If Women Can't Have Authority Over Men in the Church, Why Are They Expected to Teach in School?

So your saying 'Exegetes' dont believe the Bible is the word of God and twist Scripture? So anyone who digs into the Greek and Hebrew language to search for understanding is twisting the word of God? Wow! So the Apostle Paul, who spoke koine Greek and understood OT Hebrew twisted the word of God when he read or studied or preached from the original languages? How can you even trust the Bible in your hand if exegetes twist the word of God? It took exegesis to translate the Scripture from the original language just so you could read it. The entire purpose off exegesis is to dig out the meaning of Scripture. Exegesis does not mean you cannot understand Scripture without knowledge of Greek and Hebrew. It does not mean the Holy Spirit is not your teacher. He is also the teacher of the exegete who has spent many hours studying so he or she can study the Bible on a deeper level. You criticise them for wanting to obey Scripture when it says for us to study to show ourselves approved unto God, a workman that does not need to be ashamed. I hope you try to rethink your argument here.

Well how do you read Pauls admonishishing (sp) then can you please explain it then. Clearly. If you did it before and I missed it sorry. But can you explain again what he meant by the 'for adam was first formed' bit.
Because it just makes zero sense. Was he talkig about a particular woman who was interrupting him or all women. Its not clear. Or was he just being chauvinistic, God forbid.

It's is not only a matter of who was created first but the way Eve was created. She was created in the image of Adam. She has power to influence him since she is part of him. Manipulation and sexual influence makes sense because in the case of male students who become grown men, it becomes inappropriate for women to teach them since they can influence them sexually already. In church, they have to shut up because the angels are watching. These angels will be able to use their words to manipulate/distract men so they better shut up.


Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV)

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV)

For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

Yes it does the fathers had failed to obey the word so all the men went to Huldah for the Lords opinion.
Yes abigail was raised up after Nabal died David married her.
Rahab was the only one he hid the spies, the only one who believed, all the others in Jericho perished. All her house was saved, nobody elses.
In example of Ruth, note that it was Boaz that got cold feet. You would think he would have just simply asked Ruth to marry him, but no he needed that extra push it seems.

Im not saying men are always foolish but that where men fail it will be the woman that saves the day. Just acknowledge that fact.

For men that are abosolutely upright and godly they acknowledge that without the support of their wives they just couldnt even accomplish half the things they do. Proverbs 31 tells us who can find a virtuous woman? For her price is far above rubies.

To be a bishop or deacon its said they must be the husband of one wife. Why because a wife would support them in all that they do. Its a big job.

Revelation 22:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

2 Corinthians 2 King James Version (KJV)

17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.


Psalm 12 King James Version (KJV)

6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Ok well lets ask the men how they feel about women teaching them past the age of 13.

Ideally men should be teaching Bible truth to all ages within the church. Therefore women teaching older boys or young adults in church would be a violation of Scripture.

Ok well lets ask the men how they feel about women teaching them past the age of 13. Isnt that when a boy becomes a man. Jewish boys have their bar mitsvahs then.

Maybe that worked in jewish context of bible times where no woman was even going to school they were too bisy having children but in a place like ephesus that was hard to put into practice.

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Women teaching men and speaking in church meeting is an act of rebellion. If it is ok, why would Paul tell them to be quiet? We are given roles so we can survive in this messed up world. It's not like we live in heaven where everything is perfect that we can act like we are equal. Paul has authority because he is a worthy man and naturally a christian woman will obey. This situation clearly applies only to godly people of God. Why would a christian woman obey a man who is not a christian when her ultimate head is God?

1 Corinthians 11:5 But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying

It's rather silly to think that the woman is prophesying silently.

You forgot the word uncovered. It means she can do so if given authority.

Ok well lets ask the men how they feel about women teaching them past the age of 13. Isnt that when a boy becomes a man. Jewish boys have their bar mitsvahs then.

You forgot the word uncovered. It means she can do so if given authority.

Don't let it bring you down when they cut you up. I appreciate your input very much. I give you full rights and authority to completely ignore abusive comments and discuss these things in a mature manner.

Do you think this covering implies a literal symbolic head covering as well? If you would rather PM me and avoid further abuse, I completely understand.

Your inconsistency is your undoing.

Little things like this would hurt, even if they were true (that one was not true.) I confess to hurting you at times. It is a reflex reaction that I need to gain control of. I apologize. Please forgive me. I love you, brother.

Frankly, your examples stretch relevance to the breaking point. The only example that I can see in Scripture of a woman who was raised to prominence subsequent to the abdication of a man was Jael, and she is not mentioned again. Boaz did not have the right to ask Ruth to marry him; there was another relative who was closer.

I will not acknowledge as fact something with which I don't think is truth. I don't see sufficient scriptural support for your point. Men can be godly without being married. Daniel and Paul are good examples. Being an elder is a big job, but consider that Paul also wrote the following in 1 Corinthians 7:

32 But I want you to be free from concern. One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; 33 but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, 34 and his interests are divided.

So, the married man's interests are divided, but the unmarried man's godliness is questionable and he can't relate to married folks.
So nobody is fit for service as an elder.

Really?

Where are you getting all this from? I nver said anything about being married or unmarried.

Dino, the reason why people find it hard to discuss anything with you is when you read a post you come to conclusions that the poster hasnt even said in their post. You dont just do it with me, you seem to do this with everyone.

Sorry.

I have something to say about OPs topic so I will just make another post rather than go down a rabbit trail if keep responding to your posts.