Revelation 20:1-10 discussion

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peterT

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Bookends said:
About Daniel I don't have the time to answer atm, but if you want I'll make a new thread and answer that another day...

As far as Matt. 24:41, are you sure the one taken isn't the one going to hell? Who was taken in Noah's day? Who as taken in Sodom and Gomorrah? I think you have it backward bud. The left behind enters the new heaven and new earth. I don't we'll ever see eye to eye on this :rolleyes:
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You have Jesus coming twice already in the past.

Matt24 It’s just simple

Jesus comes at the end of the world.

29Immediately after the tribulation.

he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds.

one shall be taken, and the other left.

There is no gathering of the tares in Matt24

By the time the angels gather us together in the clouds all the tares are already bind in bundles to be burn 666
 
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zone said:
no Bookends...its not off topic.

Daniel 2
Daniel Interprets the Dream
31“You saw, O king, and behold, a great image. This image, mighty and of exceeding brightness, stood before you, and its appearance was frightening. 32The head of this image was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its middle and thighs of bronze, 33its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. 34 As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. 35Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

36“This was the dream. Now we will tell the king its interpretation. 37You, O king, the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory, 38and into whose hand he has given, wherever they dwell, the children of man, the beasts of the field, and the birds of the heavens, making you rule over them all—you are the head of gold. 39Another kingdom inferior to you shall arise after you, and yet a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth. 40And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things. And like iron that crushes, it shall break and crush all these. 41And as you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom, but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the soft clay. 42And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle. 43As you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage,c but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay. 44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever, 45just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure.”

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And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever:)

just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold

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Psalm 118:22
The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone;

Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who trusts will never be dismayed.

Matthew 21:42
Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: "'The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes'?

Mark 12:9
"What then will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others.
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It doesn’t matter how to try to look at is zone.

There are 5 kingdoms in Daniel 2, NOT 4

Jesus was born in the Roman Empire the legs of iron

Not in the church age the feet of clay and iron.

We Christians are the clay and the stone comes to the feet

Isaiah 41:25 I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.

Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

Job 10:9 Remember, I beseech thee, that thou hast made me as the clay; and wilt thou bring me into dust again?

Job 13:12 Your remembrances are like unto ashes, your bodies to bodies of clay.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding

You are trying too hard in your own strength Zone.


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Yes, but I was referring the 4 satanic kingdoms, the fifth kingdom is the Chruch, whom God hued out without human hands. We are in the fifth kingdom now...
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Sounds right to me we are the 5th kingdom of the vision in Daniel 2, the fifth kingdom is the Church age in the vision (CLAY)

But Zone as got Jesus coming at his birth as the stone.

But the stone comes to the feet of CLAY and iron, at the end of the CLAY the church age so how is it his birth.
 
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peterT said:
Sounds right to me we are the 5th kingdom of the vision in Daniel 2, the fifth kingdom is the Church age in the vision (CLAY)

But Zone as got Jesus coming at his birth as the stone.

But the stone comes to the feet of CLAY and iron, at the end of the CLAY the church age so how is it his birth.
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I agree with Zone here, the stone is NT Church with Christ as it's king, the feet of clay and iron symbolizes a weakened Roman empire that fell apart from with in, due to Christian endurance and perseverance.
 
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psychomom said:
I hope I didn't offend you, Red.

Caroline was referring to the pagan belief that this day would be 'the end of the world' (quite literally), and she was gently mocking the idea that God is held to a pagan timetable.
She had written 'apocalypse' on the kitchen calendar and then 4 days later "Christmas". We laughed at the irony of that. :)

I am, personally, settled into the 'premillenial' camp.
I just would like to understand what everyone else is talking about. :)

Wishing you and yours a very Happy Christmas,
ellie
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Red33 said:
Not at all, just relating to some of the attitudes that prevail when this kind of thing happens.
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Really ?? I read your initial response the same way ..... " The transferring of the Mayan apocalypse failure thingy causing those who deny Christ in the first place to see that said failure as a poor witness of God's existence" .... whatever any of that meant. And to be even more frank (and honest), I'm of the opinion that it was Ellie's admission to being a pre-miller that soothed you over. But hey,.... what do I know ? I'm just a cave dwelling amil guy not looking for the "three advents of Christ"

 
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Bookends said:
I agree with Zone here, the stone is NT Church with Christ as it's king, the feet of clay and iron symbolizes a weakened Roman empire that fell apart from with in, due to Christian endurance and perseverance.
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Roman empire felling apart is not new kingdom

The legs of iron was the roman empire and jesus come in that time

The feet of clay and iron is the church age and todays system which is now. And the stone comes at the end of that, and that would be Jesus coming at the end of the world.

What do you mean I’m not interested? As you said in your last thread

Of course I am interested, this thread is one of the most interesting threads I have been on in a month, and I love to hear what you have to say, so then maybe I can understand and help
 
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Really ?? I read your initial response the same way ..... " The transferring of the Mayan apocalypse failure thingy causing those who deny Christ in the first place to see that said failure as a poor witness of God's existence" .... whatever any of that meant. And to be even more frank (and honest), I'm of the opinion that it was Ellie's admission to being a pre-miller that soothed you over. But hey,.... what do I know ? I'm just a cave dwelling amil guy not looking for the "three advents of Christ"
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I am glad that Ellie has the conviction of the scriptures concerning Christ and the church and if others grow hardened in their heart toward the gospel then we will have to pray that God will break up that fallow ground so that mercy can enter. Truth is personal but we are dead in our flesh through the cross and that includes the mind of the flesh and all forms of lusts that make up the old man. Dead men don't react, they live in resurrection life and do not have the time or the calling to be sensitive to the things of the flesh.​
 
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Angels from heaven are real. Jesus Christs' resurrection as King of Kings is real. Equally as fallen angels are real, so are the chains spoken of in Revelation relating to binding the devil, they are real. There is not a thing figurative about our life on this planet. Think about it.
 
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My thought is about the "rest of the dead who did not come to life until after the 1,000 years" are possibly the souls
that took the mark of the beast. Thats my interpretation. What do you think?
 
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Red33 said:
I am glad that Ellie has the conviction of the scriptures concerning Christ and the church and if others grow hardened in their heart toward the gospel then we will have to pray that God will break up that fallow ground so that mercy can enter. Truth is personal but we are dead in our flesh through the cross and that includes the mind of the flesh and all forms of lusts that make up the old man. Dead men don't react, they live in resurrection life and do not have the time or the calling to be sensitive to the things of the flesh.​
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Red do you want me to tell u want i really think of you?
let me know ill do it in public or private email.
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Red33 said:
I am glad that Ellie has the conviction of the scriptures concerning Christ and the church and if others grow hardened in their heart toward the gospel then we will have to pray that God will break up that fallow ground so that mercy can enter. Truth is personal but we are dead in our flesh through the cross and that includes the mind of the flesh and all forms of lusts that make up the old man. Dead men don't react, they live in resurrection life and do not have the time or the calling to be sensitive to the things of the flesh.​
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Red do you want me to tell u want i really think of you?
let me know ill do it in public or private email.
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Do it in public so that others can see where your heart is at. We don't want any pseudo relationships being expressed through the mind of the flesh but rather those that are rooting in the cross. If there is no cross then there will be no resurrection life. Doctrine means nothing if not rooted in Christ and understood through the Spirit of life. If we have to discredit and malign those who God has raised up and who have made contributions to the body of Christ through the grace of God and a labour of love, I would say that there is a great need to back tract all the way back to the cross and let death get worked in so that our understanding of these things has life through the Spirit instead of being contrived through the mind of the flesh.
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Bookends said:
Yeah, well the Mayans aren't the only ones who predicted the end and was wrong, many Christians of the modern day Church have also done this, and made the Church look like a fool. I won't say of what eschatology all these false predictions came out of tho, for I love them too...But it's not hard to figure it out!
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:)

I just had to add that Cari topped herself yesterday saying that if anyone gets upset today,
we can say, "Relax! It's not the end of the world!"
(she's still joking about the Mayan thing, but I do appreciate what you said. ♥)

Sorry to be off topic, but since it's Kat's thread, I know it's okay.

And a mom has to brag about her kiddos, right? :)

(Mark says God gave us Cari for comic relief. ;) )
 
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And just to everyone:

Please accept my apologies for throwing a monkey wrench into the works? :eek:

(i just knew it should have been a pipe wrench...can't keep my tools straight!)

 
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And just to everyone:
Please accept my apologies for throwing a monkey wrench into the works? :eek:
(i just knew it should have been a pipe wrench...can't keep my tools straight!)
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It's too late Ellie. If it weren't for Cari's healthy sense of humour (I love a good sense of humour btw :)), we'd all be in agreement that Christ only returns once :D I should have spotted "Ellie, the troublemaker" from the onset .... lol :p You owe us nothing Ellie .... least of all an apology. Some topics are heatedly controversial. This is one of them :)
 
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Dead men don't react, they live in resurrection life and do not have the time or the calling to be sensitive to the things of the flesh.​
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Sorta off-topic ... but your beard needs a trim Red :eek:
 
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OK, good thread gone bad [again]. Lots of interesting and some meaningful things have been said in the course of almost 300 posts. Would everyone take a time off, step back, then give YOUR summation of how you interpret Revelation 20:1-10. I can addi it to your doctrinal statements on the subject, write it as if you were putting another page in your doctrinal statement booklet. Zone, how do you do it???
 
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