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Every time someone gets hopped up and spitting, saying, you just refuse to believe scriptures!! - I get a chuckle because I see them in my mind wearing robes and a turban and saying: no prophet comes from Nazareth, read the scriptures for yourself and see!! :LOL:

It was said in scripture that He would be from or come from Egypt, Nazareth and Bethlehem. And so they fought over which of those places He would come from. One man even said: no prophet comes from Nazareth, read the scriptures for yourself!! But it happened exactly as the prophets said!

The never shalt thou be anymore portion of the verse could be farther future than the rest of the verse, shrume. We do have a precedent for this in the famous Isaiah verse that Jesus stood and read, don't we?

If you cannot yet fit two verses together, it does not necessarily mean one has to be not literal. There is this option: there is something we are missing or not understanding.

No way! To say one is actually true and one is actually not true is NOT the only option! If there is no reason to think it may be allegorical, then you must exhaust every other option before you insist it HAS to be allegorical. Can one man come from three places? Which of the three places that...

But I also think that spiritual truths explained with relatable human/temporal things is almost the only way TO explain what is spirit and truth...

I do agree that we should not use allegory as a means to dismiss a verse because it does not fit into what we are building...

Micah said: And it will come about in the last days That the mountain of the house of the LORD Will be established as the chief of the mountains It will be raised above the hills, And the peoples will stream to it. Many nations will come and say, "Come and let us go up to the mountain of the...

And would the millennium be the very last day?

YES! :) By examining it very carefully and by asking God: what am I missing here, what am I not seeing here? Yes, it does say these things in the OT. There is a lot of support for some things having changed, including: I make all things new, will you see it? (my paraphrase). By shrume: I...

Okay, I looked at the verse penned. See! Now you do not appear nuts to me! I can agree or disagree, whichever, but now I can see that you at least do have verses that you think support the idea! In other words, I may or may not be convinced but at least I can't call you a nut. And now the idea...

This is at least better...you have a verse in Hosea you think supports the thought. Two is better than one! You should have tried to give two witnesses/verses from the beginning! Do you have a third verse to support the thought? (It's okay if you don't but best if you do). I'll go look at Hosea...

The OT and the NT are different in this. The OT was always sleep/grave/ sheol. Some explain away the change in the NT and some explain away the statements in the OT. Again.

Yes, it seems apparent to me too. And then in Revelation, it is apparent to me that he will be tormented forever and ever. Is there any possible way to keep from explaining a verse away and still maintain your belief? Both sides explain away whatever wars with their belief. Both sides do it...

GM penned! I called you pennePastaEd earlier. teehee. I expected a retaliation, like...oh, hey there Shunnedwithmace! :D I think...this idea, while interesting, will not really fly...:unsure: When I read the word "like" I typically think something is not being overtly stated but more of...

Not necessarily. The word is the same one used to convey Gods' Spirit, isn't it?

Meh. Not necessarily. The spirit spoken of could conceivably be the Holy Spirit. Or/and it could be saying the word divides or discerns between the soulish of a matter and the spirit of a matter. At any rate, I didn't think it was among the best verses to try to prove that men are born with an...

oooohhh...men are sneaky...:LOL:

You think that because I printed a few of the verses but not all of the verses that I am dishonest? You know, I have to go find it, copy it, paste it, THEN go and get another one and do the same thing? You can't conceive that maybe after a few, my hand got tired...?? Good grief man! :LOL: