Christian Unity what will it take?
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No, maybe that was YOUR interperation of what Ramon said. but i knwo for a fact Ramon, is not one to harm his wn body. i can garantee it. it is again your twsiting of somthig nyou don't understadn, adn instead of askign GOD for understadning of a brother, you mock, and ridicule. Judgment.
What?
The Hoy spirit WILL NOT bring about sanctification if YOU are unwilling to give up SELF. JESUS said YOU must deny self. NOT sit back and watch me do things. Sorry. JESUS died to give YOU the ability, through faith in what HE allready did, to be conformed to HIS immage. But YOU must meet HIM at the cross. YOU go to the cross, and then HE gets off the cross, and YOU get on the cross. YOU must Die in HIS death. If ALL has not died, then there are thinngs your life that you still grip tightly, and have not repented of. Im not Judging, Im saying its what we DO if we dont have a surrendered Will and we don't surrender that will DAILY in humilty on our knees(thats the sacrifce) then we are NOT walking in the spirit but the flesh.
Do we?
Well if you, agree with me, im not sure what YOU are arguing about, you came in here like a Reformed Bat man, shooting down anything and everything that you don't understand because its not the way YOU would word it. Is this the case? So if that is the case, Then MAYBE YOU should take a step back and instead of Attacking in contention divison, and saracsm, try to UNDERSTADN others instead of right off the bat fightignthem.
What Embrace self? probably. its the wordls term to. If WE dont say LORD take my will, desire, and life today, I don;t want it, I want YOU, i want YOU i WANT YOU , to knwo YOU more, to have more Knowledge of WHO you are FROM you, more knowledge of WHO you are FROM YOU. i want to spend time with YOU. i will take MY time. and instead of doign thisn I Want, I will go to YOU and ask YOU to spend some time with ME, YOU are my father, i want to spend time with you, speak to ME your mind, SPeak to me your heart. We NEED to dAILY take the effort to SEEK HIM. WE do the seeking. WE do the hungering and thristing, when you are in a desert, do you SEARCH For water? when you are thirsty do you SEEK for water? Well we should NEVER be comfortable wit hwhere we stand, we SHOULD seek HIM on our knees BEING a sacrifce sacrificing our lives, for HIS life. WE need to get daily bread, we MUST eat him and drink HIM DAILY. DENY SELF, and go to HIM find out what HIS will is.
You keep brigning that up, and trying to use that as a weapon. THAT is not very nice nor Christian like Sir. its a very worldy tatctic. I gave UP my LIFE, I dont live but CHRIST lives in me, and i live by FAITH in HIM. Not by ME. and MY faith is i wait for HIM To tell me what to do. I gave up my life. I spend time gettign to know the FATHER. i YEILD to HIM. i humble myself to HIM. i wait fro HIM to lead. i no longer lead my self. Good for you that you are supportign your family. YOU ARE SUPOSED TO. I dotn have a wife, nor a child. And a burden on my family? Hmm...well unless you are a part of my house hold you really dont know WHAT its like over here do you? So is it really all that good to make Judgments like that based on. Are YOU sure you are i na JOB JESUS wants you in? do you even ASK him ot be a guide of your life and point YOu in the direction HE wants you...or are you LORD of your own life? My father is a cripple, My mother goes adn helps my aunt who is still grieving for the loss of her daughter. She is also crippeld with painfull arthritis, and carnple tunnel syndrome. I pray and read most of the day, and spend time with JEsus. DO you? Do you even like to spend tiem with your LORD and husband? do you WANT To know HIM? or do you think your fine telling HIM who HE is? Truly? You will only have YOU to blame if YOU ont seek HIM. Forget about this life that JESUS said you are to HATE in comparison to HIM. To bring up personal thigns about me, is really rude. i would never do that about you. not very Christian.
On the conterary, Im SO blessed to have the relationship i DO with my LORD becasue of HIS mercy and grace. I am UNDESERVED to knwo the thigns i know that HE spoke into my mind. Thigns i couldnt begin to explain Thigns he wants MANY people to Understand and get from HIM. IF you just pray the lords prayer one a day, thats nice, but we are to be seeking HIM over all thigns daily. that is our life. HIM. if HE isnt your life, then maybe somthing is wrong. OH the amzing blessign it is to be in the presence of the MSOT high GOD and feel his presence greatly around me and on me. To just spend time Praising his name and worshiping him, its amazing the thigns he shows you. Spend time with JESUS. Spend time with the FATHER. SEEK HIM.
Jesus said Blessed is the man who hungers and thirsts after righteousness. PAUL never stoped doing this. Why would you? Crowd? Strange(form of)Love, I have no crowd. I Have JESUS. And JESUS only if OTHERS have JESUS also then they are apart of JESUS and therefore my bretheren. And as far as "Forum fruit" WAHT is the fruit of the spirit. Can YOU honestly see the fruit of the spirit in your posts? I know what i see, but what do YOU see?
Philippians 3:8-10
"Yes doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having my own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable to his death;
I WANT this. PAUL counted ALL thigns as dung, Dross, Trash to be burned up. HE left all thigns behind. PAUL Wanted to be found in him, that was HIS prayer for himself...he was Born again of the spirit, and yet still said that. PAUL said he wanted to WIN christ. He was Spirit filled, and STILL wanted to WIN CHRIST. He NEVER stoped hungering for JESUS. he was NEVER comfortable with the position he was at in his spiritual life. Niether am i. If you are thats fine. But SOME people arent aware that they can even GO deeper into Jesus. PAUL saught that daily. Paul said that HE MAY KNOW HIM, he allready met JESUS, and still he wanted to KNOW HIM...as do i. I am NOT comfortable at my present knowledge of JESUS he is LIMITLESS, and the riches of christ are wit hout END ...HERE in THIS life. I WANT to felloship in HIS sufferings. I WANT to be made conformed to his death. his life of denial, and his death on that Beautiful Cross. I was NEVER a part of this WOrld dotcor, not from the time i was a small child, and never understood why...I NOW understand why...its because i was CHOSEN by GOD to be tested and confromed to the imamge of his son. I desire HIM. HE is the love of my Soul. I firmyl belive that is what HE wants from ALL of us, but WE must also want this.
We Abide in CHRIST and are led by his spirit, or we abide in FLESH and are led by SELF and the flesh. Tree of LIFE(reliance on GOD, nd seeking more of JESUS daily, submitting seeking YOUR life and seek HIS) or tree of DEATH, whic hsi seeking YOUR desire, livign YOUR idea of what YOU want for YOUR life. if its YOU, it has to die, it means its coruptible, and NOthing of the currupt flesh will inheret the kingdom, Sacrifce it, offr it up to JESUS he is not goig nto force you, and if you ARE his, and you refuse to give it willingly, HE might have to TAKE it with force for your own good, but that is NEEDLESS. We dont have to have our fingers broken in order for him to take wha we wont GIVE, if we just GIVE. I Give. I will never stop Giving to HIM. I WANT HIM> I desire more of HIM, I desire to WIN HIM, Win HIS desire. YOu are correct a CHRISTIAN a TRUE son of God does not abide in Sin, but many dont understadn that SELF, abiding in Desire is NOT abiding in CHRIST. being led by SELF, is not beign led by the SPirit. its a process, SURE, but its a process that I dotn want to take forever. it doesnt HAVE to take forever, and its a lie to teach that it WILL take for ever. its up to US on if WE meet HIM, and SEEK HIM, and what WE Give up. When you GIVE it is given back. The same messure YOU give, it will be given back to you. if YOU give freely your entire life, and seek to surender ALL to JESUS, then HE gives you HIMSELF in return. I surrender ALL, i want to do that. I had sung that song before, growign up in church, as do most people, but when most peopel sing it, its aLIE. they DONT surrender ALL, the surrender SOME, or even MOST, is not ALL. they sing lies to GOD on a daily basis...in vian theydo worship, teachig ncommadnments of MEN, you surely shall not DIE if you dont Surender ALL.
Not true. HOW are you being led by the spirit if you are not seeking in FAITH for that to be done. it is meetign JESUS at his words. DENY YOU. We need to do that. like never before this will happen. WE must hunger and thirst for him.
Agreed. However THAT is why its a individual process, that WE must submit to HIS lordship. HE is lord, not US. Thats why its CRUCIAL to work our salvation out with FEAR and trembling before God. WE msut go to HIM in all thigns and SEEK to be ONE with JEsus. We are HIS wife, he is not Ours. We are HIS body, the body gets word for mthe HEAD. but it cant, considerign we DO have free will, if WE choose to ignore JESUS, ignore gettign to knwo him intimately then its OUR own fault.
SO, i agree with that. my effort is to urge the bretheren to not get stale. MY callign i to preach the HIGHER calling i nChrist to SEEK him like a Husband. To BE his wife. To WIN HIM. on such a high level as most dotn even consider. if THAT is not you, then so be it. But DO NOT fight somthig nthat PAUL seeked after, that JOHN seeked after, that ALL the early church sought after. Hungered adn thrist for CHRIST, MORE of his life, they never ceased. they forsook ALL for HIM, just like HE forsook all for THEM. I Love Jesus. he said IF you love me, you will obey me. and HIS words are not burden some, its SEEK ME, LOVE ME, and love others. Then preach the gospel. I do this. But our MAIN goal is to seek the kingdom of GOD and HIS righteousness, and THEN all the other thigns will be added to it.
I WANT to Win Christ. I DONT want my own righteosuness. PAUL was seeking this. PAUL wanted to be found IN christ, why dont you tell paul to relx and be patient.
Love you Hickory. Jesus bless you.
What?
The Hoy spirit WILL NOT bring about sanctification if YOU are unwilling to give up SELF. JESUS said YOU must deny self. NOT sit back and watch me do things. Sorry. JESUS died to give YOU the ability, through faith in what HE allready did, to be conformed to HIS immage. But YOU must meet HIM at the cross. YOU go to the cross, and then HE gets off the cross, and YOU get on the cross. YOU must Die in HIS death. If ALL has not died, then there are thinngs your life that you still grip tightly, and have not repented of. Im not Judging, Im saying its what we DO if we dont have a surrendered Will and we don't surrender that will DAILY in humilty on our knees(thats the sacrifce) then we are NOT walking in the spirit but the flesh.
Do we?
Well if you, agree with me, im not sure what YOU are arguing about, you came in here like a Reformed Bat man, shooting down anything and everything that you don't understand because its not the way YOU would word it. Is this the case? So if that is the case, Then MAYBE YOU should take a step back and instead of Attacking in contention divison, and saracsm, try to UNDERSTADN others instead of right off the bat fightignthem.
What Embrace self? probably. its the wordls term to. If WE dont say LORD take my will, desire, and life today, I don;t want it, I want YOU, i want YOU i WANT YOU , to knwo YOU more, to have more Knowledge of WHO you are FROM you, more knowledge of WHO you are FROM YOU. i want to spend time with YOU. i will take MY time. and instead of doign thisn I Want, I will go to YOU and ask YOU to spend some time with ME, YOU are my father, i want to spend time with you, speak to ME your mind, SPeak to me your heart. We NEED to dAILY take the effort to SEEK HIM. WE do the seeking. WE do the hungering and thristing, when you are in a desert, do you SEARCH For water? when you are thirsty do you SEEK for water? Well we should NEVER be comfortable wit hwhere we stand, we SHOULD seek HIM on our knees BEING a sacrifce sacrificing our lives, for HIS life. WE need to get daily bread, we MUST eat him and drink HIM DAILY. DENY SELF, and go to HIM find out what HIS will is.
You keep brigning that up, and trying to use that as a weapon. THAT is not very nice nor Christian like Sir. its a very worldy tatctic. I gave UP my LIFE, I dont live but CHRIST lives in me, and i live by FAITH in HIM. Not by ME. and MY faith is i wait for HIM To tell me what to do. I gave up my life. I spend time gettign to know the FATHER. i YEILD to HIM. i humble myself to HIM. i wait fro HIM to lead. i no longer lead my self. Good for you that you are supportign your family. YOU ARE SUPOSED TO. I dotn have a wife, nor a child. And a burden on my family? Hmm...well unless you are a part of my house hold you really dont know WHAT its like over here do you? So is it really all that good to make Judgments like that based on. Are YOU sure you are i na JOB JESUS wants you in? do you even ASK him ot be a guide of your life and point YOu in the direction HE wants you...or are you LORD of your own life? My father is a cripple, My mother goes adn helps my aunt who is still grieving for the loss of her daughter. She is also crippeld with painfull arthritis, and carnple tunnel syndrome. I pray and read most of the day, and spend time with JEsus. DO you? Do you even like to spend tiem with your LORD and husband? do you WANT To know HIM? or do you think your fine telling HIM who HE is? Truly? You will only have YOU to blame if YOU ont seek HIM. Forget about this life that JESUS said you are to HATE in comparison to HIM. To bring up personal thigns about me, is really rude. i would never do that about you. not very Christian.
On the conterary, Im SO blessed to have the relationship i DO with my LORD becasue of HIS mercy and grace. I am UNDESERVED to knwo the thigns i know that HE spoke into my mind. Thigns i couldnt begin to explain Thigns he wants MANY people to Understand and get from HIM. IF you just pray the lords prayer one a day, thats nice, but we are to be seeking HIM over all thigns daily. that is our life. HIM. if HE isnt your life, then maybe somthing is wrong. OH the amzing blessign it is to be in the presence of the MSOT high GOD and feel his presence greatly around me and on me. To just spend time Praising his name and worshiping him, its amazing the thigns he shows you. Spend time with JESUS. Spend time with the FATHER. SEEK HIM.
Jesus said Blessed is the man who hungers and thirsts after righteousness. PAUL never stoped doing this. Why would you? Crowd? Strange(form of)Love, I have no crowd. I Have JESUS. And JESUS only if OTHERS have JESUS also then they are apart of JESUS and therefore my bretheren. And as far as "Forum fruit" WAHT is the fruit of the spirit. Can YOU honestly see the fruit of the spirit in your posts? I know what i see, but what do YOU see?
Philippians 3:8-10
"Yes doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having my own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable to his death;
I WANT this. PAUL counted ALL thigns as dung, Dross, Trash to be burned up. HE left all thigns behind. PAUL Wanted to be found in him, that was HIS prayer for himself...he was Born again of the spirit, and yet still said that. PAUL said he wanted to WIN christ. He was Spirit filled, and STILL wanted to WIN CHRIST. He NEVER stoped hungering for JESUS. he was NEVER comfortable with the position he was at in his spiritual life. Niether am i. If you are thats fine. But SOME people arent aware that they can even GO deeper into Jesus. PAUL saught that daily. Paul said that HE MAY KNOW HIM, he allready met JESUS, and still he wanted to KNOW HIM...as do i. I am NOT comfortable at my present knowledge of JESUS he is LIMITLESS, and the riches of christ are wit hout END ...HERE in THIS life. I WANT to felloship in HIS sufferings. I WANT to be made conformed to his death. his life of denial, and his death on that Beautiful Cross. I was NEVER a part of this WOrld dotcor, not from the time i was a small child, and never understood why...I NOW understand why...its because i was CHOSEN by GOD to be tested and confromed to the imamge of his son. I desire HIM. HE is the love of my Soul. I firmyl belive that is what HE wants from ALL of us, but WE must also want this.
We Abide in CHRIST and are led by his spirit, or we abide in FLESH and are led by SELF and the flesh. Tree of LIFE(reliance on GOD, nd seeking more of JESUS daily, submitting seeking YOUR life and seek HIS) or tree of DEATH, whic hsi seeking YOUR desire, livign YOUR idea of what YOU want for YOUR life. if its YOU, it has to die, it means its coruptible, and NOthing of the currupt flesh will inheret the kingdom, Sacrifce it, offr it up to JESUS he is not goig nto force you, and if you ARE his, and you refuse to give it willingly, HE might have to TAKE it with force for your own good, but that is NEEDLESS. We dont have to have our fingers broken in order for him to take wha we wont GIVE, if we just GIVE. I Give. I will never stop Giving to HIM. I WANT HIM> I desire more of HIM, I desire to WIN HIM, Win HIS desire. YOu are correct a CHRISTIAN a TRUE son of God does not abide in Sin, but many dont understadn that SELF, abiding in Desire is NOT abiding in CHRIST. being led by SELF, is not beign led by the SPirit. its a process, SURE, but its a process that I dotn want to take forever. it doesnt HAVE to take forever, and its a lie to teach that it WILL take for ever. its up to US on if WE meet HIM, and SEEK HIM, and what WE Give up. When you GIVE it is given back. The same messure YOU give, it will be given back to you. if YOU give freely your entire life, and seek to surender ALL to JESUS, then HE gives you HIMSELF in return. I surrender ALL, i want to do that. I had sung that song before, growign up in church, as do most people, but when most peopel sing it, its aLIE. they DONT surrender ALL, the surrender SOME, or even MOST, is not ALL. they sing lies to GOD on a daily basis...in vian theydo worship, teachig ncommadnments of MEN, you surely shall not DIE if you dont Surender ALL.
Not true. HOW are you being led by the spirit if you are not seeking in FAITH for that to be done. it is meetign JESUS at his words. DENY YOU. We need to do that. like never before this will happen. WE must hunger and thirst for him.
Agreed. However THAT is why its a individual process, that WE must submit to HIS lordship. HE is lord, not US. Thats why its CRUCIAL to work our salvation out with FEAR and trembling before God. WE msut go to HIM in all thigns and SEEK to be ONE with JEsus. We are HIS wife, he is not Ours. We are HIS body, the body gets word for mthe HEAD. but it cant, considerign we DO have free will, if WE choose to ignore JESUS, ignore gettign to knwo him intimately then its OUR own fault.
SO, i agree with that. my effort is to urge the bretheren to not get stale. MY callign i to preach the HIGHER calling i nChrist to SEEK him like a Husband. To BE his wife. To WIN HIM. on such a high level as most dotn even consider. if THAT is not you, then so be it. But DO NOT fight somthig nthat PAUL seeked after, that JOHN seeked after, that ALL the early church sought after. Hungered adn thrist for CHRIST, MORE of his life, they never ceased. they forsook ALL for HIM, just like HE forsook all for THEM. I Love Jesus. he said IF you love me, you will obey me. and HIS words are not burden some, its SEEK ME, LOVE ME, and love others. Then preach the gospel. I do this. But our MAIN goal is to seek the kingdom of GOD and HIS righteousness, and THEN all the other thigns will be added to it.
I WANT to Win Christ. I DONT want my own righteosuness. PAUL was seeking this. PAUL wanted to be found IN christ, why dont you tell paul to relx and be patient.
Love you Hickory. Jesus bless you.
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I think sarcasm was meant to be like a fuseable link for our sanity
It MAY be one of the hardest thigns to give to GOD, and repent of compeltely. Its somthing most dont even think about, and DEFIANTLEY somthig nmost never ask GOD is they should keep.
Its mockery, sneering, ridicule. Its NOT a development of the SPIRIT within a person. its FLesh. Things that need to Die. Take it as legalism if you want, take it as judgmental. Though i don't belive it is to be forced on someone, or make a law about it, I know what the LORD showed me, GO through the bible and look at ALL the people in the bible who mocked and ridiculed, and sneered. (dont say GOD mocked...its not the same mockery) ALL of these types of people were EVIL men, especially the Pharesees. Take the fruit of the spirit, and put it along side sarcasm. Can they coincide?
love and Sarcasm?
joy and sarcasm?
peace and sarcasm?
long-suffering(patience) and Sarcasm?
gentleness and sarcasm?
goodness and sarcasm?
faith and sarcam?
Meekness and sarcasm?
temperance(self-control) and sarcasm?
See? so if WE Stay sarcastic, then we ARENT even attempting to give it to GOD. We are WALKING in it. So if we are walking in SARCASM, imagine what other thigns we WALK in and think that it is fine. We are to have or minds RE-Newed, reebooted, to the way GOD made original mans mind, its ONLY possible by receiving the midn of CHRIST, but we cant have TWO minds, just like we cant have TWO masters. Again sure its a process, but its a process WE can inhibit, WE can stop, or even sever. We are way to worldly, to be unified with anoy one. Truly. HEAVENLY should be our Goal. the fruits are evidence of a hevenly life. but not the end of it. jsut an over veiw.
If one is exibiting Meekness, CAN they be sarcastic? at all? really can they? is a jerk meek? even if its just "all in good fun" What if the one you are sarcastic to really cant stand it...what if the person you are talkign to had a HORIBLY sarcastic father, or husband, or borther, and it TORMENTED them all there life, adn then a "CHRISTIAN" who is the ONLY imamge of JESUS we ahve for the world goes and does EXACTLY, what thsi unsaved person, or strugling person hates...that nasty biting sarcasm(whic hi belive may stem from the persosn fear...but thats a whole different topic)
And Are WE supsoed to be in charge of our "sanity" Abiding or is that CHRISTS Job? isnt HE suposed to be our sanity? Comfort, peace...Sarcasm?
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Im not judging you Abiding. Im just saying i dissagre, and showed YOU what the LORD showed me. im not forcing you to be anythig that GOD is not convicting you of. However, im just putting it out there so IF You also seee truth in what i just posted, that YOU(and others) would go to JESUS with this and ask HIM to show us what tht means. It wasnt poste in judgment or condemnation btu in love adn sharing. it IS what i was convicted of, adn it is what JESUS has given me the grace adn mercy to overcoem in faith of his word to me.
I dont care if you watch TV or not, im sayign it was in grained in us FROM tv as one source. I wil GARANTEE you someoen who NEVER watched TV, would be EXTREMALY less sarcastic then now who ALWAYS watches TV. Light humour is nice. Sarcasm is not light humour. WE have been convinced that fleshly thigns are fine.
Again, not telling anyone to do anything but bring it to GOD.
Sarcasm is AT the person, humour at the expense of someoenelse is a defence mechanism, and really not Spiritual. at all. Humour is pleasent. Humour at some one elses expense is not.
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Thank you for your post My Dear mr. Scott I do enjoy listening to your wisdom on this matter and share much with you and your beliefs though not all. I find your willingness to confront the issues at hand with relative courtesy and obvious sincere belief in your faith refreshing to say the least. I too believe that the schisms that have seperated Christians to be the biggest part of the problem and agree that Protestantism is a very proud and boastful child while at the same time I find the veneration of icons and saints in the Catholic and EOC very distasteful and contrary to much of the scripture I hold to be true.
This is really the meat and potatoes of the whole argument regardless of denomination whether in favour of or against the teachings we adhere to.
To quote Martin Luther King I HAVE A DREAM where all Gods children will come together under one banner and not be divided anymore by race, creed or denominational fracture.
Pride is the biggest reason for the denominational fracture in Christ we have today and I am not surprised at all that this was and is the most prevalent sin among all Christians in the last 2000 years.
For pride was the first sin and so it shall be in the kingdom men have set up on earth in his name.
Rather than letting go of our heresies and doctrines we adhere to like flypaper. We would rather bury our heads in the perverbial sand and say that it doesn't exist or they are wrong and not myself and continue with our lack of faith and belief in the words of men from ages gone by rather than following the words of Christ alone.
I submit that if we only use Jesus as the model for ourselves and practice only what he preached then how could we be wrong in so doing?
It is time for the age of enlightenment to slumber and for the age of faith to become forefront and practiced solely. Yet I know that this will not happen because men refuse to bow before God and would rather put faith in their minds and teachings of their fathers rather than to adhere to the principles laid out by Christ 2000 years ago.
This is really the meat and potatoes of the whole argument regardless of denomination whether in favour of or against the teachings we adhere to.
To quote Martin Luther King I HAVE A DREAM where all Gods children will come together under one banner and not be divided anymore by race, creed or denominational fracture.
Pride is the biggest reason for the denominational fracture in Christ we have today and I am not surprised at all that this was and is the most prevalent sin among all Christians in the last 2000 years.
For pride was the first sin and so it shall be in the kingdom men have set up on earth in his name.
Rather than letting go of our heresies and doctrines we adhere to like flypaper. We would rather bury our heads in the perverbial sand and say that it doesn't exist or they are wrong and not myself and continue with our lack of faith and belief in the words of men from ages gone by rather than following the words of Christ alone.
I submit that if we only use Jesus as the model for ourselves and practice only what he preached then how could we be wrong in so doing?
It is time for the age of enlightenment to slumber and for the age of faith to become forefront and practiced solely. Yet I know that this will not happen because men refuse to bow before God and would rather put faith in their minds and teachings of their fathers rather than to adhere to the principles laid out by Christ 2000 years ago.
I believe true untity calls for truces and agreements. I believe it requires a goal that we mutually share. We could pick a goal and agree on something, with the agreement not to attack one another. Putting our differences aside and having a common goal or agenda. I've found that sometimes it's difficult to work with others who have a different belief. But if we have the same goal we can work together.
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There cant be unity in pride, there cant be unity with out being broken...DAILY. THEN Jesus will conform the individual to HIS mind and imamge, and ALL who are conformed to HIS mind and imamge will have the SAME mind and imamge. And TRUE brokenness CANT come out side of suffering. Trial, testing. And TRUE suffering is from persecution for HIS namesake. the CLOSER you are conformed to HIS imamge the MORE persecution you will undergo. Verbal, emotional, phsycial, intence persecution the MORE you are confroemd to HIM. Brokeness. WE need to have our hip dislocated so we ALL lean on GOD. The surplanter MUST be come a prince with God. WE need to give up the thronw of out HEART our spirit adn give it TOTALY to the SPIRIT of the FATHER so that we can beocme ISRAEL instead of Jacob. That is unless we are an Essau.
Essau, Jacob, Israel. ALL out of the same woman. ONE denyed there birthright. ONE received the birthright, and THEN was broken, and becasue of faith and his leaning on the LORD was made into a SON. When ALL of us do this, THEN we can begin our DEEP search of JESUS. and THEN we will be united. It will be the LORD doign it, becasue of OUR heart and desire adn action in faith.
NO MORE ILLEAGALY SEISING THE PLACE THAT RIGHTLY BELONGS TO JESUS. When ALL the Jacobs turn into israels...THEN they will be one.
BROKENNES. We NEED to be humbled, and broken, the top of our jar must be broken open, and the Wine of OUR life must be spileld out completley and CHRIST who is our life MSUT be repalced compeltely.
THAT is when UNITY will happen. CANT happen in Humanstic effort, or studdying making everyone ONE doctrine..no thats all flesh, and human efort. its a personl relationship whith the MOST HIGH GOD. When WE are gone, and HE is in palce totaly, in all of us then we WILL be one.
Essau, Jacob, Israel. ALL out of the same woman. ONE denyed there birthright. ONE received the birthright, and THEN was broken, and becasue of faith and his leaning on the LORD was made into a SON. When ALL of us do this, THEN we can begin our DEEP search of JESUS. and THEN we will be united. It will be the LORD doign it, becasue of OUR heart and desire adn action in faith.
NO MORE ILLEAGALY SEISING THE PLACE THAT RIGHTLY BELONGS TO JESUS. When ALL the Jacobs turn into israels...THEN they will be one.
BROKENNES. We NEED to be humbled, and broken, the top of our jar must be broken open, and the Wine of OUR life must be spileld out completley and CHRIST who is our life MSUT be repalced compeltely.
THAT is when UNITY will happen. CANT happen in Humanstic effort, or studdying making everyone ONE doctrine..no thats all flesh, and human efort. its a personl relationship whith the MOST HIGH GOD. When WE are gone, and HE is in palce totaly, in all of us then we WILL be one.
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Ok cool. But you should tell me if i have hurt someone with humor or any other way. Its your duty.
Im not against being told the truth. And since i have no conviction. and others see me better than i do.
and you posted me to begin with. Do me the honors...please. ty Deadflesh
Ok cool. But you should tell me if i have hurt someone with humor or any other way. Its your duty.
Im not against being told the truth. And since i have no conviction. and others see me better than i do.
and you posted me to begin with. Do me the honors...please. ty Deadflesh
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No honestly i may be using the wrong word. If i seem to be personally harming anyone in any posts
including my sarcasm/humor...you all know how to tell me, or pm me. but biting my tongue, nope
that hurts.
including my sarcasm/humor...you all know how to tell me, or pm me. but biting my tongue, nope
that hurts.
and your humour was never the problem. you know that abiding. but the WORD sarcasm needs to be focused through CHRIST. find out personaly if HE is pleased with it. Thats all. AGains never an attack. but this thread is about UNTIY and how can we have UNITY if we dont go to JESUS?
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I only posted YOU because you used talked about sarcasm. its a HEAVY and hard thing the lord has been dealing with me in. so i shared. so it wasnt agaisnt YOU, or any PERSON jsut agaisnt the fleshly deed, that soem may never look at. Maybe now SOME will. Thats all. Love you guy, and your are Welcome.