Why Are Women Expected to be the Gatekeepers of Virginity?

I always wonder how much social conditioning has to do with it.

I mean, little girls are bombarded with advertising for princess and pony merchandise and anything made for girls is pink and sparkly. Every kids show or move reinforces the notion that "princesses are for girls, trucks are for boys."

If they did a study with kids who had grown up on a farm with both expecting to do farm work and had never seen commercial entertainment or advertisements, would the kids react differently?

I think they just might. Granted, the boys probably still wouldn't have anything to say to each other, lol.

My grandparents were fruit farmers and they were out every day from before sunrise to after sunset. I can still remember seeing my Grandma as a kid, up on the top of an old-fashioned cherry shaker, and she took hold of that tree and shook the bazookas out of it. After God called her home, my Grandpa emotionally described the days when the two of them were young and had just gotten the farm, and how they had measured out all the lines of where to plant to crops together.

My Grandma was beautiful and no doubt feminine, as well as being the only girl out of about 8 boys on both sides of the family. Her biggest fashion splurge was a collection of round plastic earrings she wore every day.

The only things my grandparents watched on TV (they preferred the newspaper) was the news and Lawrence Welk.

My Grandma had absolutely no interest in shopping, jewelry, or makeup, and certainly wasn't into princesses or ponies -- there was too much work to do.

But she also did all the cooking, and when she died, my Grandpa refused to even learn how to use a microwave because that was "woman's work."

One of the biggest concerns we had was that he would starve to death, because he knew everything about growing his own food, but absolutely nothing about how to prepare it.

Eh? I've never tried them plain myself. All I get is the bag of sugar from the store, sugar that was made from beets.

Now I'm wondering how one bakes a sugar beet... If you bake a sweet potato at low heat for a long time it jumpstarts the conversion from starch to sugar, resulting in a very sweet potato indeed. Wonder if that would work the same for sugar beets... assuming one ever wanted to bake a sugar beet.

I always wonder how much social conditioning has to do with it.

I mean, little girls are bombarded with advertising for princess and pony merchandise and anything made for girls is pink and sparkly. Every kids show or move reinforces the notion that "princesses are for girls, trucks are for boys."

If they did a study with kids who had grown up on a farm with both expecting to do farm work and had never seen commercial entertainment or advertisements, would the kids react differently?

I think they just might. Granted, the boys probably still wouldn't have anything to say to each other, lol.

My grandparents were fruit farmers and they were out every day from before sunrise to after sunset. I can still remember seeing my Grandma as a kid, up on the top of an old-fashioned cherry shaker, and she took hold of that tree and shook the bazookas out of it. After God called her home, my Grandpa emotionally described the days when the two of them were young and had just gotten the farm, and how they had measured out all the lines of where to plant to crops together.

My Grandma was beautiful and no doubt feminine, as well as being the only girl out of about 8 boys on both sides of the family. Her biggest fashion splurge was a collection of round plastic earrings she wore every day.

The only things my grandparents watched on TV (they preferred the newspaper) was the news and Lawrence Welk.

My Grandma had absolutely no interest in shopping, jewelry, or makeup, and certainly wasn't into princesses or ponies -- there was too much work to do.

But she also did all the cooking, and when she died, my Grandpa refused to even learn how to use a microwave because that was "woman's work."

One of the biggest concerns we had was that he would starve to death, because he knew everything about growing his own food, but absolutely nothing about how to prepare it.

You sure are an interesting one, Herk.

To sum up your posts, you've tried to tell me: what question I should have asked in my thread, how I think, and now, how I feel.

Do you do this to other people as well?

Well, if it makes you feel better, Herk, keep on going.

I'm not here to stop you.

Lol, my father sounds very much like your grandfather. We always said he'd starve to death by the microwave if anything happened to mom. Well last year mom took cancer. I help as much as I can, but I also have a home to care for. Dad had to learn to make meals. My hubby and I almost cracked up when he told us he had "cooked" supper by putting frozen food on a tray and put it in the oven. He said "I think I cooked"! I said "no dad, you warmed but nice start. lol

I wouldn't say I was much into princesses growing up. We played a lot outside. My father was into music, my sister and I both followed him into ministry. By 16 I was already in traveling ministry, not full time but it ended up that way. So I wouldn't say I was a typical girl. I know more about fixing things than hubby. lol Our light switch stopped working one day. I took the plate off, saw it was wired wrong, shut off the power and fixed it. Last year we bought a new bbq and hubby lost patience trying to put it together. He went downstairs to chill out and an hour later when he came back I had it finished. But my father wasn't good at fixing things so I learned to do a few things. I'd say I'm feminine, considering I've spent most of my life dressed up and on a stage.

No I actually don't do this to other people, but I get the feeling you do, based on what I'm reading. Part of what I do for living is to observe and get a feel for people. Your responses and line of questioning is no different than the people I deal with on a day to day basis. Honestly, if anything, I think someone(s) hurt you. If that's true, I'm sorry that you had to go through it. But it's no excuse to try and accuse all men of playing double standards in regards to what you ask.

Have I been hurt? Yes, on multiple occasions. Do I blame all women for doing it? No, because I know there are good women out there. I just had the rotten luck of being interested and/or dating bad ones that I didn't know were horrible people. Right now, there's a woman that I know who might be dropping hints that she likes me. I like her too, but my hesitance in going out with her is she has been married before and I don't know what happened that caused the divorce. I'm hoping she wasn't the one, but I can't say for sure that's the case. But there are some good signs coming from, such as she's very involved with her kids and her grandkids (she had her first child at 18 y/o, 43 now) and being kind to my brother with autism. Does that seal the deal? No. I need to see where her heart is with God and if she has a good relationship with him.

Either way, in terms of going out on a date, I shouldn't be this hesitant, and there are other men that are the same way. We would prefer women to stay abstinent until marriage. Adultery is a sin. We understand there are certain circumstances where women may not have predicted, but just to go and do it, knowing the consequences, is very different. I argue the same thing about men. Many of us do need to restrain ourselves. The bad ones, typically, set the good ones up to get hurt, with or without knowing it. So, yes, it's annoying to for women (and men) to hear to not have sex before marriage, but it needs said, especially in a secular society we live in today. God's Word and plan for us is far important than what a group of non-believers have to say on the contrary.

My wife is almost as bad as your father...and it is of some concern. (I'm 17 years older than her)
I do all the real cooking...she can do some but she isn't really comfortable in there. Heat and eat is her forte.

I just made a pan of yeast risen cinnamon rolls...put in a bit of cardamom in the dough as an experiment...(it's good)

I have warped her taste buds to no end. We loathe eating out anymore.

So what is she going to eat after I'm gone? Kinda worried about that one.

Sorry, off topic. SQUIRREL! Ignore me and my sugar beets.

No I actually don't do this to other people, but I get the feeling you do, based on what I'm reading. Part of what I do for living is to observe and get a feel for people. Your responses and line of questioning is no different than the people I deal with on a day to day basis. Honestly, if anything, I think someone(s) hurt you. If that's true, I'm sorry that you had to go through it. But it's no excuse to try and accuse all men of playing double standards in regards to what you ask.

No I actually don't do this to other people, but I get the feeling you do, based on what I'm reading. Part of what I do for living is to observe and get a feel for people. Your responses and line of questioning is no different than the people I deal with on a day to day basis. Honestly, if anything, I think someone(s) hurt you. If that's true, I'm sorry that you had to go through it. But it's no excuse to try and accuse all men of playing double standards in regards to what you ask.

Have I been hurt? Yes, on multiple occasions. Do I blame all women for doing it? No, because I know there are good women out there. I just had the rotten luck of being interested and/or dating bad ones that I didn't know were horrible people. Right now, there's a woman that I know who might be dropping hints that she likes me. I like her too, but my hesitance in going out with her is she has been married before and I don't know what happened that caused the divorce. I'm hoping she wasn't the one, but I can't say for sure that's the case. But there are some good signs coming from, such as she's very involved with her kids and her grandkids (she had her first child at 18 y/o, 43 now) and being kind to my brother with autism. Does that seal the deal? No. I need to see where her heart is with God and if she has a good relationship with him.

Either way, in terms of going out on a date, I shouldn't be this hesitant, and there are other men that are the same way. We would prefer women to stay abstinent until marriage. Adultery is a sin. We understand there are certain circumstances where women may not have predicted, but just to go and do it, knowing the consequences, is very different. I argue the same thing about men. Many of us do need to restrain ourselves. The bad ones, typically, set the good ones up to get hurt, with or without knowing it. So, yes, it's annoying to for women (and men) to hear to not have sex before marriage, but it needs said, especially in a secular society we live in today. God's Word and plan for us is far important than what a group of non-believers have to say on the contrary.

Don't make me report you for derailing the thread.

Those who live in Glass houses should not throw bricks. Want me to go back and compile evidence about your derails? You know I'm a nerd. I will happily spend hours gathering the evidence.

Alright!
Enough now!
All you nerds put your calculators back in your hip holsters.

Which is why it would be so easy to win this showdown. I bet you don't even have custom security running on your computers, just some off-the-shelf program.

Ugh at every holiday table my father wanted beets. I tried them as a kid and hated them. So much so that I haven't tasted them again to see if my taste changed. I don't even like the look of them. Don't know why I had to add that information...

Ugh at every holiday table my father wanted beets. I tried them as a kid and hated them. So much so that I haven't tasted them again to see if my taste changed. I don't even like the look of them. Don't know why I had to add that information...