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I agree with you that Biblical faith and human love are not comparable, but that is not what I was talking about. I was saying our feelings can change and because we are fickle creatures it would be wrong to say that a divorcing couple never ever loved each other, and although God is faithful, the same is not true for us.
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Yep. the train people try to take by trying to steer it themselves, By working to earn salvation, working to not lose salvation, or working to keep salvation. This train is bound for no where. Well wait. it is bound for somewhere, eternity away from God. Why? because instead of trusting Christ, his promise of ETERNAL LIFE (OSAS) to keep his promise. we try to earn it. Which we will never, ever ever ever, be able to do.
I'm sorry, perhaps you misunderstood me. It's statements like the one above this writing that I'm referring to.
Ephesians 2:10 [SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
All the other verses prove this:
Titus 2:14 [SUP]14 [/SUP] Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Titus 3:8 [SUP]8 [/SUP] This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Matthew 5:16 [SUP]16 [/SUP] Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
John 10:32 [SUP]32 [/SUP] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
2 Timothy 3:17 [SUP]17 [/SUP] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Titus 2:7-8 [SUP]7[/SUP]In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity, [SUP]8 [/SUP]Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
Titus 2:14 [SUP]14 [/SUP] Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Titus 3:8 [SUP]8 [/SUP] This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Titus 3:14 [SUP]14 [/SUP] And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
Hebrews 10:24 [SUP]24 [/SUP] And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
James 3:13 [SUP]13 [/SUP] Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
1 Peter 2:12 [SUP]12 [/SUP] Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
And my personal favorite for this thread.......
Titus 1:16 [SUP]16 [/SUP] They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Since I mentioned no names with this last verse, I expect no judgmental comments. Unless you're guilty, of course.
Ephesians 2:10 [SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
All the other verses prove this:
Titus 2:14 [SUP]14 [/SUP] Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Titus 3:8 [SUP]8 [/SUP] This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Matthew 5:16 [SUP]16 [/SUP] Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
John 10:32 [SUP]32 [/SUP] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
2 Timothy 3:17 [SUP]17 [/SUP] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Titus 2:7-8 [SUP]7[/SUP]In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity, [SUP]8 [/SUP]Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
Titus 2:14 [SUP]14 [/SUP] Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Titus 3:8 [SUP]8 [/SUP] This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Titus 3:14 [SUP]14 [/SUP] And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
Hebrews 10:24 [SUP]24 [/SUP] And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
James 3:13 [SUP]13 [/SUP] Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
1 Peter 2:12 [SUP]12 [/SUP] Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
And my personal favorite for this thread.......
Titus 1:16 [SUP]16 [/SUP] They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Since I mentioned no names with this last verse, I expect no judgmental comments. Unless you're guilty, of course.
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Why are you looking for signs and wonders Cobus? Jesus told those looking for signs and wonders that none would be given to them but the sign of Jonah. There is no magic formula besides 100% faith and belief in the atoning work of Jesus Christ on the cross. There is nothing you nor I can do or become to receive this gift but understand this.
Read the story of the rich man, starting at Matthew 19:16...The rich man asked Jesus how to receive eternal life. The rich man said he kept all the commandments, but still felt he was missing something. Jesus said go sell everything you have, follow me and you will have treasure in heaven...The man went away sad and distraught because he had much...Don't you see, this rich man is a picture of Jesus!!!! Most people want to say poor old rich man, too bad he couldn't do what Jesus said, he must be bound for hell...But this not what Jesus said...Look, Jesus asked this man to do what Jesus actually did...Jesus left his home from above, His throne, Jesus left His riches in heaven, to become nothing but bread crumbs for us. Jesus said he has no place to lay His head while here on earth. No body can do what Jesus did, I don't fault the rich man. Nobody can enter heaven, unless they thread a camel through an eye of a needle...If Jesus makes you perfectly sinless, do you think then you can tread the camel through they eye of a needle?? NO, you can't...Well WHO can be saved then...Nobody, except by the grace and power of Jesus which comes in the 100% belief and faith of what He accomplished on the Cross, not on what HE will or may accomplish in you...Jesus wants to impart His Perfect righteousness to you right now Cobus, in spite of you sin. He'll wash you right now...Please take your focus off yourself and place it in Jesus!!!
I am praying you right now Cobus...I hope God will open you eyes to this truth.
Read the story of the rich man, starting at Matthew 19:16...The rich man asked Jesus how to receive eternal life. The rich man said he kept all the commandments, but still felt he was missing something. Jesus said go sell everything you have, follow me and you will have treasure in heaven...The man went away sad and distraught because he had much...Don't you see, this rich man is a picture of Jesus!!!! Most people want to say poor old rich man, too bad he couldn't do what Jesus said, he must be bound for hell...But this not what Jesus said...Look, Jesus asked this man to do what Jesus actually did...Jesus left his home from above, His throne, Jesus left His riches in heaven, to become nothing but bread crumbs for us. Jesus said he has no place to lay His head while here on earth. No body can do what Jesus did, I don't fault the rich man. Nobody can enter heaven, unless they thread a camel through an eye of a needle...If Jesus makes you perfectly sinless, do you think then you can tread the camel through they eye of a needle?? NO, you can't...Well WHO can be saved then...Nobody, except by the grace and power of Jesus which comes in the 100% belief and faith of what He accomplished on the Cross, not on what HE will or may accomplish in you...Jesus wants to impart His Perfect righteousness to you right now Cobus, in spite of you sin. He'll wash you right now...Please take your focus off yourself and place it in Jesus!!!
I am praying you right now Cobus...I hope God will open you eyes to this truth.
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Mark 16:17-18 [SUP]17 [/SUP]And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
What? You don't like what I said about eternal security being the FIRST step in spirituality?
John 3:3-7
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
You don't have to believe it. I just took exception to what you said about people who believe OSAS. I should have just let it roll off my back...
John 3:3-7
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
You don't have to believe it. I just took exception to what you said about people who believe OSAS. I should have just let it roll off my back...
I think it is more a misunderstanding and error in teaching than anything else.
The bible says my people perish for lack of knowledge. The reason people think they must work to earn salvation is because that is what the flesh does. That is all the flesh can do. The law was designed just for this mind-set bent on the performance of the flesh and not on the performance of God.
That is why the bible says lean not unto your own understanding. Because your (my) carnal mind messes you up. It is enmity to the spirit. OSAS doesn't make any sense to the carnal mind. Its because it is not true to the carnal mind. It is only true to the spiritual mind through the wisdom and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
The ways of the spirit are foolishness to the carnal man. Just like the ways of the carnal man are foolishness to the spiritual.
The bible says my people perish for lack of knowledge. The reason people think they must work to earn salvation is because that is what the flesh does. That is all the flesh can do. The law was designed just for this mind-set bent on the performance of the flesh and not on the performance of God.
That is why the bible says lean not unto your own understanding. Because your (my) carnal mind messes you up. It is enmity to the spirit. OSAS doesn't make any sense to the carnal mind. Its because it is not true to the carnal mind. It is only true to the spiritual mind through the wisdom and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
The ways of the spirit are foolishness to the carnal man. Just like the ways of the carnal man are foolishness to the spiritual.
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You seem to be making my point. What greater sin could we commit than to deny Christ. Yet, Peter was forgiven, and went on to become one of the greatest ministers For Christ and the Church. This could not have happened without his repentance. Peter followed the lesson he learned from the story of the prodigal son. For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. When Peter turned away from his denial, he was forgiven. He was no longer lost, at this point.
Peter still was misguided later in Galatians when Paul confronted him regarding old Jewish customs, not a denial, but sin neither the less...Beside that, I don't agree with you that peter was lost and I don't see the relationship of the parable of the prodigal son and Peter denial or life. I appreciate your thoughts though, Peace.
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Good question! "how do you know if you are really saved or not"?
Throughout the New Testament,it says,we are saved by grace through faith,here in Acts Chap.15 verse 11,it says....."But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ,we shall be saved,even as they".(Gentiles)
Notice Peter says"we believe",he doesn't say"we are".Why didn't he say "we are"??This would indicate Peter knew that becoming a Christian,and keeping God's commandments(New Testament)doesn't assure one that he/she is saved.Only God knows the heart of men,so he and only he,decides who is saved,and who is not.
What about works?What if someone does many good things?
[h=3]Galatians 2:16[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[SUP][a][/SUP] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
So then,how does anyone"know"they are saved?????