Finding a good Christian girl from France to marry

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Lynx

Folksy yet erudite
Aug 13, 2014
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Two words: control freak!

If she is so strong that she is still pure when you marry her, what makes you think she will be weak enough to need all these rules?

If she is strong enough to still be pure when you marry her, what makes you think she will be so weak that she will submit to all your rules without question?

If she is strong enough to still be pure when you marry her, what makes you think she would even be tempted to do all those things you are trying to protect her from with all your rules?

If she is strong enough to...

Oh forget it! You're not listening to anything we say anyway.

Good luck finding your strong, weak princess.
 
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I want to clarify something.

The reason I encourage young women to go out into the world, get an education, develop a skill, and learn how to support themselves is most certainly not because I am trying to endorse rebellion against men or something ridiculous like that.

I know we all have our own backgrounds and ways of thinking, but for me, it's just common sense.

French,

While I think it's perfectly noble to want to protect your wife from the intense array of scenarios you've detailed here, there is a myriad of other much more plausible things that could happen, such as you losing your job, being unable to work or support the whole family on one income (because you said you want a big family,) or dying unexpectedly (such as in a car crash,) leaving her and your children behind to fend for themselves.

Because life is so uncertain, I truly think that one of the best things we can do as singles (whether man or woman) is to try our best to be able to support ourselves, to give us at least a foundation to stand on against whatever life may throw at us.

It's awesome to know there are great guys out there who want to provide for wives and families, but there is no guarantee that they will always be there or that they will able to do everything on their own. If a family can afford to live on one income, that's wonderful, but it seems less likely these days, so I've always seen part of a woman's role in being a "helper" as contributing to the family income, if necessary.

If you have so many concerns about her not going to college because you're afraid of her being drugged by men, wouldn't you want her to be prepared to be able to live independently and take care of your family, rather than leaving her and your children vulnerable to whomever tried to take advantage of their tragic situation?
Exactly, that's where your error lies, in thinking that women can be independent. Women and men are quite different, more than you think, actually. Women always need a provider because it's in their biology. Women were created to be submissive & dependent to their men, otherwise just read the Genesis and you will find out that the woman was created by God in order to bring a helper to the man. The female biology is such and nobody will change that.

This is why women shouldn't be taught to be "independent". Insisting them on being such will only make them more unstable, selfish & confused about what they want. When you teach them to be "independent" you are literally asking them to not be women. You are asking them to be men without a penis. And since they can't be such, they will start to waver and feel unsure about what they have got to do because of the contradicting messages they receive. Just look at today's modern "independent" women, why are they cheating much more than their older dependent grandmothers? Don't they longer need a man to give attention to them? Why do those divorced, modern empowered "independent" women, quickly cling to another man after the divorce?

Teaching women to be "independent" has only killed them. Now adultery, abortions, divorces, illegitimite births, suicides, depressions, promiscuity, alcoholism & substance abuse disorders are higher than ever. Something went wrong with this new "freedom" and those new modern empowered liberated "independent" women of the 21st century for sure. Ohh the women in the past were so oppressed & enslaved ohh those poor wives wanted some fun and freedom ohh they were so bored with their abusive husbands ohhhh they wanted to try a new job and so on... this is indeed so true and evident in that the women of today's age of fun, freedom & equality have a far worse mental health than the women of the patriarchal, oppressive & heteronormative past! Oooohh I'm a macho despotic fascist rapist who wants women to be dolls!!!

And no, I'm not a mysogynist. The only mysogynists here are the folks who want women to be men without penises. I hate women so much that instead of going partying and have fun drugging & exploiting them like many youngsters my age do, I want to enter a serious relationship and marry one before even trying sex with her. I hate women so much that I'm willing to give up my wellbeing, leisure, privacy and lust for the happiness, satisfaction & pleasure of one. I hate women so much that I want them to stay calm at home doing the chores they did with their childhood dolls instead of joining men's exhausting stress of the labour market.

The most female-friendly thing society can (and should) do is teaching women about their biology, how they were created, their submissive & dependent nature, how they need a man to provide for them and what's the mission God has given for them in this world, and such things. They should be taught to be selective and learn to choose the right man. They should be taught to obey & submit to him as to the Lord. They should be taught to be examples of faith, humbleness and chastity for men to follow. This way women & men will be happier, more cheerful, more fulfilled, more devoted and more full-hearted!
 

tourist

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Yes it annoys me a lot that there are barely any people from outside America over here. But I will continue to wait if I have got better luck...

And no I'm not going to search here, I only want girls in real life. Internet is a waste of time for dating.
Actually, I met my wife on this site shortly after I joined. I believe that the internet is a valuable resource for those inclined to pursue a potential enduring relationship.
 
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Actually, I met my wife on this site shortly after I joined. I believe that the internet is a valuable resource for those inclined to pursue a potential enduring relationship.
Not actually. There are plenty of scammers online.
 

cinder

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Exactly, that's where your error lies, in thinking that women can be independent. Women and men are quite different, more than you think, actually. Women always need a provider because it's in their biology. Women were created to be submissive & dependent to their men, otherwise just read the Genesis and you will find out that the woman was created by God in order to bring a helper to the man. The female biology is such and nobody will change that.

This is why women shouldn't be taught to be "independent". Insisting them on being such will only make them more unstable, selfish & confused about what they want. When you teach them to be "independent" you are literally asking them to not be women. You are asking them to be men without a penis. And since they can't be such, they will start to waver and feel unsure about what they have got to do because of the contradicting messages they receive. Just look at today's modern "independent" women, why are they cheating much more than their older dependent grandmothers? Don't they longer need a man to give attention to them? Why do those divorced, modern empowered "independent" women, quickly cling to another man after the divorce?

Teaching women to be "independent" has only killed them. Now adultery, abortions, divorces, illegitimite births, suicides, depressions, promiscuity, alcoholism & substance abuse disorders are higher than ever. Something went wrong with this new "freedom" and those new modern empowered liberated "independent" women of the 21st century for sure. Ohh the women in the past were so oppressed & enslaved ohh those poor wives wanted some fun and freedom ohh they were so bored with their abusive husbands ohhhh they wanted to try a new job and so on... this is indeed so true and evident in that the women of today's age of fun, freedom & equality have a far worse mental health than the women of the patriarchal, oppressive & heteronormative past! Oooohh I'm a macho despotic fascist rapist who wants women to be dolls!!!

And no, I'm not a mysogynist. The only mysogynists here are the folks who want women to be men without penises. I hate women so much that instead of going partying and have fun drugging & exploiting them like many youngsters my age do, I want to enter a serious relationship and marry one before even trying sex with her. I hate women so much that I'm willing to give up my wellbeing, leisure, privacy and lust for the happiness, satisfaction & pleasure of one. I hate women so much that I want them to stay calm at home doing the chores they did with their childhood dolls instead of joining men's exhausting stress of the labour market.

The most female-friendly thing society can (and should) do is teaching women about their biology, how they were created, their submissive & dependent nature, how they need a man to provide for them and what's the mission God has given for them in this world, and such things. They should be taught to be selective and learn to choose the right man. They should be taught to obey & submit to him as to the Lord. They should be taught to be examples of faith, humbleness and chastity for men to follow. This way women & men will be happier, more cheerful, more fulfilled, more devoted and more full-hearted!

The combination of your ignorance and confidence in your ignorance is somewhere between appalling and astounding. You're an 18 year old boy coming into a virtual room of people who are older than you including several single women who have been sucessfully independent for longer than you've been alive and telling them they are biologically incapable of doing what they've been doing.

So you are just flat out 90% wrong with maybe 10% severely distorted facts that have a kernel of right in them. Yes allowing women to be independent of men has changed some of the balance of power in society and made it much more about individuals rather than families interacting with the larger society. And for every woman who has ever been in a relationship with a bad man that has been a welcome, wonderful, and humanizing thing. Because now we have the go it alone option rather than the pick the least bad man available option.

Women (in general) seem to be wired to prioritize security which is related to provision but doesn't mean they need a provider. In fact among those in poverty, sociologists have observed that the structures are rather matriarchal because the women are the stable and reliable ones and the men just kind of float between them to wherever they're welcome (ie the men aren't very good providers).

Bottom line is turning the clock back 100 or 150 years on women's rights and independence isn't going to solve the issues of society, and a lot of them aren't modern issues anyway and we certainly can't say they're higher than ever because our records don't go back that far (not to mention that you don't report shameful things, and some illegitimate children in times past were passed off as children of the young woman's parents). Divorce is as old as the law of Moses and thank goodness we have a legal system that prevents a woman from being divorced by her husband and left without any means of support for the most trivial of infractions. Romans practiced abortion and infanticide. And illegitimate children and mistresses were so common for men in positions of power that it's only in the last 200 years it's become anything other than socially acceptable and expected. Mental health as a discipline (at least more of a discipline than let's lock up the crazy people and show them off like animals in a zoo for entertainment) is about the same age and there was a great short film I saw about Freud's hysterical girl and how it was very possible that instead of being some woman making up crazy fantasies about a respectable older man because she was obsessed with him (as Freud pretty much assumed and interpreted), she was a victim of pedophilic attentions. Found a copy on youtube (with disclaimer that it's not a christian video so it's got swear words and I won't vouch for every image in the image montages to be g rated) Point being that we can't say much of anything about mental health through all of history because no one was looking at mental health, but there is plenty of historical evidence that things were not all that good for women and they had so few options that they demanded equal rights and opportunities and faced heavy opposition to get them.

Sin however is still a problem that affects men and women equally but in different ways. And it's nearly impossible to acheive the ideal version on anything when sin is in the mix gunking it all up.
 

seoulsearch

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Exactly, that's where your error lies, in thinking that women can be independent. Women and men are quite different, more than you think, actually. Women always need a provider because it's in their biology. Women were created to be submissive & dependent to their men, otherwise just read the Genesis and you will find out that the woman was created by God in order to bring a helper to the man. The female biology is such and nobody will change that.

This is why women shouldn't be taught to be "independent". Insisting them on being such will only make them more unstable, selfish & confused about what they want. When you teach them to be "independent" you are literally asking them to not be women. You are asking them to be men without a penis.
It's intriguing to me that you have absolutely no concept of life experiences and that others might have gone through different things than you, but it is just as valid.

When I was 25 years old, I came home from a regular day at work, and half the house was gone. My husband had packed up and left without ever giving so much as a hint as to what he was planning, determined to pursue another girl.

At the time, I was the one who was keeping us financially stable. When he left, I suddenly had to pay for everything by myself, and I had no man to rescue me.

I have lived independently ever since, and it's been a very long time. Some say that Biblically I can't marry again -- I believe that I can, but just have not met the right person. This is what I'm talking about when teaching women to live independently. You can't bet your life on a man supporting you, and you have to learn how to live life on your own in case you find yourself with no one there.

My parents are watching some of the people around them go through the loss of a spouse, and the women left behind have no idea how to pay their bills, balance their checkbook, or support themselves (let alone children) because of your exact line of thinking. These women have been left helpless and literally homeless and starving because people who think like you, though well-meaning, taught them that ignorance and complete dependence should be their way of life.

You're saying the things that you are based on an assumption that you will always be healthy, always be able to hold a job that pays for everything, will never get sick, won't ever lose a job (have you not seen what the pandemic has done to most people's employment?), be in an accident, or even die before your wife does. That's a whole lot of presumption about how you think your life will go.

Who is going to care for your wife after you die, or do you expect to outlive her?

Like I keep saying, please, stay here with us. I really want to see if you are the exception to all of life's challenges and tragedies.

I know you are only hearing what you want to hear, so my replies are no longer to you.

Rather, I'm hoping that maybe there are people out there in the audience who will understand what I'm saying and that hopefully, it will spare them needless grief.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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Hi to all fellow Christians, I’m a 18yo looking for a beautiful innocent French Christian girl to marry and have children raised in faith and humility. The thing is that I’m not from USA and need some advice for finding and dating the right girl in my country, which is France (Im of French descent but live in Luxembourg, considering moving back to France). I ask this because all the dating talks here appear to come from USA or the Anglosphere, and I need advice more suited for my country because the culture is not the same & the circumstances may be different etc. So please I kindly ask you to answer a few questions for me:

> How many single Christian girls are there in France compared to USA & the English world (excluding migrants)?

> In what aspects are Christian girls in France different from Christian girls in USA?

> How different are girls from each of the regions of France (for example the ones from the Sud Ouest & the ones from Grand Est)?

> How different are urban girls from rural girls in France?

> Give me some advice about finding & dating in France if you wish.

Thank you for your answers & good luck for all you!
Are you a virgin?
 

17Bees

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It's possible some of us aren't snatched up because we just don't respond well to the usual types of bait (if we even notice that it's meant to be bait) and / or we just have high standards for a worthy snatcher.
I have an easier time believing the latter :)
Thank you so much for your kind words, Bees.

I am bookmarking your post in the hopes of reminding myself to not go back to old doors all too often. Things are better now, but certain things -- and particular days -- find my heart in places we all have a version of in our lives that we know we should leave behind, but something keeps pulling us back.

We all have detrimental things we believe about ourselves, and for myself, rejection from birth parents and then a husband has forever given me the self-branding of "Unwanted" and, most importantly, "Replaceable." I often feel like I am just waiting for people to find the replacement they're either purposely looking for or accidentally come across, but find they like this new option a whole lot better. (Usually because it's much less difficult!) :D

But I guess this is the ultimate inner struggle we all go through as Christians -- trying to learn to replace the things we see about ourselves, and to replace them with what God says He sees about us instead.

The amazing thing about you, Bees, is that despite the things you yourself have struggled with and the losses you've suffered, you always manage to put the focus on others, lifting them up, rather than ever worrying much about yourself. I often wish you'd let us focus on you just a bit more. :giggle:

Much love to you, @17Bees, @Kireina, and @oyster67 for your very sweet words during a particularly difficult time. (Hug hugs!!)
Then I'll keep a stock of penalty flags on me. Throw one up the next time you have a self-awareness misfire. But speaking of self-awareness, and not to get all philosophical about it, I think Christians usually grieve with a deeper despair and a remorse more profound because we become in tune somehow with our own spirit. A spirit that hears that secret language only the Holy One speaks.
 

17Bees

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Yes! She is ❤



Beautiful❤ To read something like this makes you feel good about yourself...and give you confidence...this is such a beautiful encouragement for people like me who sometimes struggle to feel like I am worthy of someone's attention also...because honestly there are moments when a fleeting question pops up in my mind "if I am wonderful" why nobody takes me yet lol 🤔 😄


"so are you" @17Bees you seem like a wonderful and smart person...you see things with more wisdom and with a heart 😊 I don't read books but I think if you are the author I would enjoy reading your books 😄

If you are not taken yet Any girl would be blessed to have you , You are a decent catch as well 🤗



If you are taken already congratulations to your woman 🤗👏

God bless you ❤
Thank you Kireina. I think you just made my day..... nope, my month! Your name ...... I hope I'm pronouncing it right in my head. I think it's Indonesian or maybe Japanese. Either way, it fits you!
 

phil36

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Exactly, that's where your error lies, in thinking that women can be independent. Women and men are quite different, more than you think, actually. Women always need a provider because it's in their biology. Women were created to be submissive & dependent to their men, otherwise just read the Genesis and you will find out that the woman was created by God in order to bring a helper to the man. The female biology is such and nobody will change that.

This is why women shouldn't be taught to be "independent". Insisting them on being such will only make them more unstable, selfish & confused about what they want. When you teach them to be "independent" you are literally asking them to not be women. You are asking them to be men without a penis. And since they can't be such, they will start to waver and feel unsure about what they have got to do because of the contradicting messages they receive. Just look at today's modern "independent" women, why are they cheating much more than their older dependent grandmothers? Don't they longer need a man to give attention to them? Why do those divorced, modern empowered "independent" women, quickly cling to another man after the divorce?

And no, I'm not a mysogynist. The only mysogynists here are the folks who want women to be men without penises. I hate women so much that instead of going partying and have fun drugging & exploiting them like many youngsters my age do, I want to enter a serious relationship and marry one before even trying sex with her. I hate women so much that I'm willing to give up my wellbeing, leisure, privacy and lust for the happiness, satisfaction & pleasure of one. I hate women so much that I want them to stay calm at home doing the chores they did with their childhood dolls instead of joining men's exhausting stress of the labour market.

The most female-friendly thing society can (and should) do is teaching women about their biology, how they were created, their submissive & dependent nature, how they need a man to provide for them and what's the mission God has given for them in this world, and such things. They should be taught to be selective and learn to choose the right man. They should be taught to obey & submit to him as to the Lord. They should be taught to be examples of faith, humbleness and chastity for men to follow. This way women & men will be happier, more cheerful, more fulfilled, more devoted and more full-hearted!

Shakes head... what did I just read..... o_O.

I hope you ladies are taking note..now get into that kitchen, get the dinner on and wash the dishes.. and while your at I need my slippers put on and I don't want to hear any noise as I am going to have a snooze!! :LOL::ROFL::LOL:.

why are they cheating much more than their older dependent grandmothers? Don't they longer need a man to give attention to them? Why do those divorced, modern empowered "independent" women, quickly cling to another man after the divorce?
Why are men doing the same?


Teaching women to be "independent" has only killed them. Now adultery, abortions, divorces, illegitimite births, suicides, depressions, promiscuity, alcoholism & substance abuse disorders are higher than ever. Something went wrong with this new "freedom" and those new modern empowered liberated "independent" women of the 21st century for sure. Ohh the women in the past were so oppressed & enslaved ohh those poor wives wanted some fun and freedom ohh they were so bored with their abusive husbands ohhhh they wanted to try a new job and so on... this is indeed so true and evident in that the women of today's age of fun, freedom & equality have a far worse mental health than the women of the patriarchal, oppressive & heteronormative past! Oooohh I'm a macho despotic fascist rapist who wants women to be dolls!!!
Again, why do men, commit adultery, get divorced, tell their wives girlfriends to get abortions, are promiscuous, have substance abuse disorders? All these things have went up in both sexes. Oh and the ''pill'' why just blame women, it has allowed men to get away with a more promiscuous lifestyle as well. I'm not even sure what your above paragraph has to do with Christian women?

Just relax, step back and take a deep breath, Real life is messy, there is no such thing as the perfect wife/husband. Just be careful that your vision of a perfect submissive wife is not becoming an idol. You sound very uptight about it all, just take some more time for yourself, to live a little more in the real world. And when the right lady comes along for you I am sure your fears will fade away. Unless you cannot drop your controlling nature which will then drive her away. And remember if you want your future wife to respect you, You have to earn it first! The emphasize is on YOU!

Anyhow......
 

Lynx

Folksy yet erudite
Aug 13, 2014
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Exactly, that's where your error lies, in thinking that women can be independent. Women and men are quite different, more than you think, actually. Women always need a provider because it's in their biology. Women were created to be submissive & dependent to their men, otherwise just read the Genesis and you will find out that the woman was created by God in order to bring a helper to the man. The female biology is such and nobody will change that.

This is why women shouldn't be taught to be "independent". Insisting them on being such will only make them more unstable, selfish & confused about what they want. When you teach them to be "independent" you are literally asking them to not be women. You are asking them to be men without a penis. And since they can't be such, they will start to waver and feel unsure about what they have got to do because of the contradicting messages they receive. Just look at today's modern "independent" women, why are they cheating much more than their older dependent grandmothers? Don't they longer need a man to give attention to them? Why do those divorced, modern empowered "independent" women, quickly cling to another man after the divorce?

Teaching women to be "independent" has only killed them. Now adultery, abortions, divorces, illegitimite births, suicides, depressions, promiscuity, alcoholism & substance abuse disorders are higher than ever. Something went wrong with this new "freedom" and those new modern empowered liberated "independent" women of the 21st century for sure. Ohh the women in the past were so oppressed & enslaved ohh those poor wives wanted some fun and freedom ohh they were so bored with their abusive husbands ohhhh they wanted to try a new job and so on... this is indeed so true and evident in that the women of today's age of fun, freedom & equality have a far worse mental health than the women of the patriarchal, oppressive & heteronormative past! Oooohh I'm a macho despotic fascist rapist who wants women to be dolls!!!

And no, I'm not a mysogynist. The only mysogynists here are the folks who want women to be men without penises. I hate women so much that instead of going partying and have fun drugging & exploiting them like many youngsters my age do, I want to enter a serious relationship and marry one before even trying sex with her. I hate women so much that I'm willing to give up my wellbeing, leisure, privacy and lust for the happiness, satisfaction & pleasure of one. I hate women so much that I want them to stay calm at home doing the chores they did with their childhood dolls instead of joining men's exhausting stress of the labour market.

The most female-friendly thing society can (and should) do is teaching women about their biology, how they were created, their submissive & dependent nature, how they need a man to provide for them and what's the mission God has given for them in this world, and such things. They should be taught to be selective and learn to choose the right man. They should be taught to obey & submit to him as to the Lord. They should be taught to be examples of faith, humbleness and chastity for men to follow. This way women & men will be happier, more cheerful, more fulfilled, more devoted and more full-hearted!
Okay I changed my vote. Lanolin is right. This dude is a troll.

Nobody can really believe all that junk. Even saying it with a straight face requires a strong desire to troll a christian forum. I don't think I could summon the motivation to say it without giggling.
 

G00WZ

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@FrenchandChristian

You could always become a full blown Mennonite, a lot of them come from Netherlands and Switzerland and some of them are in France so that's basically blond hair blue eyes and whatnot.
 

Kireina

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I would gladly take both you and SS if I could. I feel like the luckiest man in the world just to have you two as friends.
Fwendddz?
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😂😂😂

Thank you sir you are definitely a fine nice man @oyster67 🤗 God bless you ❤
 

Kireina

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Thank you

Much love to you, @17Bees, @Kireina, and @oyster67 for your very sweet words during a particularly difficult time. (Hug hugs!!)

Hugsss back 🤗🤗🤗 you are always welcome @seoulsearch

Thank you Kireina. I think you just made my day..... nope, my month! Your name ...... I hope I'm pronouncing it right in my head. I think it's Indonesian or maybe Japanese. Either way, it fits you!
I would say thank you more 🤗 but I am glad 🤗 you are always welcome @17Bees



It is a japanese word I guess but that is not my real name 😅
 
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The combination of your ignorance and confidence in your ignorance is somewhere between appalling and astounding. You're an 18 year old boy coming into a virtual room of people who are older than you including several single women who have been sucessfully independent for longer than you've been alive and telling them they are biologically incapable of doing what they've been doing.

So you are just flat out 90% wrong with maybe 10% severely distorted facts that have a kernel of right in them. Yes allowing women to be independent of men has changed some of the balance of power in society and made it much more about individuals rather than families interacting with the larger society. And for every woman who has ever been in a relationship with a bad man that has been a welcome, wonderful, and humanizing thing. Because now we have the go it alone option rather than the pick the least bad man available option.

Women (in general) seem to be wired to prioritize security which is related to provision but doesn't mean they need a provider. In fact among those in poverty, sociologists have observed that the structures are rather matriarchal because the women are the stable and reliable ones and the men just kind of float between them to wherever they're welcome (ie the men aren't very good providers).

Bottom line is turning the clock back 100 or 150 years on women's rights and independence isn't going to solve the issues of society, and a lot of them aren't modern issues anyway and we certainly can't say they're higher than ever because our records don't go back that far (not to mention that you don't report shameful things, and some illegitimate children in times past were passed off as children of the young woman's parents). Divorce is as old as the law of Moses and thank goodness we have a legal system that prevents a woman from being divorced by her husband and left without any means of support for the most trivial of infractions. Romans practiced abortion and infanticide. And illegitimate children and mistresses were so common for men in positions of power that it's only in the last 200 years it's become anything other than socially acceptable and expected. Mental health as a discipline (at least more of a discipline than let's lock up the crazy people and show them off like animals in a zoo for entertainment) is about the same age and there was a great short film I saw about Freud's hysterical girl and how it was very possible that instead of being some woman making up crazy fantasies about a respectable older man because she was obsessed with him (as Freud pretty much assumed and interpreted), she was a victim of pedophilic attentions. Found a copy on youtube (with disclaimer that it's not a christian video so it's got swear words and I won't vouch for every image in the image montages to be g rated) Point being that we can't say much of anything about mental health through all of history because no one was looking at mental health, but there is plenty of historical evidence that things were not all that good for women and they had so few options that they demanded equal rights and opportunities and faced heavy opposition to get them.

Sin however is still a problem that affects men and women equally but in different ways. And it's nearly impossible to acheive the ideal version on anything when sin is in the mix gunking it all up.
https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/women-are-dependent-on-men.341011

(Men shouldn't have sex with a different woman everyday, though! Men demonstrate their manliness by repressing their instincts & sexually reserving themselves to their wives!)
 

cinder

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https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/women-are-dependent-on-men.341011

(Men shouldn't have sex with a different woman everyday, though! Men demonstrate their manliness by repressing their instincts & sexually reserving themselves to their wives!)
That's an opinion piece, in reaction to a very pro femininst piece and sounds like it's quoting just one evolutionary psychologist. We don't even know how respected that psychologist is in his profession because we don't know who he is. You're going to have to do much better than that to support your argument if you want to be taken seriously. That's hardly in the realm of proven fact (heck I can link you to a professor of psychology who consistently states that women are the ones who are sexually selective and men have to compete for them which basically puts women in charge (though I find the view that men would sleep with any willing woman, to be completely unfair and demeaning to the men who are trying to live righteously (and men in general since it pretty much takes away their agency in deciding their sexual behavior)).

No one around here is arguing that a world without men would be good; we're just saying that since a woman is likely to have to take care of herself and make it on her own without a husband at some point in her life, she should know how to do so and how to live independently. That can also protect her from feeling like she has to rush into a relationship when all her relationship options are bad options. Not being socially or economically forced into marriage is overall a good thing (though we haven't done a good enough job of teaching people about the benefits and responsibilities inherent in a good marriage which would be a good thing for society to focus on more).