Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

Well that is a really old and by now, overused Calvin Indoctrinated belief that does not line up with scripture

Who saves? why state we have to determine who caused us to be saved. we would only need to do that if we lacked faith in what scripture states

We have the correct outlook on the written word and the testimony of the Holy Spirit in our lives with Whom we cry 'Abba Father'

you may claim Calvin as your daddy (even though he did not even invent your little tulip recital), but it is a fact most Christians understand that Calvin's rhetoric did not fall far from Momma Catholic church

What happened you run out of memes?

Is that the best you can do... once again this is the "fruit" of Calvinism......denigrate, ridicule, mock etc.,
I understand words very well and sadly I understand your false dogma too well.

I know that "world" does not mean "elect"... perhaps you could start learning definitions.

Amen!!!

Thank you.

Augustine and Calvin projected their own personalities, biases, beliefs, issues onto scripture rather than let scripture speak for itself.

that is a very silly non sequitur and yet another very tired Calvin so called 'truism' it's really just an ism

God can be sovereigns and still desire all men to be saved

Exactly. Both working as one (Christ in us) to make our load of sufferings lighter .(the sabbath rest) . Unbelievers receive not rest from their own works .Like Cain the restless wanderers no promise of a new body no suffering. A marked man(666)

Shadow worshipers

Shadow worshippers. Rules That People Make .

Colossians 2:17-18 So don’t let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days). In the past these things were like a shadow that showed what was coming. But the new things that were coming are found in Christ. Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas.

Fleshy mind.. . The seat of the imagination of ones own heart.

Even the Son of man as a prophet apostle when tempted by a lying spirit who painted a vision in Jesus fleshly mind did the will of the Father. .

Jesus as the Son of man was powerless he did not rebuke him as the Son of man but spoke the words the father put on his lips .Three times he gave the prophet Jesus the words "as it is written " The power caused the lying spirit to leave .Strike three stuck him out.

Faith does not come as we experience the things of the flesh

Matherw 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

His workmanship saved me amen brother

?? Did not Paul say the opposite the n romans 1 bro?

Of course it is....how could it not be.

You are his workmanship...in the here and now.

I did not make a great decision. I just did as the tax collector did and became bancrupcy and cried out for mercy

Try?

What’s different in this than from people who claimed god chose them and not the other person. Could this not be deemed as worshiping self and how special you are?

Amen your not producing fruit apart from regeneration
but how can you be regenerated in sin? That is the hardest aspect and the one point I can not cross

fruit grows on trees or even bushes, but you would have fruit suspended in nothingness

the word 'fruit' is a metaphor for the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives, to produce the character of Christ in us

the Holy Spirit does not work in a non believers life in that manner. you will not find such a thing as you state anywhere in the Bible

Jesus draws people as He states if He is lifted up He will DRAW (all men unto him..women too) . if you think that the faith a person has is caused by the Holy Spirit BEFORE they are saved, then WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE FRUIT?

HUH? WHERE'S IT AT?

here is Galatians 5 containing the description of the fruit of the Spirit

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Note that faith is actually translated faithfulness here, which is in keeping with the rest of the descriptions, rather than faith. The faithfulness is to God, to Christ....it is not the faith that saves, it is the faith that keeps a person IN Christ

But I digress, if a tulip person thinks they are regenerated BEFORE salvation, then where is the rest of the fruit?

I would tend to think they do not need salvation if they are already on board and loving, joyous, patient etc, little calvins running around such as the fine examples in this thread

the Spirit would know best what it means. the Spirit and the writers of the Scriptures.


it is good to keep a somewhat open mind on things so to Allow the Spirit to speak.


for the Spirit knows more than we do. but We can learn more and more if we keep our minds open.

it is obvious by now that God does sovereignly want all to be saved. It is Him alone that has that desire when compared to Calvinists because they would not be special if God really does want all to be saved

They would simply be like all the others God saves through the blood of Christ

Can't have that. Can't snap the suspenders on that one.

or you could renew your mind by the word and the Holy Spirit could really prove what the good and perfect will of God is

what is the good and perfect will of God?

Yes the golden measure of faith. Not not overtly. Just enough to make our burden lighter as those working with Emanuel .
Without him we can do nothing.

In that way He who works in us to both will and do His good pleasure must increase as we decrease .

Some gathered little bread of life (God's word) some gather to much.

Exodus 16:17-18 King James Version (KJV) And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less. And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.