Perspective On The Law/Grace

This is silly! To say this about anyone who wants to love God in any fashion is contradictory to scripture. We love God with ALL our hearts, and if one wants to love God with all their heart by keeping the Sabbath, then that is their right, and decision, and nobody should tell them they are 'silly' because they want to.

What part of this do we not understand about this?

People need to realize that they make their OWN LAWS up in their minds that say...

"THOU SHALT NOT KEEP A SABBATH DAY"

Sorry, but if I wanted to do so, I would go with my heart, not with these man made laws of there being no law.

Don't want to work, make food, turn a light switch on, put wood in the stove, because I wish to spend this day devoted to God; reading, studying, praying, worshiping, etc...

Shame on you for serving God. You are in violation if you serve God on a sabbath. You are no longer under grace because you are serving your God.

See how 'silly' that sounds?

Let's put this a different way so you can maybe understand.

Let's say your Father has told you to NOT sacrifice sheep and no longer place blood upon the altar because He has personally sacrificed Once and For All.

But you say "Out of love for my Father I will continue to sacrifice sheep and place blood upon the altar out of love for my Father".

Furthermore, you tell your brothers and sisters that they should NEVER speak up about your folly because of your "liberty" and grace you have received.

But your brothers and sisters DO speak up and tell you that your premise is RIDICULOUS. No one is delivered from the Yoke of Bondage and then decides out of "love" they will go back to their yoke of bondage because they think that is pleasing to God.

Either you have a misunderstanding of Christianity or you have not been delivered from your yoke of bondage and still desire to be under the law.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Keeping a sabbath is a work of the law. You must continue in ALL things which are written in the book of the law or you are cursed.

Romans 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


So you have to pick. Condemnation in your work at the law or Deliverance from that Condemnation.

You don't get to say that out of love you are going back to your condemnation. That shows no understanding.

And your whole premise is about SIN! That's why the Lamb was slain. I don't see Sabbath keepers slaughtering lambs to cover their sins... do you?

You make it sound like someone that chooses to "WORSHIP" the living God is a heretic. Are you seeing what you have given?

No work so that I can focus on scripture
No cooking, so I can focus on scripture (cook day before)
No phone, no internet, no television, no carnal books (just scripture)
No cleaning house
No outside lawn care

Add to the list however you wish, but that is wrong? U're basically saying anyone that chooses to do those things, so they can get away from the worlds garbage and influence, so they can devote and spend time with their God in heaven, is wrong? So they can prayer and study God's Word... it's wrong?

There is no need to slaughter a lamb anymore. Christ was the ultimate sacrifice for sin.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: (YES! If you think your salvation comes from obeying the law, u're under the law)

Romans 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Serving our God on a Sabbath day is not what I"d call walking 'after the flesh', so therefore there is no condemnation except from those that hate the law and the Sabbath.


Presenting yourselves holy and acceptable unto God, as a living sacrifice... Someone wants to sacrifice television, books, computers, internet, phone calls, going shopping, and the like... what do you call that? I would call it a 'living sacrifice' unto God because they want to set that day apart for Him, Christ, with study, prayer, worship, and sacrifice from the worldly things that we all get wrapped up in. Nope, I see nothing wrong here!

And your whole premise is about SIN! That's why the Lamb was slain. I don't see Sabbath keepers slaughtering lambs to cover their sins... do you?

You make it sound like someone that chooses to "WORSHIP" the living God is a heretic. Are you seeing what you have given?

No work so that I can focus on scripture
No cooking, so I can focus on scripture (cook day before)
No phone, no internet, no television, no carnal books (just scripture)
No cleaning house
No outside lawn care

Add to the list however you wish, but that is wrong? U're basically saying anyone that chooses to do those things, so they can get away from the worlds garbage and influence, so they can devote and spend time with their God in heaven, is wrong? So they can prayer and study God's Word... it's wrong?

There is no need to slaughter a lamb anymore. Christ was the ultimate sacrifice for sin.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: (YES! If you think your salvation comes from obeying the law, u're under the law)

Romans 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Serving our God on a Sabbath day is not what I"d call walking 'after the flesh', so therefore there is no condemnation except from those that hate the law and the Sabbath.


Presenting yourselves holy and acceptable unto God, as a living sacrifice... Someone wants to sacrifice television, books, computers, internet, phone calls, going shopping, and the like... what do you call that? I would call it a 'living sacrifice' unto God because they want to set that day apart for Him, Christ, with study, prayer, worship, and sacrifice from the worldly things that we all get wrapped up in. Nope, I see nothing wrong here!

So you think you can just throw out scripture and pick and choose which OT laws you like and which ones you don't?

If you choose to "keep" a sabbath that's fine. But what about the admonition to keep all the rest of the law as well? Just ignore that?

Just do your favorites and forget the rest...

As a Christian, when you choose to "keep" a sabbath this is what comes with it;

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.


There is no need to sacrifice a lamb anymore, Christ is the ultimate sacrifice for sin. Yes. You are correct. But He is much more than that.

Galatians 2:19-21
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Do you read Galatians at all??

Do you just do whatever you think is right in your own eyes and not worry about what scripture says or what the entire point of the law is to begin with??

Its ok. Most everyone else who is a legalist or judaizer agrees with you 100% They just cherry pick the law and scriptures too.

I hope you know when I type things, it's in general, and not specifically speaking of you. I wanted to make that clear. I have no issues with you personally; as I don't know you. It's about an anti teaching about things in general.

And yet again though, is it wrong to take a day aside solely for worship, prayer, praise, study, unto God or not?

And I see nobody frustrating the grace of God by honoring a Sabbath day. The grace of God is what loved us and saved us. Why would I go back under a law for my salvation again, when Christ is the ultimate sacrifice? One would be putting themselves under the curse of the law if they were obeying the laws for their salvation. This is ultimately what the Word says. Not that we don't obey the law EVER!

If this is true, then don't do anything for God. I mean, one doesn't want to frustrate grace... right?

When the Word talks about bondage and being under the law, it speaks of our freedom in Christ. Paul recognized this when he told others not to judge someone who keeps the Sabbath day. It's our freedom to do so. If keeping the Sabbath was unholy and wrong, and frustrated grace, then the Bible would have made it very clear, and so would have Paul.

Here's also a news flash! I believe in a literal 1000 year reign... And do we know what's going to be going on during this time? The Torah will be taught throughout the entire world. So, the law is not important anymore, eh? But this isn't a topic on the Millennial Reign, but about current events here and now. To claim that one is in violation of God's grace by following a Sabbath, is legalism and bondage to me.

And again, I don't keep a Sabbath day, but I do respect the wishes of another to do so out of LOVE and not out of fear or belief that it saves them.

And your whole premise is about SIN! That's why the Lamb was slain. I don't see Sabbath keepers slaughtering lambs to cover their sins... do you?

You make it sound like someone that chooses to "WORSHIP" the living God is a heretic. Are you seeing what you have given?

No work so that I can focus on scripture
No cooking, so I can focus on scripture (cook day before)
No phone, no internet, no television, no carnal books (just scripture)
No cleaning house
No outside lawn care

Add to the list however you wish, but that is wrong? U're basically saying anyone that chooses to do those things, so they can get away from the worlds garbage and influence, so they can devote and spend time with their God in heaven, is wrong? So they can prayer and study God's Word... it's wrong?

There is no need to slaughter a lamb anymore. Christ was the ultimate sacrifice for sin.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: (YES! If you think your salvation comes from obeying the law, u're under the law)

Romans 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Serving our God on a Sabbath day is not what I"d call walking 'after the flesh', so therefore there is no condemnation except from those that hate the law and the Sabbath.


Presenting yourselves holy and acceptable unto God, as a living sacrifice... Someone wants to sacrifice television, books, computers, internet, phone calls, going shopping, and the like... what do you call that? I would call it a 'living sacrifice' unto God because they want to set that day apart for Him, Christ, with study, prayer, worship, and sacrifice from the worldly things that we all get wrapped up in. Nope, I see nothing wrong here!

Your not listening to grandpa at all. And you do not understand the argument. And because of this, you are slandering him by declairing he is doing something he is not doing.

I hope you give the same emotional response to those who would try to push their laws and sabbath keeping on others, Who try to push if we do not obey these things, then we either can not be saved, or will lose our salvation. That we maintain our salvation by following these and other laws of moses, and attack those who disagree with the REASON they are obeying them or trying to push them, and not those who gladly obey them out of true love, not expecting anything in return.
I say this, because if you read, and even stusy those who normallu push these laws. That is exactly what they are pushing and if yu try to question them, They will say you hate them because they want to Obey God because they love him (what i have come to know as a automatic response, or as some call, a strawman argument)

These are the people grandpa and myself and many others are standing against, Not norma every day people who happen to love to take saterday off as a day of rest, in honor of God

My original post was not about those that push it or belittling others for not doing so. It was in reference to those that do it b/c that is one way they honor God the Father. But to answer your statement, of course I would speak against someone forcing it upon someone else. It goes both ways.

I am speaking in general. And it seems he's not listening to me either. So it does go both ways.

Ok. There are many people who do this. Some who have been liking your posts.

When are you going to confront them?

Maybe grandpa is not seeing what your saying becaue he does not see you speak against those who doing what we are talking about. So he is doubting what your main goal is? (Remembering your not the first one to bring this up, and mosty of the time, we have seen there are alterior motives)

He is not speaking in general. He is speakng against those who attack others who do not obey the sabaath or think it is required. Or think one is not saved if they do not obey certain jewish laws

I have yet so see anyone in this thread tell anyone that it's a MUST to follow the law. This is why I have not spoken about it. Have I missed a post concerning this? Now I feel the need to go back and read everything, but I do not recollect anyone telling me, or anyone else, in this conversation, that one must follow the Sabbath or they are not in God's will... etc..

And again, I have not seen anyone in this conversation say this. If they did, I would equally deny that claim. It's not about doing for salvation, as Christ covered that aspect once and for all.

You may need to go back to other threads.. There are a group of people who have condemned others for tthe very thing. I have not looked at their posts in this thread. So maybe they have not.

Then you would believe as we believe, And if you argued like we argued against those who do so it You would be attacked like we are by them telling you you hate those who love to obey Gods law..

My bible says I should not judge anyone who follows the saterday sabaath, nor shudl they judge those who hold every day to the lord.

Its sad we even have to have these conversations.

Ah... no worries lol... I don't have the desire nor the time to sift through other threads on this. If it is brought up during my own thread, then I will be glad to point our error on 'both' sides; if I believe one is in error.

People equally have the right to follow or not follow the Sabbath. To say one cannot and to say one must are equally wrong. It's about freedom from all this judgment. We are no longer in bondage.