Does entering into Jesus' rest mean we're to give up the Sabbath day? Is the 4th commandment part of the moral law of God?

To put it plainly, you believe that God's grace is the result of our faith, and that grace and faith wipes out any obligation for works. You believe our faith must be selective, so we only have faith in instructions to our thinking, never to our doing.

What is more you believe that knowing this gives you the right to judge other people, and look to see if they are working, positive those works are against God. If this idea was taken to extremes it would pit you against prayer, kindness, love or any works for the Lord.

Does this recap your beliefs?

I do not think this is what scripture teaches.

Since Scripture says we were created for good works, I don’t think works is really the issue, it’s the definition of those works.

Is it evil to be an SDA as opposed to belonging to other flawed church denominations?

Hebrews 7:18-19
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

So what do you do? First, you have to KNOW, by working at it, that the law CANNOT make you perfect.

After you find out, then you are among the burdened and heavily laden, knowing you cannot lift the heavy load but you need help.

So you must ask the ONE who has the power to help. The Lord Jesus Christ.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Galatians 3:23-25
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

I don't think its evil.

Just sad.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Here's an idea..........YOU tell US what YOU think FIRST.....

I have found that SDA has a solid understanding and application of scripture. As a whole the SDA certainly does not believe in justification by the law but rather by the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for the remission of contritely confessed sin and inviting the Holy Spirit to live in your heart to comfort and guide you in the life-long repentance process.

Just to be clear, we are justified (saved) by our contrition our confession our inviting and life long repentance?

I am always confused when someone says we are saved by grace, but.....

kThe Scripture itself continues to clarify this vision in that by commanding Peter to eat of unclean foods, Godmade all foods clean. Later Paul says the same, close to the same however he does add all foods are clean when mad holy by thanksgiving, ergo we say grace, to grace our food with the blessing of holiness.

I wonder what is your definition of repent?

So are you one of those deceptive closet SDA?

It is simply that we cannot be perfect and holy as being saved to live eternally demands, so God chooses those He accepts by their faith. How a person works has nothing to do with it. The only connection is that if a person has faith in what God's word says they will follow that word. It is still the faith that God sees.

Most people will miss that...works of self subtly mixed into the Gospel making it "another"...

Yes very much so.

The other flawed denominations dont believe you will take the mark of the beast in the future by going to church on sunday.

YOu have been told this fact numerous times and you keep DEFENDING heresy, why?

He is defending it a lot indeed. But he is also defending other heresies like roman catholicism, so its just the modern day ecumenical doctrines dont matter lets just love and Jesus and stuff like that.

Tourist, I like how you think!

I don't think people should be defined by the man made doctrines of the church they attend. Each person should be free to study the word for truth.

My church, the best one I found I can get to, is very flawed. They believe that it is not the truth when scripture tells us something is for "all generations" for example. They take no care at all to keep away from traditions that stem from the occult such as Christmas trees. Like my minister told me, we agree on Christ and many things so we are related in Christ, but we disagree about many things.

Speaking of (unmentioned) flaws of other denoms only serves as blind justification of ones own heresies. I'm amazed at the amount of people on here who give heresy a bye because they think the person peddling it is so nice and sweet.

It's actually sickening and it isn't a Christian virtue, its coddling and pandering damnable heresies.

But, as long as the person is nice and says sweet things...right?...2 Corinthians 11:14-15.

Amen Brother couldn't of said it better.

The false teachers are always nice, otherwise, nobody would listen to them. If the JWs weren't nice nobody would give them a time of day. They are also giving out compliments to lure you in, very deceptive and manipulative people.

Beware of fake nice people! If you've ever been locked up you know the kinds of guys I mean, the ones who make friends with you on day one, come to your cell and give you something or help you around in some way, only later you find out its payback time. They didn't mention that the first time around!

Same thing with the SDAs and JWs, they wont let you in "on the scoop" at first, they lure you in with great swelling words of emptiness and compliments and smiles and positive messages, then when they get you to join, the cultic like control and mind games begin, and they pile on the false doctrines and brainwash you with them.

The correlation between faith and work is not easy to explain.

The bible teach salvation by faith not by work, but the bible also teach there is correlation between faith and work, For Example

John 15
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

To me This verse say, salvation must produce fruit.
We can not produce fruit of ourselve, as It say without me you can do Nothing. But Jesus in us do It for us.

Work is not the requirement for salvation, If so No body save, because No body can do love work without Jesus. But If branch not bear fruit, or not abide in Him, verse 6 say God Will burn It in hell. Not save.


6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.



1 John 4:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

There is correlation between love God and love fellow man.
This verse say, it is impossible to love God and hate fellow man.



Seem to me love God make you love man.


After I read some post, I conclude there are 2 extreme.
1 people that believe salvation by grace and believe murder is ok because salvation not by work.

2. People that believe we must perfect because God perfect

Matthew 5:48 King James Version (KJV)
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Yes I believe this is the Will of God to be perfect.

But I believe I am not perfect. I learn to be because Jesus command It.

But I believe even I always fail to be perfect, as long as I repent every time I fail, God Will forgive me and not Cut me off like a branch that not bear fruit et all.

I believe what Jesus say to Cut the branch that not bear fruit. But I believe God save branch that bear unperfect fruit, He Will purge It to bear more fruit

I am defending my position that the churches in all denominations each are flawed in doctrine and practices so why just single out the SDA and calling them evil? So what do the other churches say in regards in the circumstances that may lead up to taking the mark of the beast? Perhaps the other churches don't have a clue or believe that it is unimportant or don't understand scripture.

I don't have an opinion either way on the SDA position on a certain end-time event, only saying that those that are SDA are as much a Christian as those in any other denomination as long as they have contritely confessed their sins to God, trusting in the death of Jesus dying on the cross paying the penalty for these sins and allowing the Holy Spirit to live in their hearts to comfort and guide them in the life-long repentance process. Anyone that has not done these things is not a Christian and everyone that has is a Christian regardless of their particular faith.

Heresy is simply holding a contrary perception, an in that regards, is not necessarily a bad thing.