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Paul preached and taught to keep God's laws and commandments. Why? Because it was a law of God!
Matt.5
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Matt.5
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Why would Paul teach keeping God's laws and commandments if men are no longer under them?
1 Cor.5
[8] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
[9] I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
[10] Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
[11] But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Paul not only tells us to keep God's laws...he also tells us to keep His feast days as well.
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The changes are God's upon the believer.
Your one of those that states - "if you want Jesus to come into your life, you have to clean up the ship,
you have to really get right with Him first.........you have to show Him your really serious".........
"And then and only then, might He consider to save you"
Your of those that say you must make the outside of the vessel clean..........
before God can clean the inside."
Complete and utter heresy.
I know what you are trying to say, and believe me: that is exactly what the logic of your argument states.
You might not realize it but that IS infact the doctrine you are claiming.
Your one of those that states - "if you want Jesus to come into your life, you have to clean up the ship,
you have to really get right with Him first.........you have to show Him your really serious".........
"And then and only then, might He consider to save you"
Your of those that say you must make the outside of the vessel clean..........
before God can clean the inside."
Complete and utter heresy.
I know what you are trying to say, and believe me: that is exactly what the logic of your argument states.
You might not realize it but that IS infact the doctrine you are claiming.
I believe all will agree we keep the Words of the Gospel as given, with His Blood, by Yeshua, Jesus. Therefore what He teaches regarding the law and the prophets, we must practice. He teaches to obey the Father, and we do this in following His own Example, learning directly from Him. The Kingdom and the Power and the Glory are all Yahweh, God's, therefore, His rules, His Way, and His Way is given to each of us by the Lord, Yeshua, Jesus, amen.
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mmmm.... I'll answer with scripture, maybe it'll get through the big wall that seems to surround your reading of scripture.......
yes, Jesus and His disciples ate from a field that was not His (at least that did not own in the eyes of the world that did not see Him as God and as owner of the universe) and that He did not pay for.
too tired to like it up. its in the gospel accounts...you know how many OT laws Jesus clarified and revealed the true meaning to? look up Eunuchs in the OT and then look it up in the NT.
David murdered Beersheba's first husband. God punished David right than. God corrects and chastens His children NOW so they can learn and grow. He doesn't wait until the end of the world to do it.
see above statement about how God does it NOW to His children.
you should read more of Hebrews. especially the part where JESUS is the HIGH priest and goes into the TRUE temple in HEAVEN and offers His blood for the atonement of sin. How the earthly temple and veil are symbolic of the Heavenly temple and the veil that separate GOD from MAN and how Jesus mediated a NEW covenant that makes it so we can see GOD again. Go back and read about Moses and how the people demanded he put a veil on after talking to God because they were scared....
law of sin and death... since you're not really listening I'll leave it at that...
because those who are born again will be able to OVERCOME by the HOLY SPIRIT.
it was not removed, it was fulfilled but so were so many others, but we can talk about it if you are actually willing to listen which I don't sense you are really paying attention at all you'd rather argue and pick at trivial things said then listen to what is actually being spoken.
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excuse me, I need a scripture break....
there much better.. you were saying?
yes, Jesus and His disciples ate from a field that was not His (at least that did not own in the eyes of the world that did not see Him as God and as owner of the universe) and that He did not pay for.
too tired to like it up. its in the gospel accounts...you know how many OT laws Jesus clarified and revealed the true meaning to? look up Eunuchs in the OT and then look it up in the NT.
David murdered Beersheba's first husband. God punished David right than. God corrects and chastens His children NOW so they can learn and grow. He doesn't wait until the end of the world to do it.
see above statement about how God does it NOW to His children.
you should read more of Hebrews. especially the part where JESUS is the HIGH priest and goes into the TRUE temple in HEAVEN and offers His blood for the atonement of sin. How the earthly temple and veil are symbolic of the Heavenly temple and the veil that separate GOD from MAN and how Jesus mediated a NEW covenant that makes it so we can see GOD again. Go back and read about Moses and how the people demanded he put a veil on after talking to God because they were scared....
law of sin and death... since you're not really listening I'll leave it at that...
because those who are born again will be able to OVERCOME by the HOLY SPIRIT.
it was not removed, it was fulfilled but so were so many others, but we can talk about it if you are actually willing to listen which I don't sense you are really paying attention at all you'd rather argue and pick at trivial things said then listen to what is actually being spoken.
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excuse me, I need a scripture break....
there much better.. you were saying?
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Yes.....I was saying the following....
Let's read of some laws, that if done, will NOT allow one to enter into God's kingdom.....
Rev.22
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Now let's read what is needed to enter into God's kingdom....
Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
So....would it be fair to say that man is yet under some type of law that must be obeyed?
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Let's read of some laws, that if done, will NOT allow one to enter into God's kingdom.....
Rev.22
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Now let's read what is needed to enter into God's kingdom....
Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
So....would it be fair to say that man is yet under some type of law that must be obeyed?
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there are others but lets start with this post:
maybe its too small Rick. let me make it bigger maybe that will help....
though Rick I don't think he is saying its through his own power or works that he is being saved.
he is just confused about which laws are of the Spirit and which are of sin and death.
unless i read it wrong, he understand that salvation is a work of God and not of man.
i think if we systematically go through how Jesus fulfilled the shadows/laws found in the OT it might be useful.
just not sure if I'll have the time or the ability to explain it clearly. maybe someone will jump into the conversation....either that or I'll go on a pastor hunt, lol.
maybe its too small Rick. let me make it bigger maybe that will help....
though Rick I don't think he is saying its through his own power or works that he is being saved.
he is just confused about which laws are of the Spirit and which are of sin and death.
unless i read it wrong, he understand that salvation is a work of God and not of man.
i think if we systematically go through how Jesus fulfilled the shadows/laws found in the OT it might be useful.
just not sure if I'll have the time or the ability to explain it clearly. maybe someone will jump into the conversation....either that or I'll go on a pastor hunt, lol.