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RichMan said:
What you are saying is that your salvation depends on your actions, works, not on the work of Jesus.
To depend on yourself is very dangerous.
You cannot keep yourself saved.
As for Judas, he was never saved, He had many opportunities but chose to reject Jesus.
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Again, what would be the purpose of Judgement Day if you are saved forever by the ransom of Jesus Christ.
RichMan said:
What you are saying is that your salvation depends on your actions, works, not on the work of Jesus.
To depend on yourself is very dangerous.
You cannot keep yourself saved.
As for Judas, he was never saved, He had many opportunities but chose to reject Jesus.
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1 Corinth 10:33 - The Bible strictly advises to "keep doing the will of God" until the end of this World. His disciples did not stop preaching once Jesus ascended back to Heaven. The work never stops. The scriptures say after you have done all that you have to do, maybe you might be saved. Acts 17:31, Mathew 25:46, Acts 10:42 If everybody where already judged, why would we need a Judgement Day? We are considered by our works, but we are also considered because the effects of the ransom that allots us all to even be considered righteous. Mathew 24:14
 
RizenPhoenix said:
Again, what would be the purpose of Judgement Day if
you are saved forever by the ransom of Jesus Christ.
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Precious friend, please notice The Judgment Of The ETERNALLY
Saved (Ransomed By The BLOOD!) Body Of CHRIST, In Heaven:

Will we receive reward, according to our "labour"?:

1Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and
every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

1Co 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry,
ye are God's building.

1Co 3:10 According to The GRACE Of God Which Is Given unto me, as a
wise masterbuilder, I have laid The Foundation, and another buildeth
Thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth Thereupon.

1Co 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than That Is Laid, Which Is JESUS CHRIST.

1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon This Foundation
gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for The {JUDGMENT}
Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall
try every man's work of what sort it is.

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built Thereupon,
he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:
but he himself Shall Be Saved; yet so as by fire.
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Conclusion: ETERNAL Salvation By CHRIST, His BLOOD, And His Resurrection,
is one thing; our "works For rewards" is Quite Another! Amen?

GRACE And Peace...
 
GRACE_ambassador said:
Precious friend, please notice The Judgment Of The ETERNALLY
Saved (Ransomed By The BLOOD!) Body Of CHRIST, In Heaven:

Will we receive reward, according to our "labour"?:

1Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and
every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

1Co 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry,
ye are God's building.

1Co 3:10 According to The GRACE Of God Which Is Given unto me, as a
wise masterbuilder, I have laid The Foundation, and another buildeth
Thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth Thereupon.

1Co 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than That Is Laid, Which Is JESUS CHRIST.

1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon This Foundation
gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for The {JUDGMENT}
Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall
try every man's work of what sort it is.

1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built Thereupon,
he shall receive a reward.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss:
but he himself Shall Be Saved; yet so as by fire.
---------------------
Conclusion: ETERNAL Salvation By CHRIST, His BLOOD, And His Resurrection,
is one thing; our "works For rewards" is Quite Another! Amen?

GRACE And Peace...
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You are partially correct. Please consider the following in your analysis;...".faith without works is dead"....?
Caution...the Bible tells us...we cannot work or buy our way into Heaven/Eternal Salvation. We must use common sense.

We are to work for our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ as part of living righteously.
 
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peldom10 said:
You are partially correct. Please consider the following in your analysis;...".faith without works is dead"....?
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Depends Which "Dispensation" you are referring to. In this analysis, ie:

"Prophecy/"Dispensation of the law" {earthly} Christ And The TWELVE apostles,
gospel of the kingdom, ISRAEL prominent {past/future} = "faith without works
is dead." Question: Is This "God's pattern" for us today? Or:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

"Mystery/"Dispensation" of GRACE!" {Heavenly!} Gospel Of GRACE, Jew And Gentile
"Equal!" {Current, Today!} for The Body Of CHRIST! CHRIST, And ONE apostle TO THE
GENTILES!

Is this our Godly “Pattern to follow!” (1 Timothy 1:16) compare: (1 Corinthians 4:16)
(1 Corinthians 11:1)?

"Salvation by GRACE Through faith, apart from works" Is DIFFERENT than
"works for rewards." Amen?

GRACE and Peace...
 
OSAS is a man made doctrine based on a few scriptures taken out of context.
The most aggreious part is that ALL your sins have been forgiven past ( yes) present ( if you've repented), future ( if you sin and take it to Jesus and ask forgiven).
This glossing over of the relationship to God is abhorrent.

We have an Advocate,why,bc if we sin we take it to Jesus and ask forgiveness!

Our slate is perfect when we are first redeemed bc we put on his righteousness. We will sin for we are fleshy and not glorified yet.

In my mind a more abominable doctrine is Calvinism. Why,bc they teach by one man's wrong INTERPERTATION that God ELECTS some to heaven and some to hell.
This is more so against the word than any doctrines except blatant cults!

People that trust in man to TELL them what God's word says instead of leaning on our teacher,the Holy Spirit lack the desire to KNOW GOD!
 
Gardenias said:
OSAS is a man made doctrine based on a few scriptures taken out of context.
The most aggreious part is that ALL your sins have been forgiven past ( yes) present ( if you've repented), future ( if you sin and take it to Jesus and ask forgiven).
This glossing over of the relationship to God is abhorrent.

We have an Advocate,why,bc if we sin we take it to Jesus and ask forgiveness!

Our slate is perfect when we are first redeemed bc we put on his righteousness. We will sin for we are fleshy and not glorified yet.

In my mind a more abominable doctrine is Calvinism. Why,bc they teach by one man's wrong INTERPERTATION that God ELECTS some to heaven and some to hell.
This is more so against the word than any doctrines except blatant cults!

People that trust in man to TELL them what God's word says instead of leaning on our teacher,the Holy Spirit lack the desire to KNOW GOD!
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Pitiful
 
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I do not care how many believe in OSAS or ES,I live by the word!
You all are free to live as you see it!

Therefore even though our opinions may differ I pray we all are in heaven!
 
Gardenias said:
OSAS is a man made doctrine based on a few scriptures taken out of context.
The most aggreious part is that ALL your sins have been forgiven past ( yes) present ( if you've repented), future ( if you sin and take it to Jesus and ask forgiven).
This glossing over of the relationship to God is abhorrent.
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[1Jo 3:9 KJV] 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Gardenias said:
Our slate is perfect when we are first redeemed bc we put on his righteousness. We will sin for we are fleshy and not glorified yet.
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[Rom 7:8 KJV]
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.

[Rom 6:14, 18 KJV]
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. ...
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Gardenias said:
In my mind a more abominable doctrine is Calvinism. Why,bc they teach by one man's wrong INTERPERTATION that God ELECTS some to heaven and some to hell.
This is more so against the word than any doctrines except blatant cults!

People that trust in man to TELL them what God's word says instead of leaning on our teacher,the Holy Spirit lack the desire to KNOW GOD!
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Understanding/believing in election is not the trusting of a man, it is the very foundation of the Bible

God elected only to salvation; Satan, Adam and Eve (not God), are responsible for the judgment of mankind

[1Co 15:21 KJV]
21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead.
[1Co 15:22 KJV]
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Without election to salvation, there cannot be mercy or grace, with works only remaining, and therefore, no salvation.
 
GRACE_ambassador said:
Depends Which "Dispensation" you are referring to. In this analysis, ie:

"Prophecy/"Dispensation of the law" {earthly} Christ And The TWELVE apostles,
gospel of the kingdom, ISRAEL prominent {past/future} = "faith without works
is dead." Question: Is This "God's pattern" for us today? Or:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

"Mystery/"Dispensation" of GRACE!" {Heavenly!} Gospel Of GRACE, Jew And Gentile
"Equal!" {Current, Today!} for The Body Of CHRIST! CHRIST, And ONE apostle TO THE
GENTILES!

Is this our Godly “Pattern to follow!” (1 Timothy 1:16) compare: (1 Corinthians 4:16)
(1 Corinthians 11:1)?

"Salvation by GRACE Through faith, apart from works" Is DIFFERENT than
"works for rewards." Amen?

GRACE and Peace...
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There is only one.
 
Gardenias said:
I do not care how many believe in OSAS or ES,I live by the word!
You all are free to live as you see it!

Therefore even though our opinions may differ I pray we all are in heaven!
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We all try to live by the word.
But I see a real problem on this forum.
A lot of misinformation is posted about people that have had a label put on what they believe.
Some who believe in tongues believe those who do not are not saved but most do not.
We all need to not make accusations about people we do not know.
 
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peldom10 said:
There is no scripture that allies itself with OSAS...in any way with the KJV 1611 edition of the Bible.
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there is no Scripture that says gentiles and modern Christians have to keep the Sabbath to be right with God, but you sure do push the lie that they do.
 
RizenPhoenix said:
Again, what would be the purpose of Judgement Day if you are saved forever by the ransom of Jesus Christ.
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To receive the actual inheritances - to the one to eternal life; to the other, judgment

[Mat 25:34 KJV] 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

[Mat 25:41 KJV] 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
 
gb9 said:
there is no Scripture that says gentiles and modern Christians have to keep the Sabbath to be right with God, but you sure do push the lie that they do.
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Who are you to call another a liar without proof.
You have been reported.
 
peldom10 said:
Who are you to call another a liar without proof.
You have been reported.
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gentile Christians were never Commanded to keep the Jewish Sabbath.

saying that one must is a lie.

you have not said that here, but have plenty of times in other threads.

and, as to this thread, the only thing i would ban is Sabbath keeping by modern gentile Christians to be right with God.
 
RichMan said:
We all try to live by the word.
But I see a real problem on this forum.
A lot of misinformation is posted about people that have had a label put on what they believe.
Some who believe in tongues believe those who do not are not saved but most do not.
We all need to not make accusations about people we do not know.
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I am sorry. I did not mean it to hurt.
It is not judgment to say who is or isn't ready to meet God!

I will refrain from communication on controversial threads,which means I'll stay off BDF.
I would never want to cause hurt to my brethren.
You are right about labels.
I myself have been attached by the as a salvation loser bc I believe even after salvation you can reject your faith.
Been call unsaved or never with us.
Told bc I don't see ES until we make it to the end as having a doctrine of devil's.
So you see I too understand.
NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP ME FROM WINNING THE RACE!
 
Gardenias said:
I am sorry. I did not mean it to hurt.
It is not judgment to say who is or isn't ready to meet God!

I will refrain from communication on controversial threads,which means I'll stay off BDF.
I would never want to cause hurt to my brethren.
You are right about labels.
I myself have been attached by the as a salvation loser bc I believe even after salvation you can reject your faith.
Been call unsaved or never with us.
Told bc I don't see ES until we make it to the end as having a doctrine of devil's.
So you see I too understand.
NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP ME FROM WINNING THE RACE!
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I am not hurt and as much as we may disagree, please do not leave.
 
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