It is when you start with Christ as the elected one and abstractly/incorrectly derive the service of His followers to be election,
You just miss the point. I started with Jesus Christ as The Chosen (Elected) One. He was elected. For what, exactly? Service.
Ever hear of the "suffering servant"? That is Jesus Christ. Throughout the gospels He made the point that He was serving His Father.
Providing service is NOT Election.
Then give me a verse that shows election being to salvation.
I don't know which verse(s) you are referring to regarding angels and Israel,
Good grief. They were included in my long list. So you really DIDN'T read through it.
Here are the verses regarding angels being elected:
Angels were elected to service:
1 Tim 5:21 - I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and
the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.
Heb 1:7 - In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes
his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.”
Heb 1:14 - Are not
all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
Rev 19:10 - At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that!
I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”
Rev 22:8,9
8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.
9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that!
I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”
Very clear.
Now, for the nation of Israel:
Election of Israel: Amos 3:2 "You only have I chosen among all the families of the earth; Therefore, I will punish you for all your iniquities."
Deut 7:6 "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.
Luke 11:54 “He has helped his servant Israel, remembering to be merciful”
Again, very clear.
Not according to the verses that I provided.
Honestly, I haven't seen ANY verses that you provided that shows election being to salvation. You only presume they mean that.
I have provided verses that clearly show the purpose of election being to service.
Grace is given to the Election unto salvation.
This doesn't make sense. Where do you get this idea from in the Bible?
Service is a product of salvation, but after the fact.
No it is NOT a "product" of salvation, as if it is automatic or guaranteed. But of course, that is what calvinists presume.
If service as a product of salvation was automatic or guaranteed, there would have been NO NEED for all the commands for it.
It is commanded BECAUSE it isn't automatic or guaranteed. Not even Eph 2:10 shows it will occur. In fact, just the opposite.
Here (post #2113):
[Mat 24:24, 31 KJV]
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect. ...
Nothing about salvation from election. It only describes people as being elect.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Ditto.
[Luk 18:7 KJV]
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
[Rom 8:33 KJV]
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? [It is] God that justifieth.
[Col 3:12 KJV]
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
[1Pe 1:2 KJV]
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
[Mar 13:22, 27 KJV]
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect. ...
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
[Tit 1:1 KJV] 1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
[Rom 11:5-6 KJV]
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
All of these verses mention "the elect" or "election" but NONE of them shows election to be for salvation.
I really can't understand why you CAN'T see that. It is glaringly obvious.
No, I don't assume anything.
Of course you are. You STILL haven't provided any verses that actually show that election is to salvation.
This is why the Bible instructs that no verse of Scripture is of any private interpretation.
Then please QUITE doing it!!!!! Quote verses that actually show that the purpose of election is to salvation. You have NOT DONE THAT yet. But you've certainly presumed that verses mean that.
We are to associate other verses to draw a correct interpretation.
Precisely what my long list does. I have associated verses about those who were elected to show WHY they were elected. iow, the purpose of their election was to service.
btw, you haven't commented on Judas and John 6;70,71. He was chosen, along with the 11, but he was chosen as the one who would betray Him. And you cannot deny that. So these verses prove my point about election.
Do you believe that Judas was chosen to salvation?
To answer your question directly, we are shown this by the below verse: grace saved by grace.
[Eph 2:8 KJV]
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
It is "clearly" to you perhaps, but I disagree.
Why do you quote this verse? It's not about election or it would have mentioned election. It is about how one is saved; which is THROUGH FAITH.