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Oneperson1993,
I have some questions.
1. Would you share your age with us? If you turn out to be 14, I don't think any of us really want to engage in a big sex-ed discussion with you. So, to discuss this kind of topic, age IS an issue for most of us.
2. What is YOUR opinion on the topic. Your opening post sounded like you were well aware of different views on this topic, so what is YOUR opinion.
3. WHY are you asking this?
Are you married?
Did you just get married?
Are you engaged?
Is there something in your life with make the question relevant to you,
or you just want to chat about sex all day on a Christian website?
I have some questions.
1. Would you share your age with us? If you turn out to be 14, I don't think any of us really want to engage in a big sex-ed discussion with you. So, to discuss this kind of topic, age IS an issue for most of us.
2. What is YOUR opinion on the topic. Your opening post sounded like you were well aware of different views on this topic, so what is YOUR opinion.
3. WHY are you asking this?
Are you married?
Did you just get married?
Are you engaged?
Is there something in your life with make the question relevant to you,
or you just want to chat about sex all day on a Christian website?
O
I must admit I never thought I would say this but coming on this site with this question in my opinion was a mistake I never would have expected that believers would attack you in such a way for asking this question. now if there is somebody who does not want to answer this question its okay you do not have to respond but as a new believer I never would have expected to get this result in a text that I have gotten just by asking this simple question. once again I regret even asking the question on this site and furthermore offended by those who I take it to be believers . that it is just not easy to bring this topic up with regular people that you see on a regular day this form is a great way to get information regarding the subject so please do not be judgmental as believers we should be ready and willing to answer any question that any person may have because these are real life topics in subjects
Really? And those scriptures quoted against this are misused? There's no scripture to cover this at all? Really?
Apparently some of you need to go back to the Old Testament & re-read it.
Genesis 1:20-28 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
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26 [/SUP]And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [SUP]27 [/SUP]So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. [SUP]28 [/SUP]And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
When God created the animals & man, They all knew automatically what to do. Procreate, not anal sex! Sheesh! Even most of the animals know better!
Genesis 4:1 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 4:17 (KJV) [SUP]17 [/SUP]And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 4:25 (KJV) [SUP]25 [/SUP]And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 19:31 (KJV) [SUP]31 [/SUP]And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
[HR][/HR]Genesis 30:16 (KJV) [SUP]16 [/SUP]And Jacob came out of the field in the evening, and Leah went out to meet him, and said, Thou must come in unto me; for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 38:16 (KJV) [SUP]16 [/SUP]And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?
[HR][/HR]Genesis 16:4 (KJV) [SUP]4 [/SUP]And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.[HR][/HR]Genesis 29:23 (KJV) [SUP]23 [/SUP]And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 30:4 (KJV) [SUP]4 [/SUP]And she gave him Bilhah her handmaid to wife: and Jacob went in unto her.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 38:2 (KJV) [SUP]2 [/SUP]And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 38:9 (KJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP]And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
[HR][/HR]Judges 16:1 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Then went Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her.
[HR][/HR]Ruth 4:13 (KJV) [SUP]13 [/SUP]So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bare a son.
[HR][/HR]2 Samuel 12:24 (KJV) [SUP]24 [/SUP]And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the LORD loved him.
[HR][/HR] Matthew 1:21-25 (KJV) [SUP]21 [/SUP]And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, [SUP]23 [/SUP]Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: [SUP]25 [/SUP]And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
EVERY TIME the scriptures use these phrases it means intercourse.
The WORLD'S definition of SODOMY:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
Sodomy /ˈsɒdəmi/ is generally anal sex, oral sex or sexual activity between a person and a non-human animal (bestiality), but may also include any non-procreative sexual activity.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] Originally, the term sodomy was usually restricted to anal sex,[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] and is derived from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in chapters 18 and 19 of the Book of Genesis in the Bible.[SUP][3][/SUP]Sodomy laws in many countries criminalized not only these behaviors, but other disfavored sexual activities as well.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] In the Western world, however, many of these laws have been overturned or are not routinely enforced.
Sodomy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Full Definition of SODOMY
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal
— sod·om·it·ic or sod·om·it·i·cal adjective
See sodomy defined for English-language learners »
Origin of SODOMY
Middle English, from Anglo-French sodomie, from Late LatinSodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1–11
God's original plan was intercourse, plain & simple. If He allows sodomy in the church He will have to apologize to Sodom & Gomorrah for destroying them, because their sin included men sodomizing their wives.
Oh, & what about bondage?
bondage
Derived from a term for slavery, Bondage has come to mean sexual slavery, particularly dealing with the simple practice of restraining one's parter to beds, posts, from ceilings, etc. Usually entails either rope (asian forms) or leather, chains, and other equipment specially designed for the purpose (western.)
Bondage considered a fetish, as enthusiasts generally prefer the thought or presence of a fully-clothed restrained partner to a fully nude and unrestrained partner.
And B&D?
Referring to the practice of restraining a sexual partner and then asserting one's control over them through a variety of methods, including, but not limited to:
* forced sexual positions
* humiliation
* forced climax
Then there's S&M, which is so bad I can't bring myself to print it!
So, it's ok to play rape games? Dress up like a little girl? Act out being strangers?
People should be careful what they say, & what they put their "likes" on.
Apparently some of you need to go back to the Old Testament & re-read it.
Genesis 1:20-28 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
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26 [/SUP]And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [SUP]27 [/SUP]So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. [SUP]28 [/SUP]And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
When God created the animals & man, They all knew automatically what to do. Procreate, not anal sex! Sheesh! Even most of the animals know better!
Genesis 4:1 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 4:17 (KJV) [SUP]17 [/SUP]And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 4:25 (KJV) [SUP]25 [/SUP]And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 19:31 (KJV) [SUP]31 [/SUP]And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
[HR][/HR]Genesis 30:16 (KJV) [SUP]16 [/SUP]And Jacob came out of the field in the evening, and Leah went out to meet him, and said, Thou must come in unto me; for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 38:16 (KJV) [SUP]16 [/SUP]And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?
[HR][/HR]Genesis 16:4 (KJV) [SUP]4 [/SUP]And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.[HR][/HR]Genesis 29:23 (KJV) [SUP]23 [/SUP]And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 30:4 (KJV) [SUP]4 [/SUP]And she gave him Bilhah her handmaid to wife: and Jacob went in unto her.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 38:2 (KJV) [SUP]2 [/SUP]And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.
[HR][/HR]Genesis 38:9 (KJV) [SUP]9 [/SUP]And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
[HR][/HR]Judges 16:1 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Then went Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her.
[HR][/HR]Ruth 4:13 (KJV) [SUP]13 [/SUP]So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bare a son.
[HR][/HR]2 Samuel 12:24 (KJV) [SUP]24 [/SUP]And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the LORD loved him.
[HR][/HR] Matthew 1:21-25 (KJV) [SUP]21 [/SUP]And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, [SUP]23 [/SUP]Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: [SUP]25 [/SUP]And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
EVERY TIME the scriptures use these phrases it means intercourse.
The WORLD'S definition of SODOMY:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
Sodomy /ˈsɒdəmi/ is generally anal sex, oral sex or sexual activity between a person and a non-human animal (bestiality), but may also include any non-procreative sexual activity.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] Originally, the term sodomy was usually restricted to anal sex,[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] and is derived from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in chapters 18 and 19 of the Book of Genesis in the Bible.[SUP][3][/SUP]Sodomy laws in many countries criminalized not only these behaviors, but other disfavored sexual activities as well.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] In the Western world, however, many of these laws have been overturned or are not routinely enforced.
Sodomy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Full Definition of SODOMY
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal
— sod·om·it·ic or sod·om·it·i·cal adjective
Origin of SODOMY
Middle English, from Anglo-French sodomie, from Late LatinSodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1–11
God's original plan was intercourse, plain & simple. If He allows sodomy in the church He will have to apologize to Sodom & Gomorrah for destroying them, because their sin included men sodomizing their wives.
Oh, & what about bondage?
bondage
Derived from a term for slavery, Bondage has come to mean sexual slavery, particularly dealing with the simple practice of restraining one's parter to beds, posts, from ceilings, etc. Usually entails either rope (asian forms) or leather, chains, and other equipment specially designed for the purpose (western.)
Bondage considered a fetish, as enthusiasts generally prefer the thought or presence of a fully-clothed restrained partner to a fully nude and unrestrained partner.
And B&D?
Referring to the practice of restraining a sexual partner and then asserting one's control over them through a variety of methods, including, but not limited to:
* forced sexual positions
* humiliation
* forced climax
Then there's S&M, which is so bad I can't bring myself to print it!
So, it's ok to play rape games? Dress up like a little girl? Act out being strangers?
People should be careful what they say, & what they put their "likes" on.
I'm sorry you had to go thru this. I am saddened & ashamed of the results you got that weren't even biblical. Please understand that this is pretty much everywhere in the church nowadays because of slipping standards & backsliding due to the falling away of the church:
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
If you had asked this question 50-60 years ago, you might have gotten a correct answer.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
If you had asked this question 50-60 years ago, you might have gotten a correct answer.
H
I haven't had the time to read all the post yet, but I think this could be a good study! Not oral sex in general but Lust of the flesh Galatians 5:19-21, uncleanness, lasciviousness. Marriage licenses doesn't give us the right to act immoral, giving in to the lusts of the flesh, I think oral sex would fall under immoral act. The stories of Lot and the cites of Sodom and Gomorrah would be a good study. There is nothing wrong in discussing these topics, this only shows you are concerned in what is right!!
hey, i'm new also, so i feel compelled to speak up a bit.
i don't want you to get the wrong idea about these people and community. i genuinely admire your desire to seek counsel of christian brothers and sisters if you are seeking to do what is right. that is commendable. i also can understand your frustration, as i believe you are earnestly seeking advice.
unfortunately, *laugh* you have asked about a subject that is one of MANY topics in which there is only gray area and so it continues to be widely debated. this subject has been word-studied to death and the subject of (married) oral sex is simply not specifically discussed in the bible, and anyone who tells you differently is taking a great deal of liberty in their interpretation.
it appears both sides have been presented fairly well, and now the ball is really in your court. while i feel ill-qualified to advise you whether this is right or wrong, academically, the answer to this is the same answer that applies to nearly every subject in the bible where we aren't given clear and specific instruction:
if this tugs at your spirit, i would encourage to not ignore that conviction, but follow it up with prayer. and in this case, conversation -- only you and your spouse can ultimately decide for yourselves as to what you both can agree is right for you (as aptly spoke by previous folks).
additionally, the bible also tells us that we are held sometimes to a higher level of accountability or different level of authority on certain topics that what other christians might find completely acceptable or held accountable for. if this is what you believe (or your spouse's) conviction is, then it is wrong for YOU no matter what any other christian tells you that you should do. as a general rule, if you don't have peace about a subject, it is better for you to abstain or wait in any "gray area" such as this, until you have peace in your spirit. somebody suggested talking to a pastor for guidance, and in any of these gray areas, it's a great piece of advice as well.
i want to be very clear, only when the subject is specifically not addressed in scripture do we have that freedom to pray and seek that boundary ourselves. for example the bible says we aren't to kill. there is no gray area, and therefore, God will never give you a level of acceptable authority that contradicts his word. the above is only true when there is no clear and specific instruction.
i really hope you don't judge this community and ALL the people based upon some of the responses. this is a community of all different kinds of people, and my limited experience has led me to conclude that the vast majority of them have proven to be kind and appear quite sincere. if you enjoy discussion with other christians about chrisitan living, i think you will find many people who will be happy to engage with you.
i don't want you to get the wrong idea about these people and community. i genuinely admire your desire to seek counsel of christian brothers and sisters if you are seeking to do what is right. that is commendable. i also can understand your frustration, as i believe you are earnestly seeking advice.
unfortunately, *laugh* you have asked about a subject that is one of MANY topics in which there is only gray area and so it continues to be widely debated. this subject has been word-studied to death and the subject of (married) oral sex is simply not specifically discussed in the bible, and anyone who tells you differently is taking a great deal of liberty in their interpretation.
it appears both sides have been presented fairly well, and now the ball is really in your court. while i feel ill-qualified to advise you whether this is right or wrong, academically, the answer to this is the same answer that applies to nearly every subject in the bible where we aren't given clear and specific instruction:
if this tugs at your spirit, i would encourage to not ignore that conviction, but follow it up with prayer. and in this case, conversation -- only you and your spouse can ultimately decide for yourselves as to what you both can agree is right for you (as aptly spoke by previous folks).
additionally, the bible also tells us that we are held sometimes to a higher level of accountability or different level of authority on certain topics that what other christians might find completely acceptable or held accountable for. if this is what you believe (or your spouse's) conviction is, then it is wrong for YOU no matter what any other christian tells you that you should do. as a general rule, if you don't have peace about a subject, it is better for you to abstain or wait in any "gray area" such as this, until you have peace in your spirit. somebody suggested talking to a pastor for guidance, and in any of these gray areas, it's a great piece of advice as well.
i want to be very clear, only when the subject is specifically not addressed in scripture do we have that freedom to pray and seek that boundary ourselves. for example the bible says we aren't to kill. there is no gray area, and therefore, God will never give you a level of acceptable authority that contradicts his word. the above is only true when there is no clear and specific instruction.
i really hope you don't judge this community and ALL the people based upon some of the responses. this is a community of all different kinds of people, and my limited experience has led me to conclude that the vast majority of them have proven to be kind and appear quite sincere. if you enjoy discussion with other christians about chrisitan living, i think you will find many people who will be happy to engage with you.
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Definetly it's not Ok. Sorry, but if it's my flesh, it's belong to Jesus. As my wife. Oral sex is most unrespectual thing what man could do to woman.
Sex is for giving love, not to satisfy your body. Which even is not yours, but belong to God.
We got one teacher - Jesus.
You should ask Him. In spirit we pray. Not in flesh.
Sex is for giving love, not to satisfy your body. Which even is not yours, but belong to God.
We got one teacher - Jesus.
You should ask Him. In spirit we pray. Not in flesh.
H
Does oral sex help with reproduction or does it please the lust of the flesh? One of the best pastors you can seek, is those of the Bible. No, the bible doesn't mention oral sex or gays. But it talks about uncleanness and leaving the natural use of the woman. What is the natural use of a woman?
Romans 1:24-28. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Romans 1:24-28. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
J
I love loving men with my heart, not mouth, never will do that and no amount of money given will be taken, as for the opposite, if a husband feels free in this I wouldn't try to tame him, but don't force others when it is uncomfortable. Some hot topics, how about more verbal words of love,,, I'll take it... and just to be sure I would tell the man the Lord gives me, I don't do that, what you do is between you and God.
N
Jesus lives in me; how can i do such sin? I'm not married, but i got sick when i at first saw porno. I run to toilet,to split all mess out. Worst day of my life. Brothers and sisters never ever watch on something naked. Even if its your wife. You should respect her as self. The most biggest shame, to me when your soul gets freaked by this world. Also it's ok that you share your question. We all are one body in Jesus Christ. Maybe someone gets answer. I'm so worry, becouse when you get dirt it so hard to go in front of Jesus. But His amazing love, forgives us. He see our hearts. And most of all you will try not get dirt again ever. Become holy.
J
1Corinthians 7:3-5: " Let the husband render to his wife her due, but let the wife do likewise to her husband. The wife does not exercise authority over her own body, but the husband does; likewise, also, the husband does not exercise authority over his own body, but his wife does. Do not be depriving each other of it, except by mutual consent for an appointed time, that you may devote time to prayer and may come together again, that Satan may not keep tempting you for your lack of self-regulation."
So, I feel this passage relates quite well to this subject. It also helps you understand the nature of a Christian sex-life. The Bible tells me not to deprive my wife of my flesh, so I won't. If this is something she wishes to do, she can. I also think those who feel a man MAKES a woman perform these acts should re-evaluate who feels pleasure during this. If it makes my partner happy, it makes me happy.
So, I feel this passage relates quite well to this subject. It also helps you understand the nature of a Christian sex-life. The Bible tells me not to deprive my wife of my flesh, so I won't. If this is something she wishes to do, she can. I also think those who feel a man MAKES a woman perform these acts should re-evaluate who feels pleasure during this. If it makes my partner happy, it makes me happy.
oneperson1993,
Welcome to christian chat. When I see questions such as yours I am not dismayed but rather supportive that your question be answered biblically and to the extent that you can say; "I understand now". Hopefully, my response will give you insight.
Additionally - I would desire that you see this response and have not been ~run off~. You must understand that some will respond to a question of this manner with a ~gut reaction~, either for or against. We are still human, even if saved, and still have personal prejudices or preferences.
BIBLICALLY, this topic can be seen in the Song of Solomon; specifically verses 2:3 and 4:16.
The Song of Solomon 2:3:
Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my beloved among the young men. In his shade I took great delight and sat down, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.
This would be a reference to fellatio.
The Song of Solomon 4:16
Awake, O north wind, and come, wind of the south; make my garden breathe out fragrance, let its spices be wafted abroad. May my beloved come into his garden and eat its choice fruits.
This would be a reference to cunnilingus.
So, oneperson1993, oral sex is ~addressed~ in the bible. Between the husband and wife ONLY is it allowed. And, as can be seen by these verses, and the rest of the book, merely one means by which the husband & wife can delight in each other.
I hope this answers your question.
Be Well,
Cavil
Welcome to christian chat. When I see questions such as yours I am not dismayed but rather supportive that your question be answered biblically and to the extent that you can say; "I understand now". Hopefully, my response will give you insight.
Additionally - I would desire that you see this response and have not been ~run off~. You must understand that some will respond to a question of this manner with a ~gut reaction~, either for or against. We are still human, even if saved, and still have personal prejudices or preferences.
BIBLICALLY, this topic can be seen in the Song of Solomon; specifically verses 2:3 and 4:16.
The Song of Solomon 2:3:
Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest, so is my beloved among the young men. In his shade I took great delight and sat down, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.
This would be a reference to fellatio.
The Song of Solomon 4:16
Awake, O north wind, and come, wind of the south; make my garden breathe out fragrance, let its spices be wafted abroad. May my beloved come into his garden and eat its choice fruits.
This would be a reference to cunnilingus.
So, oneperson1993, oral sex is ~addressed~ in the bible. Between the husband and wife ONLY is it allowed. And, as can be seen by these verses, and the rest of the book, merely one means by which the husband & wife can delight in each other.
I hope this answers your question.
Be Well,
Cavil
I just want to say as an administrator here that we don't mind the question and yes that is one good thing about internet forums, to be able to freely ask or share such things with some level of anonymity. This is a common question and there are various other sex-related questions that people have, especially new Christians, or newly married, or whatever. Even if you joined our forum just to ask that question, and we never see you again, that is perfectly fine. But in any case, welcome.
I don't see anything in the Bible restricting husband and wife in the privacy of their bedroom on sexual positions, kissing each other's bodies, or stimulating each other in whatever way -- quite the contrary. Holiness has nothing to do with putting rules on husband and wife in the bedroom. When a man and woman are married and serving God, then sexual union and enjoying each other's bodies (e.g., stimulating each other in whatever way) is not unholy. If a man and woman are not married, all sexual activity and sexual stimulation is unholy.
So here's my straight answer to your question for what it's worth:
It is not a sin for a husband and wife to sexually stimulate each other in whatever way. Stimulating each other by touch, kiss, whatever, for foreplay or stimulation -- it's all good, especially if they both enjoy it or don't mind it -- the details of that isn't really anyone else's business.
I think they should be considerate of each other (if the other is really uncomfortable doing something) but in general NO, oral sex (man to woman or woman to man) in marriage is not a sin.
And I'm not sure why some people assume oral sex only means woman to man. There's nothing evil about a wife enjoying oral stimulation from her husband and VICE-VERSA. But again it's not really anyone's business.
I think the bottom line is married couples can feel free in the privacy of their bedrooms to enjoy each other's bodies and fulfill each other without feeling any restraint. In fact, I kinda think that's a mark of a good marriage.
It's just kinda silly to try to put rules of restraint on husband and wife, on how and where they can touch and stimulate each other. I don't think you can find that in the Bible.
"Let her breasts satisfy you at all times" -- Prov 5:19
I don't see anything in the Bible restricting husband and wife in the privacy of their bedroom on sexual positions, kissing each other's bodies, or stimulating each other in whatever way -- quite the contrary. Holiness has nothing to do with putting rules on husband and wife in the bedroom. When a man and woman are married and serving God, then sexual union and enjoying each other's bodies (e.g., stimulating each other in whatever way) is not unholy. If a man and woman are not married, all sexual activity and sexual stimulation is unholy.
So here's my straight answer to your question for what it's worth:
It is not a sin for a husband and wife to sexually stimulate each other in whatever way. Stimulating each other by touch, kiss, whatever, for foreplay or stimulation -- it's all good, especially if they both enjoy it or don't mind it -- the details of that isn't really anyone else's business.
I think they should be considerate of each other (if the other is really uncomfortable doing something) but in general NO, oral sex (man to woman or woman to man) in marriage is not a sin.
And I'm not sure why some people assume oral sex only means woman to man. There's nothing evil about a wife enjoying oral stimulation from her husband and VICE-VERSA. But again it's not really anyone's business.
I think the bottom line is married couples can feel free in the privacy of their bedrooms to enjoy each other's bodies and fulfill each other without feeling any restraint. In fact, I kinda think that's a mark of a good marriage.
It's just kinda silly to try to put rules of restraint on husband and wife, on how and where they can touch and stimulate each other. I don't think you can find that in the Bible.
"Let her breasts satisfy you at all times" -- Prov 5:19
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as a side note to this discussion, i am a bit surprised so many who feel it is wrong to even discuss this subject here. there have been a few people who have either stated plainly or intimated that it should only be discussed in private, and i am a bit mystified by this.
in fact, a verse that has been both referenced both directly and indirectly is Ephesians 5:12, in support of not discussing the subject of oral sex. I believe this is being used incorrectly, and would like to offer my understanding of this passage:
5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. NKJ
i believe the context of this passage plays a critical role in interpreting this verse correctly, both the audience, and the intent of the message. for the sake of time, focusing specifically on this verse, i think it's particularly helpful to look at this passage as it would be in the rough/literal translation and order of the greek, which would be:
the things done in secret by them, it is a shame even to speak of
the "things" are the "unfruitful deeds of darkness" referenced in the previous verse, 5:11, are sinful acts, works of the flesh that are sinful and no good can come from, thus they seek the darkness of concealment, are unfruitful (as no good comes from them). the "them" is the unsaved gentiles, and sexual immorality was rampant in ephesus.
to paraphrase this verse (with my understanding) is: christian shouldn't be a party to, discuss, or participate in any those activities that can be defined as "unfruitful deeds of darkness", such as sexual immorality. in fact, you'll notice in some translations, they interpret this verse as "It is shameful even to talk about the things that the disobedient (or ungodly people) do in secret"
subsequently, i don't see how this verse has anything to do with the marital bed, or oral sex between a married couple.
i do believe the bible has instructed that it is vulgar to discuss details that are intended to be private, such as intimate sexual details. but i don't understand why anyone would find it wrong, or unbecoming as a christian to discuss this subject in an academic fashion, specifically for the purpose of edification, seeking what is right and wrong.
please correct me if i am wrong. i certainly understand why one might feel uncomfortable in discussing the topic altogether, but that doesn't mean it is inappropriate across the board.
thanks.
in fact, a verse that has been both referenced both directly and indirectly is Ephesians 5:12, in support of not discussing the subject of oral sex. I believe this is being used incorrectly, and would like to offer my understanding of this passage:
5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. NKJ
i believe the context of this passage plays a critical role in interpreting this verse correctly, both the audience, and the intent of the message. for the sake of time, focusing specifically on this verse, i think it's particularly helpful to look at this passage as it would be in the rough/literal translation and order of the greek, which would be:
the things done in secret by them, it is a shame even to speak of
the "things" are the "unfruitful deeds of darkness" referenced in the previous verse, 5:11, are sinful acts, works of the flesh that are sinful and no good can come from, thus they seek the darkness of concealment, are unfruitful (as no good comes from them). the "them" is the unsaved gentiles, and sexual immorality was rampant in ephesus.
to paraphrase this verse (with my understanding) is: christian shouldn't be a party to, discuss, or participate in any those activities that can be defined as "unfruitful deeds of darkness", such as sexual immorality. in fact, you'll notice in some translations, they interpret this verse as "It is shameful even to talk about the things that the disobedient (or ungodly people) do in secret"
subsequently, i don't see how this verse has anything to do with the marital bed, or oral sex between a married couple.
i do believe the bible has instructed that it is vulgar to discuss details that are intended to be private, such as intimate sexual details. but i don't understand why anyone would find it wrong, or unbecoming as a christian to discuss this subject in an academic fashion, specifically for the purpose of edification, seeking what is right and wrong.
please correct me if i am wrong. i certainly understand why one might feel uncomfortable in discussing the topic altogether, but that doesn't mean it is inappropriate across the board.
thanks.