Think you misunderstand the Bible. When those who are elect become saved/born again, they do not just wake up one morning knowing all Christian doctrines of behavior. Instead, they must learn from Scripture. In your last highlighted verses, you seem to miss the "children of disobedience" part. The "children of disobedience" are the unsaved, possibly non-elect. As unsaved, they will not be able to comprehend the symbolism of that verse and the directions it actually sets-forth, so they will not be able to conform to it. While the elect need to be informed, they will come to an understanding of the admonition, take it to heart, and try to conform to it. The part you miss is that in the following of it, the elect do not become saved because they are already saved. The
children of disobedience on the other hand believe that it, along with the following of other biblical admonitions, will lead them to salvation.
“Think you misunderstand the Bible.”
“Instead, they must learn from Scripture. In your last highlighted verses, you seem to miss the "children of disobedience" part. The "children of disobedience" are the unsaved, possibly non-elect.” A
Your right
we need To learn from scriptire let’s do that . the children of disobedience are those who live like Paul is talking about it’s a warning to the church not to live like that because it will include them in that group that’s the whole point of it
look at what he’s saying the church
“But
fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For
this ye know, that
no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for
because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:5-7 KJV
It’s a warning telling the church “you can’t keep living in those ways you have to live right now “ he’s saying don’t let anyone deceive you because the wrath of God comes because of living that way ( in disobedience )
it’s repeated many times in many ways in Paul’s writings consistently he even makes the point I’ve told you before and tell you again
“This I say then,
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Now
the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:16, 19-21 KJV
he’s telling the church this stuff as a clear warning that grace doesn’t mean how we live doesn’t matter. It’s a consistent thing paul repeats to the church it’s meant to warn believers to repent and start living the faith of the gospel
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV
he keeps saying “ don’t be deceived if you live these ways your not going to inherit the kingdom “ he’s saying these things in nearly every epistle. I don’t think it’s that I don’t understand I think it’s that I’m not willing to pretend it doesn’t apply to the church because of some other verse talking about election
We need to convert from those sinful ways to christs ways is what Paul’s point is not that we need to be “ sinless “ but we need to let the scripture in because that’s what shapes our faith and brings us to repentance and righteousness
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Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: for which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
in the which ye also walked some time,
when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
and have
put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Put on therefore,
as the elect of God, holy and
beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.”
Colossians 3:5-10, 12-13 KJV
We agree though we need to learn what the scriptures are teaching us and not to explain why they don’t really apply because this is true
“For
we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ;
that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
2 Corinthians 5:10-11 KJV
we need to accept these thkngs just like we accept the other parts in the same epistles and God will do the rest.
it’s not conditionless and faith requires us to hear the word and believe is all I’m saying no ones lost who believes but we may condemn ourselves if we don’t hear the truth and respond
