It will be lousy for me if my family celebrate my birthday on the day Stalin was born because they agree with the cold war.
DECEMBER 25?
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Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
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14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
If the Saturnalia is observed on winter solstice, it would be the 21st or the 22nd of December, not that it makes any difference in commemorating our blessed Lord's birth.
What is the exact date of Christ's birth if you please?
If you cannot say with reason and exactitude this entire thread, like in years past, is moot.
Rom
14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
If the Saturnalia is observed on winter solstice, it would be the 21st or the 22nd of December, not that it makes any difference in commemorating our blessed Lord's birth.
What is the exact date of Christ's birth if you please?
If you cannot say with reason and exactitude this entire thread, like in years past, is moot.
when people lift a passage, from an epistle, out of context, and use if for a proof text, with no supporting Scripture, it is just wrong.
Listen. Think.
God used a whole chapter in Leviticus to define HIS Holy Days.
Do you really think He would allow Paul to wipe that out with a letter written to a group of believers in Rome?
Not a chance.
People WANT to do the Dec25 ritual. They will fight to keep it. It is just not Biblical, and in my opinion, not acceptable.
First you tell me what is in my heart and mind, and now you tell me I am too stupid to know whan I am referring to a quote from the Holy Scriptures in context? This is going bbeyond the pain young man.
First, I have read the Word including the cited passages several dozen times, perhaps over a hundred times, and I have always understood the quoted passage perfectly.
Do not mislead others, innocent of yet knowing the quoted scrupture, with legalistic phrases and accusations of not knowing the context of the quoted passage.
Please, learn the quoted passages and use them in context as do I.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
First, I have read the Word including the cited passages several dozen times, perhaps over a hundred times, and I have always understood the quoted passage perfectly.
Do not mislead others, innocent of yet knowing the quoted scrupture, with legalistic phrases and accusations of not knowing the context of the quoted passage.
Please, learn the quoted passages and use them in context as do I.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
that may be a bit dramatic for what I said.
I am glad you have read the Scriptures, but clearly we don't agree.
Paul's letter is a letter. We don't know the whole story.
In my opinion, he is referring to which days are best for fasting. Some of the Jewish leaders taught that it is best to fast on Monday and Thursday. Others said it didn't matter which day you fast. This is what I believe Paul is talking about - food.
With that said, I stand by what I posted.
If God declares certain days to be holy, Paul can't wipe that out with a letter.
Paul isn't doing any such thing. This is what our easy grace doctrine has tried to teach us, but it is not true.
The word, incorrigible comes to mind. I pray you find the understanding and wisdom from God not to say you know what another is feeling, this is sayiing you know his heart, as you have declared about me to me.
It demonstrates a tendendy to interpret others,, ven paul with that same gift, an ability until ow only attributed to Godm, Himself.
¨Continue putting words into your own agenda and context, but I will not abide by it.
It demonstrates a tendendy to interpret others,, ven paul with that same gift, an ability until ow only attributed to Godm, Himself.
¨Continue putting words into your own agenda and context, but I will not abide by it.
Paul changes NOTHING of God's Word. YOU on the other hand deny that Paul's writings are ALSO God's Word!
God celebrated Christ's birth in some pretty spectacular ways.
-JGIG
You are right, but He didn't wait until 25December to do it
Excellent hypothetical question.
Sadly, I think the majority of Christianity would keep celebrating on the 25th, which would show just how ingrained the traditions of man are in the Body.
Excellent analogy and very appropriate, and one that I think should give us all pause when looking at different facets of our relationship with God.
Good to see you!
We'll be singing O Come Emmanuel and Nigh Divine at our Sukkot celebration in a couple of weeks. It's a shame songs like these aren't a part of Christian worship throughout the whole year.
Sadly though, this isn't a Scriptural teaching, nor is there any evidence of God ever doing this. In fact, God has extremely strict standards of what to do when encountering pagan gods and worship of them.
Correct. There is no shortage of reference to idolatrous "high places", "incense altars", asherah, molten images, etc. and no instance where God commanded Hebrews to simply co-opt them into Temple (or Tabernacle) worship. Idols were always to be destroyed.
Paul's writings are Holy Scripture. If they SEEM to conflict with OT passages (also Holy Scripture) then we have not fully understood the relative scope and meaning of both. Such apparent conflicts, and their careful resolution, are maybe the best way of learning biblical truth.
When reading all of the Word, the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Gospels correlates the OT, the NT and with the NT the Epistles and Revelation.
The pivitol practice here is to learn from God as we are invited to do, that is, learn from Jesus Christ for He is all of theWord, amen.
The pivitol practice here is to learn from God as we are invited to do, that is, learn from Jesus Christ for He is all of theWord, amen.
re: Christ's true date of birth
A few months ago I would have wagered Sep 11, 3 BC, following Larsen's Star of Bethlehem theory. I've since found a far more compelling case for another date - August 12 in 5 BC (this is the Hebrew Tisha b'Av). This is presented in a new book "Breaking Daniel's Seal". Has anyone else on this board read it, and if so, what do you think?
I have not read either book but I do believe that it is very likely that Jesus was born during one of the late summer or early fall festivals, which are God's timetable. This looks like an interesting page: Chapter 5: The Time of Jesus' Birth
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RachelBibleStudent
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i just want to say something to you...this is intended as something positive so i hope it will be taken this way...
your posts on these kinds of topics used to come off very differently in the past...i found them more combative and with much less to move anyone towards unity...
more recently i have noticed a change...whether it was a change in your actual views or just what you emphasize or the tone with which you express your views i don't really know...but the change i noticed was a change for the better...
in any case it is nice to see a piece of iron sharper than it was before...that isn't always a common sight here on the forums...
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RachelBibleStudent
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the ancient pagans worshipped bull gods...later God had the israelites create bull sculptures for the temple courtyard...
the real question is...do false gods...being false...have any actual -right- to any of the items or terms or concepts used in pagan worship? or does the whole earth and everything in it belong to God in the first place?