

if I were to conclude what I take from what you are saying is the Holy Ghost being sent out into the world through Christ , was how Gods presence filled everything everywhere ?

Yes, more scientific evidence that points to God. We just have to say to an unbeliever, "do you know what an interference pattern is?".

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, more scientific evidence that points to God. We just have to say to an unbeliever, "do you know what an interference pattern is?".

always alenjoy when someone offers
Me a different way to see the same thkngs it opens up a lot of study opportunities that lead to edification

I appreciate this post a lot.

no but I would like to please explain

 

[pittsburghjoe]

This thread continued to make big discovers. The individual posts are not long so don't let the page number put you off.


Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Did Jesus use The Father and Holy Spirit to perform the miracles while He was a Man? Was this necessary to die for all sins?

 

[CS1]

I'm not so sure about this one. Christ is The Father's representation. I don't see a reason for them to be distinct as far as their Spirit goes. The Holy Spirit can be seen as distinct from Them.

well Ok, but FYI I hold the Trinity doctrine and believe the Divine nature of god can't be fully understood by finite man.

 

[CS1]

The price of God becoming Man was temporarily disconnecting from the Holy Spirit until Baptism. I don't know if it was a total disconnect, but there was some kind of difference before and after Baptism. This means we should have a new holiday equal to Christmas.

This about what you just said :

"The price of God becoming Man was temporarily disconnecting from the Holy Spirit until Baptism"


Does the word of God support such a claim? I would argue that the Holy Spirit was completely connected to the Birth of Jesus and never was a time HE was not with Jesus.

1 The Holy Spirit was there at the incarnation and conception of Jesus
2. The Holy Spirit was with HIm in HIS youth as they were all astonished at his ability to teach and know the word of God at 12
3. The Holy Spirit was present as the baptism of Jesus and the Voice of the Father who said this is my Son whom I am well pleased.
God the Father was not saying NOW Jesus is my Son God the Father was Signifying This is my ONLY SON which means Jesus is eternal.