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This may shock you after reading on other posts what is learned, however from Paul we know that one man esteems one day over another, while another does not. Both are correct as long as it is observed with a clear conscience in the presence of God. My preference or conscientious observation is the Seventh Day. This is a commandment of the original ten which I try to keep.
As for the laws, most cannot be kept because there is not Temple.
Concerning Passover, as long as we observe what the Savior did during what many call Holy week, although the days may not coincide, Passover is being observed, after all Yeshua is the Lamb of God, and this is the Pesach.
I believe Moses, and I believe Yeshua, therefore I am under grace, but not one dot or tiddle of the law is changed for me, and we are to obey the commandments.
Yeshua, Himself, taught us the punitive laws may be replaced with mercy when He pardoned the woman caught in adultery while the Law dictated she and the man together should have been stoned to death.
With the infilling of the Holy Spirit there is certain discernment given to all who receive the Holy Spirit, of course you already would know this.
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The whole Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit, that is God Himself. However, we find men of God teaching us the commandments of God. But I would like to repeat my question. If keeping of the sabbath is so necessary, why did not Paul who was the preacher to the gentiles (who knew nothing about the God of Israel) command them of keeping of the Sabbath?
My other questions: Where in the NT do you find anybody talking about the ten (the number) commandments? We do not have to put on Moses here to follow the law but we put on Christ. In fact, the laws of Christ are even stricter in spiritual sense for unlike Moses', Jesus' righteousness is the righteousness of God. It doesn't limit us to only 10 commandments. Tell me if you can find "Love your enemy" in the 10 commandments.
Hebrews 4:11 Let us (including Paul) labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
What does the above verse mean? If this rest meant keeping of the sabbath, then it means Paul had not kept the sabbath because even he was still labouring to enter into 'that rest'. Or if he had kept the Sabbath (the rest), then what rest is he talking about now? Because the Heb 4 tells us about the Sabbath, that is the rest, which I am sure is the salvation on the last day for he tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling (Phil 2:12).
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. (Sabbath)
What I interpret is this - agree or disagree
The Lord made Adam and Eve, which are the shadows of Jesus Christ and His Bride and we will be placed again the garden, where again there is a Tree of Life but no tree of knowledge of good and evil because the Lord has destroyed it. Finally, as the Lord in the OT never speaks about the eighth day (i.e the day after the sabbath) so shall it be finally when Jesus and His Bride are in the garden forever on the sabbath day (i.e the day of salvation), where there will be no evening and morning to end this sabbath day.
The OT is the blue print of the real spiritual time to come. If you observe minutely from the creation, you will find the things have happened/are still happening/yet to happen spiritually exactly the same way. Find out yourself, for eg. how Eve was formed from the side of Adam and how the Bride was formed from the side of Christ. How the Lord gives us a new name. How the Lord gives us to eat from the Tree of Life.
I only urge my brethren to interpret them spiritually as they are spiritually discerned.
Be blessed.
My other questions: Where in the NT do you find anybody talking about the ten (the number) commandments? We do not have to put on Moses here to follow the law but we put on Christ. In fact, the laws of Christ are even stricter in spiritual sense for unlike Moses', Jesus' righteousness is the righteousness of God. It doesn't limit us to only 10 commandments. Tell me if you can find "Love your enemy" in the 10 commandments.
Hebrews 4:11 Let us (including Paul) labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
What does the above verse mean? If this rest meant keeping of the sabbath, then it means Paul had not kept the sabbath because even he was still labouring to enter into 'that rest'. Or if he had kept the Sabbath (the rest), then what rest is he talking about now? Because the Heb 4 tells us about the Sabbath, that is the rest, which I am sure is the salvation on the last day for he tells us to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling (Phil 2:12).
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. (Sabbath)
What I interpret is this - agree or disagree
The Lord made Adam and Eve, which are the shadows of Jesus Christ and His Bride and we will be placed again the garden, where again there is a Tree of Life but no tree of knowledge of good and evil because the Lord has destroyed it. Finally, as the Lord in the OT never speaks about the eighth day (i.e the day after the sabbath) so shall it be finally when Jesus and His Bride are in the garden forever on the sabbath day (i.e the day of salvation), where there will be no evening and morning to end this sabbath day.
The OT is the blue print of the real spiritual time to come. If you observe minutely from the creation, you will find the things have happened/are still happening/yet to happen spiritually exactly the same way. Find out yourself, for eg. how Eve was formed from the side of Adam and how the Bride was formed from the side of Christ. How the Lord gives us a new name. How the Lord gives us to eat from the Tree of Life.
I only urge my brethren to interpret them spiritually as they are spiritually discerned.
Be blessed.
Namaste. I have posted this before from the Word, specifically Paul's teaching. He teaches that one man may esteem on day above other days while another does not, and, as long as both have a clear conscience in the sight of God, both are correct. This sounds disorderly which is contrary to other teachings in Paul's writings, but who am I to dispute Paul.
With the above in mind, I love to observe the Seventh Day as the Sabbath, and I do believe it is a commandment. Farbeit from me to ever condemn anyone for observing the Sabbath on the first day. Jesus, Yeshua, teaches anyone who teaches others to break the least of the laws will be least in the Kingdom. In respectful fear of the One Who Saves all by His glorious sacrifice, I believe the commandments should be obeyed. As for laws, we should all follow the Example of Jesus, Yeshua. When a punitive law is in play, He would show mercy. That is not difficult to understand and follow Him as the example.
As for all the ceremonial laws, they are just that, ceremonial. There is no Temple or Israel in which to obey all of these ceremonial laws, thus we are exempt. Of course there is an earthly Jerusalem, but we await the New Jerusalem of promise, amen.
With the above in mind, I love to observe the Seventh Day as the Sabbath, and I do believe it is a commandment. Farbeit from me to ever condemn anyone for observing the Sabbath on the first day. Jesus, Yeshua, teaches anyone who teaches others to break the least of the laws will be least in the Kingdom. In respectful fear of the One Who Saves all by His glorious sacrifice, I believe the commandments should be obeyed. As for laws, we should all follow the Example of Jesus, Yeshua. When a punitive law is in play, He would show mercy. That is not difficult to understand and follow Him as the example.
As for all the ceremonial laws, they are just that, ceremonial. There is no Temple or Israel in which to obey all of these ceremonial laws, thus we are exempt. Of course there is an earthly Jerusalem, but we await the New Jerusalem of promise, amen.
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If Saturday is your personal preference to make special for the Lord I have absolutely no issue with that. But that is different from saying Christians are required Biblically to observe a Friday/Saturday Sabbath which we are not.
Where is this in Scripture? First off, Passover MUST Be celebrated in Jerusalem according to Scripture. So you are not keeping Passover at all if you are not in the Holy City of God. Once again it seems folks are just picking and choosing what they want to observe from the Bible and ignoring anything that causes inconvenience.
If you believe this, then you would agree that there is no requirement to observe the feast and follow the requirements listed in Scripture. And on the same note, Jesus IS The Sabbath. Which is why we do not have to observe a Friday/Saturday Sabbath.
Why do you put the commandments over the rest of the Mosaic law?? On what basis?
No He did not. He scolded the Pharisees for trying to have someone killed without a trial as commanded by Scripture. Jesus, who followed the law, could not condemn the woman without a trial (not to mention that the man is also required by Scripture to be present as well for trial and both are provided a chance to confess their sins) . That is the point and context of the passage. What you are saying is just personal spin/opinion with no support from the text. You seem to do this repeatedly and it is a danger because you are saying these things with no Biblical support.
Similarly by Scripture there is no requirement to observe a Friday/Saturday Sabbath. As Christians we are to observe the Sabbath 7 days a week by believing in Jesus Christ who IS our Sabbath rest.
Where is this in Scripture? First off, Passover MUST Be celebrated in Jerusalem according to Scripture. So you are not keeping Passover at all if you are not in the Holy City of God. Once again it seems folks are just picking and choosing what they want to observe from the Bible and ignoring anything that causes inconvenience.
If you believe this, then you would agree that there is no requirement to observe the feast and follow the requirements listed in Scripture. And on the same note, Jesus IS The Sabbath. Which is why we do not have to observe a Friday/Saturday Sabbath.
Why do you put the commandments over the rest of the Mosaic law?? On what basis?
No He did not. He scolded the Pharisees for trying to have someone killed without a trial as commanded by Scripture. Jesus, who followed the law, could not condemn the woman without a trial (not to mention that the man is also required by Scripture to be present as well for trial and both are provided a chance to confess their sins) . That is the point and context of the passage. What you are saying is just personal spin/opinion with no support from the text. You seem to do this repeatedly and it is a danger because you are saying these things with no Biblical support.
Similarly by Scripture there is no requirement to observe a Friday/Saturday Sabbath. As Christians we are to observe the Sabbath 7 days a week by believing in Jesus Christ who IS our Sabbath rest.
C
Jesus said keep my COMMANDMENTS. Also, which other laws were written directly by god? Also, if we are not still required to keep the sabbath, why did all the apostles, including paul keep the sabbath? Keeping the sabbath is not somthing that saves, however, jesus said if you love me,keep my commandments,and one of gods commandments was the sabbath.(though because it can be inconvenient, some people decide not to keep it)
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2 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. - 1 John 3
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. - John 6
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. -- John 15 (which is the continuation from John 14 where you quoted from).
Jesus was not referring to the 10 commandments at all when He made that statement.
Not to mention we know that Jesus was accused on several occasions of violating the Sabbath.
Also, "the law" in the Bible refers to the first 5 books of the OT. There is no distinction between the commandments and the Mosaic law. God wrote them all!
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The Sabbath was never given to the gentile. In all of the sins listed in the new testament, there is not mention of the sabbath. Romans 14:5. When you read the old testament, remember the word Gentile is nowhere to be found. If you are going to quote Leviticus and put yourself under the law, you had better not pick and choose, you better get ready to present your sacrifice or offering to the Lord of Hosts this Saturday. If you attend church on Sunday you had better get back to a Saturday. Cheers
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Again, this is your opinion. There is nothing in the Bible that says the commandments are "extra special."
And this is all beside the point. The point is that Christians do not have to observe the Sabbath in the Old Testament manner. We are to observe it 7 days a week.
If you try to keep the law and fail in one point, you are cursed. You have put yourself under all of the Mosaic laws. It is futile. You can never keep the law. It won't work. Even with sabbath.
And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof: 10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
Have you been doing this every Sabbath?
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no,and neither did any of the apostles(after jesus died) they did however keep all of the commandments(including the sabbath). It also says jesus set us freefrom the law, however jesus said jeep the commandments. Also, explain why god decided out out all the laws, to write those 10 himself, did he just close his eyes and pick 10 randomly? or did he actually think they were the greatest laws?
