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hello friend.
was it not you yesterday who claimed to fulfill the Two Great Commandments to God's satisfaction (perfectly)?
forgive me if i have you confused with someone else. is this judging the condition of someone you've never met sinful?
what gave you the idea i don't admit and repent of my sin? one must acknolwedge they do sin in order to confess and repent do they not?
not sure i accused anyone of being sinful...why would i do that? i don't know anyone.
i have no interest in excusing my own sin. why would i do that?
that's about as dangerous as it gets.
when i face judgment, there will be condemnation for me....do you live in fear of condemnation?
Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
i guess that's where you and i differ. my salvation lies in Jesus Christ's Work. not my own. it looks as though David and Paul trusted the Lord also.
Psalm 32:1
A Maskil of David. Blessed is the one whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psalm 41:4
As for me, I said, “O LORD, be gracious to me; heal me, for I have sinned against you!”
Psalm 119:58
I have sought your face with all my heart; be gracious to me according to your promise.
Romans 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Romans 5:16
And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.
and the doctrine some refuse to accept:
Ephesians 2
1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) 6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
zone.
was it not you yesterday who claimed to fulfill the Two Great Commandments to God's satisfaction (perfectly)?
forgive me if i have you confused with someone else. is this judging the condition of someone you've never met sinful?
what gave you the idea i don't admit and repent of my sin? one must acknolwedge they do sin in order to confess and repent do they not?
not sure i accused anyone of being sinful...why would i do that? i don't know anyone.
i have no interest in excusing my own sin. why would i do that?
that's about as dangerous as it gets.when i face judgment, there will be condemnation for me....do you live in fear of condemnation?
Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
i guess that's where you and i differ. my salvation lies in Jesus Christ's Work. not my own. it looks as though David and Paul trusted the Lord also.
Psalm 32:1
A Maskil of David. Blessed is the one whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psalm 41:4
As for me, I said, “O LORD, be gracious to me; heal me, for I have sinned against you!”
Psalm 119:58
I have sought your face with all my heart; be gracious to me according to your promise.
Romans 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Romans 5:16
And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.
and the doctrine some refuse to accept:
Ephesians 2
1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) 6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
zone.
there's a letter missing in your message:
"Seeing as scripture plainly states that we who are in Christ are no able to fulfill the standards of the law"
did you mean to say now or not?
just to be clear: are you now without sin because you fulfill the requirements of the Law?
and again, is this how you love your neighbour as yourself? i don't need you to love me and treat me as God commands (throughout His Law), but He does, if you are to be accepted on that basis.
zone
"Seeing as scripture plainly states that we who are in Christ are no able to fulfill the standards of the law"
did you mean to say now or not?
just to be clear: are you now without sin because you fulfill the requirements of the Law?
and again, is this how you love your neighbour as yourself? i don't need you to love me and treat me as God commands (throughout His Law), but He does, if you are to be accepted on that basis.
zone
Do you believe that Jesus died so that you can be sinless?
in Christ
in Christ
Originally Posted by notIbutChrist
Many do the same. Rather than admiting and repenting of their own sin, they want to accuse others of being sinful as well. As if that would excuse their own sin, or acquit them when they face judgement.
Many do the same. Rather than admiting and repenting of their own sin, they want to accuse others of being sinful as well. As if that would excuse their own sin, or acquit them when they face judgement.
Yea but the difference is we still live in a fallen world, in the garden of Eden there was only good and no evil before the fall.
a whole paragraph but still no answer
Did Christ died so that you can be sinless?
in Christ
a whole paragraph but still no answer
Did Christ died so that you can be sinless?
in Christ
E
You got me confused with someone else. I never stated we can not overcome a sin issue.
would you like to try again?? I know Zone, she does not teach that either. You do not know us very well at all my friend!
I am talking about how one is saved. Not how one lives their life after being saved. again you are confused.
would you like to try again?? I know Zone, she does not teach that either. You do not know us very well at all my friend!
I am talking about how one is saved. Not how one lives their life after being saved. again you are confused.
He came to rescue us from the wrath to come.
as Creator, He could have simply made us new creatures without coming from Glory, suffering and dying, couldn't He?
original condition? i suspect in the resurrection we'll be better off than clay Adam was.
but....did you mean to say we are actually now, in ourselves without sin as Adam before the fall?
St John was quite clear on that matter:
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
truth not in us? that's a serious condition.
as Creator, He could have simply made us new creatures without coming from Glory, suffering and dying, couldn't He?
original condition? i suspect in the resurrection we'll be better off than clay Adam was.
but....did you mean to say we are actually now, in ourselves without sin as Adam before the fall?
St John was quite clear on that matter:
1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
truth not in us? that's a serious condition.
This is a false gospel
To believe that Jesus came to save us from the penalty of sin only is a dire mistake. Jesus came to save us from sin itself, and thereby saving us from the penalty of sin. The word tells us in Hebrews 10:26-31, and 2nd Peter 2:20-22 that those that continue in sin after coming into faith with Jesus will not only suffer in Hell with unbelievers, but will suffer a greater damnation than those that have never believed.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Romans 6
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
To believe that Jesus came to save us from the penalty of sin only is a dire mistake. Jesus came to save us from sin itself, and thereby saving us from the penalty of sin. The word tells us in Hebrews 10:26-31, and 2nd Peter 2:20-22 that those that continue in sin after coming into faith with Jesus will not only suffer in Hell with unbelievers, but will suffer a greater damnation than those that have never believed.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Romans 6
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
E
How could one who has sinned ever be sinless. His life would still have sin when he stands in front of God even if he lived the rest of his life with no sin.
the penalty of sin is death, If someone sinned a million times from birth till the time he came to Christ. he would still have a million death sentances against him. and would still be unworthy. Yet John says not even this can happen. for he says if we say we are sinless, we only decieve ourselves and their is no truth in us. Paul called himself a wretched man, because he could not stop (present tense verb used) sin. so you add more death sentances against you every time you sin.
Again you forget the most important aspect of christ's death. this is why you are so confused.
the penalty of sin is death, If someone sinned a million times from birth till the time he came to Christ. he would still have a million death sentances against him. and would still be unworthy. Yet John says not even this can happen. for he says if we say we are sinless, we only decieve ourselves and their is no truth in us. Paul called himself a wretched man, because he could not stop (present tense verb used) sin. so you add more death sentances against you every time you sin.
Again you forget the most important aspect of christ's death. this is why you are so confused.