Technological Signs relating to Christ’s Coming are being fulfilled.

[Wansvic]

And there you go. That is NOT the temple mount; it is the 36 Antonia fortress Roman garrison. Exactly where Acts 21 and Josephus said it was. As I said....Biblical literacy and situational awareness. The futurists have both.

Act 21:32
Who immediately took soldiers and centurions, and ran down unto them: and when they saw the chief captain and the soldiers, they left beating of Paul.

Watch these videos. PLEASE. The actual location of the Temple is in the CITY OF DAVID.....ISRAELI TERRITORY...RIGHT NOW. A fact now utterly conclusive beyond a shadow of a doubt. The Gihon spring and Hezekiah's tunnel is NOT located on the Antonia garrison.

Thank you for sharing! God's word trumps tradition every time.

 

[cv5]

I have been pondering about these verses too. Could someone address these @cv5 Do you have any input on these verses and how they relate to the state of Israel?

My mind is not made up on the subject but I see the foundation of Israel as a miracle. They beat 5 countries that attacked them simultaneously in 1967, completely outnumbered. I know they are an antichrist state meaning they deny Christ both jews and muslims, BUT ive been thinking about it like this:

In Zechariah 14 the nations are gathered against Israel, correct? Who is doing the gathering of these nations? its GOD and it seems like its about PUNISHMENT to Israel. Now think about this: WHY would God punish an obedient Israel like the one mentioned in Deuteronomy? It wouldn't make much sense, but if Israel was gathered in unbelief, and then punished for it and THEN a 3rd is refined and saved when Jesus returns as we see in Zechariah 14, and then the nations are punished. Wouldn't this timeline fit? What do you guys think?

Good morning. Yes, I DO in fact believe that the renewal of the Nation Israel is miraculous and prophetic.
See the contents of this post. BTW.....the number 2520 (360 X 7) itself is SUPER PROPHETIC by its very nature!

"2520 (360 day) years from both 606BC (1948 nation) and 586BC (1967 Jerusalem). Not a coincidence, not by a longshot.
The precise day for setting the start of prophetic clock is known for the 1967 retaking of Jerusalem."
Basically "430 years (Eze 4) minus 70 years time served times 7 more times for your sins (Lev 26) = 2520 years"

https://christianchat.com/threads/matthew-24-34-fig-tree-generation.209931/post-5032570

Furthermore, the so-called "temple mount" is NOT the location of the True Temple. The western wall and 36 acre platform is UNDOUBTEDLY Antonia Fortress complex! The Temple is ACTUALLY located to the south and lower in elevation, in the City of David......Israeli territory. They can rebuild the temple RIGHT NOW with no interference from the Muslims.

Take the time to read the content of what @VCO has compiled on his thread on the matter. GREAT research. He has done his homework!

https://christianchat.com/threads/t...oming-are-being-fulfilled.209446/post-5021500
https://christianchat.com/threads/third-temple-news.155526/post-5021275
https://christianchat.com/threads/third-temple-news.155526/post-5023983

 

[cv5]

Also concider what is written in the book of the Revelation of John.
‘I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 2:9 NASB1995
Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you.
Revelation 3:9 NASB1995
Here God calls them a synagog of satan.

My personal view on their "victory" in 67 is part of a great deception designed to mislead christians into a satanic backward version of zionism. The same with rebuilding the temple and attempting to breed the "red heifer"
If you read the description of the temple in Ezekiel, this is not a thing that can be done by any human. Its not a man made temple. This is God's temple. What ever they build in the nation state of Israel will be a counterfeit.

It's just a "temp" buddy. It exists solely for the purpose of fulfilling prophecy. And this "temp temple" will be NOTHING like the scale and glorious grandeur of the massive MILLENNIAL TEMPLE of Ezekiel.

https://christianchat.com/threads/5...ure-by-dr-john-f-walvoord.198357/post-4541935
https://christianchat.com/threads/how-many-people-think-the-jews-could-be-wrong.208379/post-4970678

Which is fitting of the circumstances. The AC get a crummy temple that will be destroyed anyways in 3-1/2 years. Jesus gets a glorious Temple that will exist unchallenged for the millennium.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I dont deny there are fake jews, there definitely is, but according to Bible prophecy there are real jews in Jerusalem today as well

Correct, because The Gospel Of Grace (and Mercy) Is For "both Jew and Gentile"
Today:

Rom_3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we​

have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;​

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Rom_9:24 Even us, whom He hath called, not of the​

Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?​

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1Co_10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles,​

nor to the church of God:​

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1Ti_2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers,​

intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;​

​

Praise God, we can do this, and when both Jew and Gentile believe,
God Can Do This?:

1Co_12:13 For By One Spirit are we all Baptized into One Body,​

whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and​

have been all made to drink into One Spirit.​

​

Resulting In?:

Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free,​

there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.​

+

Col_3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision​

nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but​

Christ is all, and in all.​

​

Amen.
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Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)! + RICH Blessings

 

[GaryA]

I dont deny there are fake jews, there definitely is, but according to Bible prophecy there are real jews in Jerusalem today as well

Just because there are real jews in Jerusalem today does not mean that the nation is the real-and-true nation of Israel from a biblical historical perspective.

Indeed, the nation of Israel today is a form of counterfeit.

The Israel that exists today is not "true Israel" (as a nation) from a biblical point of view - it will not exist until after the Second Coming of Christ.

Many people think the 'dry bones' prophecy was fulfilled in 1948/1967. It was not. Jesus Himself will fulfill it when He comes.

By some modern-day political definition - yes. According to Biblical prophecy - no.

People think the 'dry bones' prophecy was fulfilled in 1948/1967. Not so. And, it will not be so until Jesus returns.

 

[GaryA]

Yes, I DO in fact believe that the renewal of the Nation Israel is miraculous and prophetic.

"2520 (360 day) years from both 606BC (1948 nation) and 586BC (1967 Jerusalem). Not a coincidence, not by a longshot.

When are you going to realize that these things were caused to come about - exactly when they did - exactly the way they did - by people who understood the prophecy well and wanted to use it for their agenda...???

When are you going to realize that the absolute majority of things that happen today are very calculated, planned to every detail, and executed "right on schedule" according to an agenda for world domination?

Furthermore, the so-called "temple mount" is NOT the location of the True Temple.

For what it is worth, I have known about this for years. I believe that the extreme lack of knowledge concerning it is also being 'utilized' by those same people for their agenda.

 

[GaryA]

There is no "third temple being rebuilt in Israel during a 7-year 'tribulation' period" in biblical prophecy.

 

[GaryA]

A proper understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 alone "completely does away with" 95% to 100% of the biblical End Times Scenario deception of modern-day Christians. The entire world view of many Christians today is being misleadingly shaped by the severe misinterpretation of these four verses - which are always taken out of the context of the chapter and book where they are found.

 

[GaryA]

There is no "third temple being rebuilt in Israel during a 7-year 'tribulation' period" in biblical prophecy.

A proper understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 alone "completely does away with" 95% to 100% of the biblical End Times Scenario deception of modern-day Christians. The entire world view of many Christians today is being misleadingly shaped by the severe misinterpretation of these four verses - which are always taken out of the context of the chapter and book where they are found.

There is no 7-year 'prophetic' End Times period. Nor will there be a 7-year treaty between any antichrist and Israel (needless to say) - which will be "broken" half-way through the '7-year tribulation period'. These ideas are not biblical. They are not found anywhere in scripture - most-certainly-and-definitely not in Daniel 9:24-27. Yet, the entire eschatological "world view" of Christians everywhere seem to be irrevocably "tainted" by this severe misinterpretation of Daniel 9:24-27.

If this is you - you will never understand the End Times Scenario properly until you get past this - almost everything you believe about the End Times Scenario is in error just because of this one ["little"] thing...

 

[GaryA]

The nation state of Israel is not fully soveriegn or muslims would not occupy the temple mount.

Correct.

That is NOT the temple mount; it is the 36 Antonia fortress Roman garrison.

I agree with you concerning 'Antonia' and the 'temple mount'; however, it does not mean that the "third temple rebuilt" idea that pervades modern Christiandom is biblical.

 

[GaryA]

Bro....look out your window, and tell me the prophesied biblical end-times are not manifesting themselves.

They are.

They are - just not quite exactly in the way you think with regard to biblical truth.

Prophecy. Figure it out. I have. Thats why I am a futurist.

You are a futurist because you have fallen for the modern-day deception concerning the End Times Scenario. (I did too - because, it was what I was taught growing up - until I separated myself from it and studied the Word for myself - and discovered that it was a false teaching.)

You have "figured out a few things" in prophecy. Keep going. Learn how to "forget everything you know" and pay close attention to what the Bible is really actually saying - stop leaning on what you have learned (from other people) - look for what is really there...

 

[GaryA]

The 36 acre Antonia garrison. A classic cookie cutter Roman garrison exactly the same as any other they installed all over their empire.

I believe cv5 is correct about the misconception of the 'temple mount'. A very interesting and worthwhile thing to look into if you want to know the "real truth" about the 'temple mount' - I did years ago - and, am glad that I did.

 

[GaryA]

It is not the restitution/redemption of the nation Israel (proposed by the "futurists") that is Satanic.
In fact it is the DENIAL of the restitution/redemption of the nation Israel (proposed by the "preterists" and "amillenialists") that is Satanic.

Satan has been trying to defy God's plan of redemption for Israel by his many attempts to destroy them as a people for a long long time.
And the LAST TIME will be when the man of sin rises to prominence (yet future) to do Satan's will and make a final vain attempt exterminate the Jewish people.

I believe that "true Israel" will be "raised up" by Jesus when He comes - and, at that time, the 'dry bones' prophecy will have been fulfilled.

The nation of Israel will exist and "have its place" during the 1000-year reign of Christ.

Armageddon will be the last attempt to exterminate the Jewish people. It will fail.

 

[GaryA]

Refuse these facts at your peril. The redemption of the nation Israel is......inevitable. And an absolutely necessary prerequisite for the SC and millennial reign of Christ.

If I am reading all of this correctly - I agree with you that the nation of Israel "will be again" - but, agree with @Locoponydirtman that it has not yet become a reality. He is correct in his final statement in the post that you quoted.

 

[GaryA]

In fact that site is the Fortress Antonia. That what the Biblically LITERATE Christians believe.

Amen!

However, I think you have missed the point(s) that @Locoponydirtman was trying to make in post #22 and post #27.

In fact, I am thinking that I am not even sure that he disagrees with what you have been telling him about the 'temple mount'. Only, in doing so, you have overlooked what he was trying to say. Because, I have gotten something out of his posts that I believe you have missed entirely - because, you are so caught up in what you are trying to say to him that you completely missed what he was trying to say to you.

 

[cv5]

I believe that "true Israel" will be "raised up" by Jesus when He comes - and, at that time, the 'dry bones' prophecy will have been fulfilled.

The nation of Israel will exist and "have its place" during the 1000-year reign of Christ.

Armageddon will be the last attempt to exterminate the Jewish people. It will fail.

Totally agree there buddy.....

 

[GaryA]

If I am reading all of this correctly - I agree with you that the nation of Israel "will be again" - but, agree with @Locoponydirtman that it has not yet become a reality.

(From a strictly-biblical perspective.)

 

[cv5]

If I am reading all of this correctly - I agree with you that the nation of Israel "will be again" - but, agree with @Locoponydirtman that it has not yet become a reality. He is correct in his final statement in the post that you quoted.

Technically, the actual SALVATION of the nation only comes about after they repent and ask for Jesus to return, which occurs only at the time slot of the SC.

These present events are more or less a "pre-gathering" in effect. But nevertheless an absolute necessity in terms of fulfilling prophecy IMO.

 

[GaryA]

The nation state of Israel is not fully soveriegn or muslims would not occupy the temple mount.

Correct.

I said this with the understanding of the assumption concerning "true" Israel according to what the Bible says - which I considered Locoponydirtman to be making in his post. The modern-day nation of Israel may be considered to be 'sovereign' based on different criteria; however, in this context it should be considered from a biblical perspective. And, this is the perspective I believe Locoponydirtman was indicating in his post.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

@GaryA , thanks for actually reading what i wrote.