Sabbath: The Lord's Day

[Twinkle77]

Just reading the last few posts have saddened me a bit as there has been a bit of harshness of words between brothers in Christ.
2Timoth 2:24...And the Lord's servant must not quarrel. Instead he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
1 Peter 3:15 ....Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect....
Colossians 4:6 - Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone...

I will end with Romans 14: 5-13
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord and if we die, we die to the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. You, then why di you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgement seat. It is written "As surely as I live" says the Lord, "every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God".
So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us stop passing judgement on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.

Luv in Christ to each and everyone of you and may God reveal to each one of us His truth as we continue to grow in Him

 

[Bookends]

No where in the bible dos it say the lord's day is Sunday. There is only one verse in the whole bible that says Lord's day.


Rev_1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Although unique in Scripture, the term kuriakē hēmera has a long history in post-Biblical Greek. Like its abbreviated form, kuriakē, it is a familiar term in the Church Fathers for the first day of the week, and in modern Greek kuriakē is the usual term for Sunday. Its Latin equivalent, dominica dies, is a common designation for the same day, and has passed into several modern languages, such as Spanish, domingo, and French, dimanche, both terms for Sunday. For this reason many scholars hold the opinion that kuriakē hēmera in the present passage also refers to Sunday, and that John not only received his vision on that day but also recognized it as “the Lord’s day,” presumably because on that day Christ had risen from the dead.
There are both negative and positive reasons for rejecting this interpretation. First is the recognized principle of historical method, that an allusion is to be interpreted only in terms of evidence that is previous to it in point of time or contemporary with it, and not by historical data from a later period. This principle has an important bearing on the problem of the meaning of the expression “Lord’s day” as it appears in the present passage. Although this term occurs frequently in the Church Fathers with the meaning of Sunday, the first conclusive evidence of such use does not appear until the latter part of the 2d century in the Apocryphal Gospel According to Peter (9, 12; ANF, vol. 9, p. 8), where the day of Christ’s resurrection is termed the “Lord’s day.” Since this document was written at least three quarters of a century after John wrote the Revelation, it cannot be presented as a proof that the phrase “Lord’s day” in John’s time refers to Sunday. Numerous examples might be cited to show the rapidity with which words can change their meanings. Therefore the meaning of “Lord’s day” here is better determined by reference to Scripture rather than to subsequent literature.
On the positive side of the question is the fact that although the Scripture nowhere identifies Sunday as having any religious connection with the Lord, repeatedly it recognizes that the seventh day, the Sabbath, is the Lord’s special day. God is said to have blessed and sanctified the seventh day (see Gen. 2:3); He declared it to be the memorial of His act of creation (see Ex. 20:11); He called it specifically “my holy day” (see Isa. 58:13); and Jesus declared Himself to be “Lord also of the sabbath” (see Mark 2:28) in the sense that as Lord of men, He was also Lord over that which was made for man, the Sabbath. Thus, when the phrase “Lord’s day” is interpreted in accordance with evidence prior to and contemporary with John’s time, it appears that there is only one day to which it can refer, and that is the seventh-day Sabbath.
Nichol, Francis D.: The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, Volume 7. Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1978; 2002, S. 735

In part, true. Thanks for correcting me. However, The Lord's day is whatever day Christians worship on. Most Sabbatarians say that you have to worship on the sabbath. The evidence in the bible suggest that Christians gathered and worshiped on Sunday, Acts 20:7, 7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

Also, at Pentecost the believer where given the Holy Spirit. Pentecost always fell on Sunday, See this link "The Mystery of the Date of Pentecost".

So if you wish to worship on Saturday, that's fine, as long as you don't hold it above any other day! That's the problem, Sabbatarians fail to recognize the true meaning of the sabbath and are in danger of slipping back into the old types and shadows of OT law, in which according to Hebrews is an

It is the literal day Sabbath keepers that force the debate. For they say if you don't worship on Saturday, then you've take the mark of the beast. Hebrews 4:10, 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Generally through out History the Lord's day is called Sunday because this was the day the Lord had risen.

If the guys on this site don't hold to the literal sabbath day as thee day to worship only or as a necessity to be save, then please accept my apology.

 

[Bookends]

Just reading the last few posts have saddened me a bit as there has been a bit of harshness of words between brothers in Christ.
2Timoth 2:24...And the Lord's servant must not quarrel. Instead he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
1 Peter 3:15 ....Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect....
Colossians 4:6 - Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone...

I will end with Romans 14: 5-13
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord and if we die, we die to the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. You, then why di you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgement seat. It is written "As surely as I live" says the Lord, "every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God".
So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us stop passing judgement on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.

Luv in Christ to each and everyone of you and may God reveal to each one of us His truth as we continue to grow in Him

It is wrong to argue for the sake of arguing or for the joy of arguing, that is sin. But arguing for the truth against false doctrine is biblical.

 

[Bookends]

The sabbath was not an issue back then. Acts shows that they kept the Sabbath of the Lord

[FONT=&quot]Acts 13:14[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(14) But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue [/FONT][FONT=&quot]on the sabbath day, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and sat down.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Acts 13:27[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(27) For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read [/FONT][FONT=&quot]every sabbath day,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Acts 13:42[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the next sabbath.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Acts 13:44[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(44) And [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the next sabbath day[/FONT][FONT=&quot] came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Acts 16:13[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(13) And [/FONT][FONT=&quot]on the sabbath[/FONT][FONT=&quot] we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Acts 17:2[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(2) And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and [/FONT][FONT=&quot]three sabbath days[/FONT][FONT=&quot]reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Acts 18:4[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
(4) And he reasoned in the synagogue [/FONT][FONT=&quot]every sabbath,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.


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They enter the synagogue on Saturday for one reason, to reason, persuade and preach the Jews to accept the truth of the Gospel. Where else would they go to be heard my many.

 

[Dude653]

If the ox is in the ditch, get it out. This legalistic nonsense is annoying

 

[JaumeJ]

Yahweh, God, likens disobedience to idolatry. The commandments and the laws depicting simple good behavior are second nature to those who know Yeshua, such as the one cited about taking an ox out of a pit or a ditch. It says to do this even if the ox belongs to an enemy. You are also supposed to care for it until the owner returns to find it. It sure sounds like our Lord, Yeshua, teaching. Learn of the laws, you will know which to obey and which require mercy. You will know which are ceremonial and which pertain to living in the old Israel, and finally which pertain to sacrifices for peace offerings, free will offerings, sin offerings etc. When you know them, you will understand the ones that fall under the two great laws of Love, for there is never sin in love. Of course there is no sacrifice since our Savior was sacrificed for our sins, amen.

 

[Dude653]

...So guest visits your church and needs a chair... ''Sorry, geting you a chair would be work, so I guess your're just gonna have to stand'' Oh and fellowship dinners...cant do that either, cause preparing the food is work. Oh and you have to go to church naked, because getting dressed is work too....oh wait a minute,,you cant go to church at all because walking to the car is work.....

 

[JaumeJ]

Yeshua has made it crystal clear there are not laws against doing good any day of the week, including the Sabbath. I was under the impression this is clear in the two great laws of Love also. I do not understand the total lack of understanding many times in this forum. It seems it is frequently deliberate to destabilize the weak in the faith. If this is so, then it is the presence of trolls, and that is one big pity.

 

[LawofLove]

In part, true. Thanks for correcting me. However, The Lord's day is whatever day Christians worship on. Most Sabbatarians say that you have to worship on the sabbath. The evidence in the bible suggest that Christians gathered and worshiped on Sunday, Acts 20:7, 7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

Also, at Pentecost the believer where given the Holy Spirit. Pentecost always fell on Sunday, See this link "The Mystery of the Date of Pentecost".

So if you wish to worship on Saturday, that's fine, as long as you don't hold it above any other day! That's the problem, Sabbatarians fail to recognize the true meaning of the sabbath and are in danger of slipping back into the old types and shadows of OT law, in which according to Hebrews is an

It is the literal day Sabbath keepers that force the debate. For they say if you don't worship on Saturday, then you've take the mark of the beast. Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Acts 20:7 dos talk about the first day of the week but by no means teach us to keep it or any other day as Sabbath. And the fact that they broke bread on that day says nothing other than they like to eat together read Act 2:46 they did this every day.

Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

The fact that Pentecost happened, I don't see how that teaches us "not" to keep the 7th day Sabbath or how that teaches us "to" keep Sunday worship.

In heb 4 I see where the writer compares the 7th day Sabbath day with the rest we have in God but that dos not mean they are one and the same rest. Hebrews teaches us spiritual rest but the 7th day Sabbath teaches not only spiritual rest but also Physical rest, not only Physical rest it was also a day to remember the creator and what he created. But all in all heb 4 dos not teach us not to keep the 7th day Sabbath even if they where the same, which they are not. If you see them as the same please provide the evidence.

Generally through out History the Lord's day is called Sunday because this was the day the Lord had risen.

The fact that through out History the lord's day is called Sunday just means they added to the word of God. I know people today that try to say that marrying more than one person is ok just because history shows that people did that. That dos not make it truth.

If the guys on this site don't hold to the literal sabbath day as thee day to worship only or as a necessity to be save, then please accept my apology.

I think "If" is the key word here. I haven't seen one person say you had to keep it to be saved. I think we all can agree that the Laws of God are not there to save us but there to show us what sin is (Rom 3:20). The same chapter shows us in verse 31 that even if we have faith we should still establish the law and not making void of it.

 

[DiscipleDave]

It is wrong to argue for the sake of arguing or for the joy of arguing, that is sin. But arguing for the truth against false doctrine is biblical.

This is so True, i have wrote an article on this very thing, that people say it is not good to argue, yet that is exactly what the Apostles did concerning the Gospel. We are not to argue or dispute at all, EXCEPT for those things which concern the Kingdom of God, and as you say it is Biblical. Please click HERE to read article.

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[DiscipleDave]

They enter the synagogue on Saturday for one reason, to reason, persuade and preach the Jews to accept the truth of the Gospel. Where else would they go to be heard my many.

That is so True, In my article i have stated this Truth, for many people claim that we must KEEP the SABBATH, because of all the examples of the Apostles teaching in the synagogues on the Sabbath, to which i respond with what you said above. They went to the synagogues on the Sabbath, not to keep the Sabbath, but to teach the Gospel, for what better place to go and teach the Gospel which would have a large group of people to hear it? Well at that time large groups of people would gather in the synagogue on the Sabbath Day, this then would be the day they would attend so they could preach the Gospel.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

Yahweh, God, likens disobedience to idolatry. The commandments and the laws depicting simple good behavior are second nature to those who know Yeshua, such as the one cited about taking an ox out of a pit or a ditch. It says to do this even if the ox belongs to an enemy. You are also supposed to care for it until the owner returns to find it. It sure sounds like our Lord, Yeshua, teaching. Learn of the laws, you will know which to obey and which require mercy. You will know which are ceremonial and which pertain to living in the old Israel, and finally which pertain to sacrifices for peace offerings, free will offerings, sin offerings etc. When you know them, you will understand the ones that fall under the two great laws of Love, for there is never sin in love. Of course there is no sacrifice since our Savior was sacrificed for our sins, amen.

What are His Commandments?

I John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

Now the next verse the Apostle John tells us plainly what HIS COMMANDMENTS are:

I John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24: And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

So then according to the Word of God His Commandments are
Believe on Jesus Christ
Love One Another

Do these two things and you fulfill ALL the commandments.

^i^

 

[ozell]

Just reading the last few posts have saddened me a bit as there has been a bit of harshness of words between brothers in Christ.
2Timoth 2:24...And the Lord's servant must not quarrel. Instead he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
1 Peter 3:15 ....Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect....
Colossians 4:6 - Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone...

I will end with Romans 14: 5-13
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord and if we die, we die to the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. For this reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. You, then why di you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgement seat. It is written "As surely as I live" says the Lord, "every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God".
So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us stop passing judgement on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.

Luv in Christ to each and everyone of you and may God reveal to each one of us His truth as we continue to grow in Him

the Lord said contend for the faith

Jude 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

the sabbath was delivered to the saints not Sunday.

 

[JaumeJ]

Anything from the Word and from life that fit within the two great laws of love are the commandments. I believe the Ten Commandments fit perfectly withing the scope of these commandments without cursing anyone.

 

[ozell]

What are His Commandments?



Now the next verse the Apostle John tells us plainly what HIS COMMANDMENTS are:



So then according to the Word of God His Commandments are
Believe on Jesus Christ
Love One Another

Do these two things and you fulfill ALL the commandments.

^i^

where was the new testament when this was written?

next

how do you believe on Jesus?
how do you Love one another?

easy the 10 commandments

 

[ozell]

...So guest visits your church and needs a chair... ''Sorry, geting you a chair would be work, so I guess your're just gonna have to stand'' Oh and fellowship dinners...cant do that either, cause preparing the food is work. Oh and you have to go to church naked, because getting dressed is work too....oh wait a minute,,you cant go to church at all because walking to the car is work.....

according to your theory Jesus sinned

he stood up from the chair and then sat down when he had finish reading.
Jesus went in naked in to the synagogue according to your knowledge

food is prepared on the preparation day which is friday

Jesus must have walked to the synagogue from where he was abiding

so Jesus sinned according to your understanding?

Luke 4
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

 

[ozell]

If the ox is in the ditch, get it out. This legalistic nonsense is annoying

Jesus is a legalist

 

[ozell]

They enter the synagogue on Saturday for one reason, to reason, persuade and preach the Jews to accept the truth of the Gospel. Where else would they go to be heard my many.

none sense!!!!!!!!!!!!

you lack understanding


it was Jesus custom and Paul's manner

because it was a commandments from Jesus

lets read


Leviticus 23:1-3

King James Version (KJV)

1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings


it is a commandments to have a holy Gathering on the sabbath

notice it don't say the 1st day of the week concerning his weekly gathering

 

[ozell]

Jesus nor any of His Apostles never, not once, instructed Christians to keep the Sabbath? Doesn't anyone else find that strange, if indeed it is something that Jesus wanted us to continue to follow?

Keeping the Sabbath was a LAW under the old covenant, yet under the new covenant we see no such law at all, nor are we told to continue to do that old covenant law. For more information on this topic please read the following webpages, click on them to go:

Should we obey the Old Testament part one
Should we obey the Old Testament part two
and
Sabbath keeping?

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its not strange because the disciples/apostles where christians

Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

the israleites/jews were christians way before any other nation.

 

[JaumeJ]

If the ox is in the ditch, get it out. This legalistic nonsense is annoying

I am sorry I had to unlike this because I misunderstood. I hope I am not misunderstanding now. That particular law is on good conduct. If your enemy's or your neighbor's ox is loose or somehow fallen into a pit, you are told to get it out of the pit, and care for it until your enemy, or neighbor comes for it.
Although it is a law, it certainly falls under the category also of the laws of love.
There is no evil in this law, it simply points out good conduct, and unhappily, many folks need this nudge. (Please correct me if I did misunderstand again.)
We should by nature do these things if we love. So, the law is good to study, and to learn, but the most important thing is grace and to trust Yeshua, Jesus, and place our faith fully in Him, amen-