Respecting the law
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You have no right to judge whether my eternal salvation is. assured.
2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and oflove and of a sound mind
Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit ofbondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
where in this scripture does it say you are God who can judge another persons salvation because that what youve just done. youve quoted this scripture and said if a person lives in fear there not saved. the scriptures says diffrent things about fear you and others you just seem to cherry pick scriptures that suit your own interpratation of the law.
i said fear of Gods judgement is diffrent to living in fear. you seem to think it isnt.
this clearly shows your error, because now your a law unto your self judging others with your own interpritaion of the law, and you have the cheek to call other people law pushers.
you have to be a keeper of the law and never have broke a law to judge a persons salvation which only Jesus can do that, can you see how your law has errors ?.
The word says many things about judging others and fear, your law brings fear to people because you judge unfairly and only apply your laws. you and others have taken the love out of everything ive said. you and others here really are law unto your selves.
And your all getting away with singling people out here many times which ive witnessed many times.
there are many many reasons why people fear, to suggest your saved and im not because you dont fear really is not considerate for people who fear.
Perhaps peolple get weak in faith or spiritual oppression causes fear.
i wont be engaging with you no more your going on my ignor god bless you.
2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and oflove and of a sound mind
Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit ofbondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
where in this scripture does it say you are God who can judge another persons salvation because that what youve just done. youve quoted this scripture and said if a person lives in fear there not saved. the scriptures says diffrent things about fear you and others you just seem to cherry pick scriptures that suit your own interpratation of the law.
i said fear of Gods judgement is diffrent to living in fear. you seem to think it isnt.
this clearly shows your error, because now your a law unto your self judging others with your own interpritaion of the law, and you have the cheek to call other people law pushers.
you have to be a keeper of the law and never have broke a law to judge a persons salvation which only Jesus can do that, can you see how your law has errors ?.
The word says many things about judging others and fear, your law brings fear to people because you judge unfairly and only apply your laws. you and others have taken the love out of everything ive said. you and others here really are law unto your selves.
And your all getting away with singling people out here many times which ive witnessed many times.
there are many many reasons why people fear, to suggest your saved and im not because you dont fear really is not considerate for people who fear.
Perhaps peolple get weak in faith or spiritual oppression causes fear.
i wont be engaging with you no more your going on my ignor god bless you.
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Since you have put eternally-grateful on Ignore, I will respond.
He wasn't judging; he was wondering. There's a significant difference.
No, it isn't.
I'll have to check whether he stated that.
As do you. It is quite appropriate to highlight particular verses that address exactly the point one is trying to make, so long as they are used in a manner consistent with their context.
Please explain the distinction, as you see it.
Again, he wasn't judging.
There is no love in what you say; it's all "law".
Responding directly to a person's post is not "singling out". Again, if you can't handle being addressed directly, your skin is too thin. If you don't like your comments receiving responses, don't post comments. Whining about it only reflects poorly on you. This forum is not some liberal college "safe space" for snowflakes.
Let's extend that to its logical conclusion: "to suggest that people who reject Jesus aren't saved really is not considerate for people who reject Jesus." Are you sure you want to use that argument?
I challenge you to face what he says instead of avoiding it. You'll get stronger by dealing with (perceived) opposition.
He wasn't judging; he was wondering. There's a significant difference.
No, it isn't.
I'll have to check whether he stated that.
As do you. It is quite appropriate to highlight particular verses that address exactly the point one is trying to make, so long as they are used in a manner consistent with their context.
Please explain the distinction, as you see it.
Again, he wasn't judging.
There is no love in what you say; it's all "law".
Responding directly to a person's post is not "singling out". Again, if you can't handle being addressed directly, your skin is too thin. If you don't like your comments receiving responses, don't post comments. Whining about it only reflects poorly on you. This forum is not some liberal college "safe space" for snowflakes.
Let's extend that to its logical conclusion: "to suggest that people who reject Jesus aren't saved really is not considerate for people who reject Jesus." Are you sure you want to use that argument?
I challenge you to face what he says instead of avoiding it. You'll get stronger by dealing with (perceived) opposition.
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1. You want to put people under law
2. You want people to fear our abba father
Of course your going to ignore me. You like so many others who cant stand to be called out. And you have nothing to counter me with. SO you run.
Well run my friend. My God offers peace and rest. I pray you find it one day. But the path you are taking I have very little hope
2. You want people to fear our abba father
Of course your going to ignore me. You like so many others who cant stand to be called out. And you have nothing to counter me with. SO you run.
Well run my friend. My God offers peace and rest. I pray you find it one day. But the path you are taking I have very little hope
Romans 2:14
Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
Romans 2:27
The one who is physically uncircumcised yet keeps the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
Treasury of Scripture
Romans 1:18,19
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; …
their conscience, etc.
Romans 9:1
I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
John 8:9
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Acts 23:1
And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.
the mean while.
ohhhh.... i see. . . . . . . . . . . . . . a law unto ourselves.
"as a man thinketh so He is" if we believe we should do what is right we will want to learn how to and learn how to apply every law to our to our lives with the Spirit's help.
if we think not -- if we do not have such thinking or even just belief strong enough that we should do right, we may/will not even become aware of enough of laws to even begin to think more and more correctly, and live more and more correctly.
love is/ can be a very vague thing/idea it seems if not rooted in truth. Jesus : the Truth, Way, and Life -- kept all the laws perfectly. we ahould want to become like that.
to become True. if we are not being true enough and/or even have not sought truth and life enough over error and non-spirit in our lives. then the words we speak can end up being false and/or somewhat wrong, or very wrong.
"as a man thinketh so He is". as Christ thought -- so He was. as we think -- so we become. as we fail to think truthfully -- so we mislead ourselves -- and others.
You are creating an argument I haven’t made , my argument is that the law of Moses was not from the beginning it came because of sin , and it was only ever until Christ came with the truth
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
Galatians 3:19
the law was meant to Last until Christ came. He is the seed that is mentioned there to whom the promise is made so the law was until Christ came and fulfilled it and removed the curse from mankind
Here’s proof that Moses law was not from the beginning and was added because of mans sin
“The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. ( genesis 2)
They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
Matthew 19:3-9 KJV
It wasn’t Moses word until man was condemned and sinful in heart then the law came to those condemned sinners not to save them but for this reason
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
( now the gospel came )
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;”
Romans 3:19-21 KJV
Moses law is for the sinner
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,….
1 Timothy 1:9-10 KJV
the gospel is about being born again in the righteousness of God
listen , there are two covenants in scripture one can save one can only condemn it’s not the ot anymore it was only meant to last until Christ came to save us
there’s nothing in Moses law that applies to eternal Life it’s all carnal and temporal a spiritual law designed to condemn sinners and show them thier guilt so they would then receive the messiah who is the lord that saved by his word and his blood
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.”
Galatians 3:19
the law was meant to Last until Christ came. He is the seed that is mentioned there to whom the promise is made so the law was until Christ came and fulfilled it and removed the curse from mankind
Here’s proof that Moses law was not from the beginning and was added because of mans sin
“The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. ( genesis 2)
They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
Matthew 19:3-9 KJV
It wasn’t Moses word until man was condemned and sinful in heart then the law came to those condemned sinners not to save them but for this reason
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
( now the gospel came )
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;”
Romans 3:19-21 KJV
Moses law is for the sinner
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,….
1 Timothy 1:9-10 KJV
the gospel is about being born again in the righteousness of God
listen , there are two covenants in scripture one can save one can only condemn it’s not the ot anymore it was only meant to last until Christ came to save us
there’s nothing in Moses law that applies to eternal Life it’s all carnal and temporal a spiritual law designed to condemn sinners and show them thier guilt so they would then receive the messiah who is the lord that saved by his word and his blood
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I think the issue is you have been proven wrong by people several times with scripture and you can’t accept it , I’m not sure if you know this but it doesn’t matter which Christian has a good word ,l that matters is if we’re willing to accept the word that is coming from the spirit in scripture
brother the law of Moses can’t save anybody and it’s actually a detriment to a Christian to believe it is thier law to keep. It is a yoke no one could ever bear
it’s why the apostles said plainly it isn’t Christian doctrine . Here is one reason they came to that decision when they all gathered to consider the laws place in Christianity
This was the matter of whether the law of Moses was to be Christian doctrine by the apostles here’s some of the reasoning
“Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.”
Acts 15:10-11 KJV
it’s not only not required it is a detriment , an un bearable yoke that pit even Moses to death for his one transgression and excluded Moses from the promise of the earthly land. Even it’s mediator was Unforgiven under the law and excluded what does that say?
I hope you don’t go elsewhere , but I hope also you will consider what many people have shown you in many posts other than this thread.
I love your zeal and knowledge about the law , I think you would benefit greatly by letting in the revelation the New Testament offers about the law ot wouod be a blessing to you and those you speak with
brother the law of Moses can’t save anybody and it’s actually a detriment to a Christian to believe it is thier law to keep. It is a yoke no one could ever bear
it’s why the apostles said plainly it isn’t Christian doctrine . Here is one reason they came to that decision when they all gathered to consider the laws place in Christianity
This was the matter of whether the law of Moses was to be Christian doctrine by the apostles here’s some of the reasoning
“Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.”
Acts 15:10-11 KJV
it’s not only not required it is a detriment , an un bearable yoke that pit even Moses to death for his one transgression and excluded Moses from the promise of the earthly land. Even it’s mediator was Unforgiven under the law and excluded what does that say?
I hope you don’t go elsewhere , but I hope also you will consider what many people have shown you in many posts other than this thread.
I love your zeal and knowledge about the law , I think you would benefit greatly by letting in the revelation the New Testament offers about the law ot wouod be a blessing to you and those you speak with
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i agree with most of what you said, i have always said the law is written on our heart and behaviour is a result of Jesus in us. The laws is more then just obeying the written words, they are principles that are written on our heart by faith.
I sixth commandment is written because it is contrary to love and so are all the other commandments, so if i respect the commandments as principles of Love, and obey them because i love God am i doing anything wrong?
The word of God is how the Holy Spirit convicts me, when the conscience tells me not to take the Lords name in vain, i am thankful i read the 2nd commandment. The law is spiritual and God gave us ten commands of love, because of the sinfulness of the world, to help us see clearly.
I sixth commandment is written because it is contrary to love and so are all the other commandments, so if i respect the commandments as principles of Love, and obey them because i love God am i doing anything wrong?
The word of God is how the Holy Spirit convicts me, when the conscience tells me not to take the Lords name in vain, i am thankful i read the 2nd commandment. The law is spiritual and God gave us ten commands of love, because of the sinfulness of the world, to help us see clearly.
Prove to me that it is the Jewish Sabbath?
It was made for all mankind.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
It was made for all mankind.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.