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Maybe you told me in your head, not in what your wrote.
I can probably deduce what you mean. No man can walk without sinning constantly.
This is the belief of some, though it is not in scripture or founded in fact.
Sin is about actions, not about states. A murderer is a murderer because they have murdered
someone. It is not like they are continually murdering, the one event makes them what they
are. If one is forgiven, cleansed and purified one is a saint and no longer a sinner.
One only becomes a sinner when the law is broken again. This is Pauls argument.
9 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
1 Tim 1
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
Gal 5
16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
Rom 6
Put simply the obedient walk with God and are Gods Holy righteous people.
I can probably deduce what you mean. No man can walk without sinning constantly.
This is the belief of some, though it is not in scripture or founded in fact.
Sin is about actions, not about states. A murderer is a murderer because they have murdered
someone. It is not like they are continually murdering, the one event makes them what they
are. If one is forgiven, cleansed and purified one is a saint and no longer a sinner.
One only becomes a sinner when the law is broken again. This is Pauls argument.
9 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,
10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine
1 Tim 1
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
Gal 5
16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
Rom 6
Put simply the obedient walk with God and are Gods Holy righteous people.
U
Oh really..
Not what Jesus stated
8But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Not what Jesus stated
8But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
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Oh really..
Not what Jesus stated
8But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Not what Jesus stated
8But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Do you not understand what I mean?
It is not a sin to not say thank you for something, or if you forget something to not say
sorry, or of things go badly to not be as supportive as one might, or to be more abrupt
than one otherwise might be.
Some suggest if I know I could give to a charity and not to another, I have sinned in not
doing good. Or if I feel I should give up something for lent and do not do it I have sinned.
Going to church in jeans, or smoking, or drinking become sins, or watching certain programs
or films etc. all become sins.
But these are cultural expressions, which are not the problem with our hearts and how we
love, care and show compassion.
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Hi UG,
Now where are you coming from. Are you saying that OCD ideas about doing things wrong
actually are sin? Where do you get this from? The OCD version of walking with God.
OCD people in some cases cannot make a meal in case their hands carry germs, and they
have to wear gloves, and then they worry about the gloves until they do nothing.
This is the truth. And until you can separate out OCD view of sin from the real view of sin,
you will always be a condemned sinner doomed to hell.
You do realise sin does kill. So if I do something that does no harm and does not lead to
destruction then it by definition cannot be sinful. What some probably fear is if they lose all
their OCD sins they will then have real sin which needs to be resolved. And that is much more difficult
and something often people definately want to avoid.
So I get the impression making things up is actually what people do to avoid the hard reality of
facing a Holy God who asks us to change.
Now where are you coming from. Are you saying that OCD ideas about doing things wrong
actually are sin? Where do you get this from? The OCD version of walking with God.
OCD people in some cases cannot make a meal in case their hands carry germs, and they
have to wear gloves, and then they worry about the gloves until they do nothing.
This is the truth. And until you can separate out OCD view of sin from the real view of sin,
you will always be a condemned sinner doomed to hell.
You do realise sin does kill. So if I do something that does no harm and does not lead to
destruction then it by definition cannot be sinful. What some probably fear is if they lose all
their OCD sins they will then have real sin which needs to be resolved. And that is much more difficult
and something often people definately want to avoid.
So I get the impression making things up is actually what people do to avoid the hard reality of
facing a Holy God who asks us to change.
Wow, we have some real ultra legalists.
It seems that wearing jeans, smoking and drinking is actual sin, and it demonstrates how we
need Jesus to be our righteousness while we sin away.
But then if you grew up in a church that said these cultural sins meant you were a sinner, then
it makes sense that is what they are reacting against, and for me to say it is wrong just spoils
their game of saying I am a legalist.
I truly love people where they are, with the aim in Christ to bring them through to a new
life with Him, and a new walk and way to eternity.
Now if people are so locked in their hearts to these perspectives and language, no wonder nothing
ever gets through, because the projections are so strong, I am not given a chance to share love and
the truth of Christ in God and His ways of righteousness.
It seems that wearing jeans, smoking and drinking is actual sin, and it demonstrates how we
need Jesus to be our righteousness while we sin away.
But then if you grew up in a church that said these cultural sins meant you were a sinner, then
it makes sense that is what they are reacting against, and for me to say it is wrong just spoils
their game of saying I am a legalist.
I truly love people where they are, with the aim in Christ to bring them through to a new
life with Him, and a new walk and way to eternity.
Now if people are so locked in their hearts to these perspectives and language, no wonder nothing
ever gets through, because the projections are so strong, I am not given a chance to share love and
the truth of Christ in God and His ways of righteousness.
I was hoping people would not bite This thread the last two days has been a laughing stock. It is a sad representation of what the purpose of this thread was used for. I pray if people want to bciker like kids they go open another thread and take this fight elsewhere. Because this is pathetic. Ya have one guy who has said twice now he was leaving, another guy who has been banned twice already, and they are doing what they do. And what they want to do is disrupt this thread and the word of God. And discredit good godly people.
Sorry for my rant, but it is just sad
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U
I just find that people that adopt this stance that salvation must be proven or the person is not saved confuse me, just like the the "salvation can be lost" group are confusing.............first they argue one way and then when they hit a wall they back peddle and try another direction, hit another wall.....I do not know why I end up with the headache, it should be them with all the walls they keep hitting.
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