DECEMBER 25?

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One thing I want to add is that Easter and Christmas are both being lumped together in certain posts as pagan holidays. Although I celebrate Christmas, I can understand some concerns about the origins and date. The same concerns don't apply to Easter. Firstly, we know exactly when the crucifixion and resurrection happened because the Bible makes it clear that it was during the feast of Passover. Unless you want to believe that we can't properly account for Passover you can't cast doubt as to the time of the passion of Christ. Secondly, long before Constantine supposedly defiled Christianity with pagan rituals the early church placed great significance on resurrection Sunday and observed it. I think it's actually disrespectful to ignore the celebration of Resurrection Sunday
You don't need to dye eggs and eat chocolate, but you should observe the day
 
disciplemike said:
good news.

I have a thread coming in a couple of days that won't be quite this controversial!

I think.
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oh yeah?

the gang is putting that together, are they?

just for little ole us?

my how quaint!


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PinkDiamond said:
One thing I want to add is that Easter and Christmas are both being lumped together in certain posts as pagan holidays. Although I celebrate Christmas, I can understand some concerns about the origins and date. The same concerns don't apply to Easter. Firstly, we know exactly when the crucifixion and resurrection happened because the Bible makes it clear that it was during the feast of Passover. Unless you want to believe that we can't properly account for Passover you can't cast doubt as to the time of the passion of Christ. Secondly, long before Constantine supposedly defiled Christianity with pagan rituals the early church placed great significance on resurrection Sunday and observed it. I think it's actually disrespectful to ignore the celebration of Resurrection Sunday
You don't need to dye eggs and eat chocolate, but you should observe the day
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just look up the etymology for the word easter.
 
disciplemike said:
no gang yet sister.
and it may be just a little controversial, to some "believers".
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you may not like Dec 25, but you sure do know how to make merry

just one joke after the other

without even meaning to

you also appear to be gifted in the art of understatement
 
disciplemike said:
just look up the etymology for the word easter.
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I know all about "Easter." I don't celebrate that holiday. I observe Good Friday and Resurrection Sunday. I'll refer to the Sunday as Easter when I talk with others simply because that is the name people are familiar with. There is nothing pagan about spending time in sober contemplation privately or in church on Friday and then joyfully celebrating his Resurrection on Sunday. That being said I have a big sweet tooth and love chocolate. I do indulge in some "Easter" chocolate because some of the best chocolate is available then :) I eat it all year round so I don't really consider chocolate consumption during that weekend pagan
 
Yonah said:
the Galatians didn't go back to the Torah...they began to follow the traditions taught in judeaism maybe more should really study galatians from a historical point of view . Paul or any of the apostles NEVER taught against the Torah... anymore then our Savior did.... way too many continue to believe what man teaches them the word is saying rather then studying for themselves and see what it really says...
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There is zero evidence for that idea in Paul's letter to the Galatians.

And though Paul did not teach against the Torah (for the Law is holy and good), he definitely taught that those who were in Christ were dead to the Law and no longer bound to it.

-JGIG
 
PinkDiamond said:
I know all about "Easter." I don't celebrate that holiday. I observe Good Friday and Resurrection Sunday. I'll refer to the Sunday as Easter when I talk with others simply because that is the name people are familiar with. There is nothing pagan about spending time in sober contemplation privately or in church on Friday and then joyfully celebrating his Resurrection on Sunday. That being said I have a big sweet tooth and love chocolate. I do indulge in some "Easter" chocolate because some of the best chocolate is available then :) I eat it all year round so I don't really consider chocolate consumption during that weekend pagan
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and make no mistake. Passover and Resurrection Sunday (Easter) are NOT the same thing.
ma'am.
 
disciplemike said:
my brother, when I was younger, even for most of my adult life, I also celebrated the December 25 Lie.

there comes a time in the learning process when we have to step away from the lies and tricks of the enemy, in my opinion.

he has commanded us to NOT worship Him in the same ways the pagans do.
with respect, dm
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The Armenian church celebrates the birth of Jesus on 6 Jan. Copts and many Eastern Orthodox celebrate it on 7 or 8 Jan.

I'm not sure why the fixation on 25 Dec. It seems if you're going to have a theory to explain something, you ought to at least account for all the facts.
 
JimmieD said:
The Armenian church celebrates the birth of Jesus on 6 Jan. Copts and many Eastern Orthodox celebrate it on 7 or 8 Jan.

I'm not sure why the fixation on 25 Dec. It seems if you're going to have a theory to explain something, you ought to at least account for all the facts.
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thank you for the input, brother.
I have enough facts to know to avoid Christmas.
You do what seemeth good unto thee.
 
Grace777x70 said:
Great article as it reveals what is going on to all of us. Thanks. I liked this portion below quoted from the article.

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119 Ministries is a Hebrew Roots organization primarily operating through their website. The group’s name is a reference to Psalm 119, which speaks in depth about following God’s Law. 119 Ministries is extremely active on social media and the internet, with smartphone apps and an extensive library of online teachings. DVDs, books, and videos are available as tools to promote their theology.

119 Ministries is associated with the Hebrew Roots movement, which claims Jesus did not do away with many of the Old Testament restrictions on diet, ceremonial purity, and so forth. This is a view long rejected by the majority of Christian theologians. Most Hebrew Roots teachers accept generally correct views of salvation, sin, Christ, and the Bible. However, they often reject the Trinity, and the strained approach they’re forced to use on the New Testament presents some additional problems. The general, clear sense of Scripture is that Christ’s “fulfillment” of the Law meant the end of those minute legalisms.

119 Ministries would claim that supposedly clear statements in books such as Galatians have been misinterpreted. And yet, that conclusion only results from assuming what one is trying to prove. The catch phrase for 119 Ministries seems to be “test everything,” which underscores the group’s apologetics-flavored approach to promoting their beliefs. Yet, unless a person is pre-determined toward their conclusions, the Hebrew Roots-related information they provide doesn’t withstand scrutiny.

Another problem with 119 Ministries, as with many Hebrew Roots organizations, is the tendency to focus outrageous levels of time and attention on minutiae. For example, the exact day or lunar cycle of a particular festival. Or speculations about blood moons or whether a calendar day should start at sunrise or sunset.

Legalistic gnat-straining like this (Titus 3:9) is exactly the kind of bureaucracy we were meant to be freed from. At the same time, that style of convenient legalism is comforting, since it makes our spirituality seem like a matter of obeying a list, rather than having a moment-to-moment, perpetual sense of obeying God’s will in our lives.

Ironically, despite the claim to uphold the entire Old Testament Law as binding on believers today, most Hebrew Roots interpretations allow for behaviors that Old Testament Jews would have considered blatantly in error, such as having a clean-shaven face or wearing clothes of mixed cloth.

119 Ministries is no different, as in one teaching they dismiss explicit Torah commands not to cut one’s hair (Leviticus 19:27) as merely references to pagan practices. At the same time, they insist that foods like pork and shellfish are still “unclean,” despite overt statements such as Mark 7:19.

There are many things to test, question, and doubt within the teachings of 119 Ministries. Those involved in the Hebrew Roots movement are generally well-meaning, and their primary message regarding salvation is essentially true. However, their approach to Scripture is extremely prejudiced and can’t really be sustained, except in the minds of those who prefer to believe it to begin with

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That article is far too kind.

119 Ministries flat out teaches that the Law is 'The Lord':


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From that same video, see how they make the progression of how they teach the Law is GOD:





Starting at 8:58:


"So, are we to test everything in accordance to peace? Do we test everything in accordance to unity? No. We test everything to the Word, Who is YHWH, Yeshua, the Spirit, the Truth, the Law."​



I can't decide whether that's more idolatry or blasphemy - blech.

-JGIG
 
PinkDiamond said:
I know all about "Easter." I don't celebrate that holiday. I observe Good Friday and Resurrection Sunday. I'll refer to the Sunday as Easter when I talk with others simply because that is the name people are familiar with. There is nothing pagan about spending time in sober contemplation privately or in church on Friday and then joyfully celebrating his Resurrection on Sunday. That being said I have a big sweet tooth and love chocolate. I do indulge in some "Easter" chocolate because some of the best chocolate is available then :) I eat it all year round so I don't really consider chocolate consumption during that weekend pagan
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I agree...I do the same thing....Do you like the rest of us supposedly pagans - eat the ears first on that chocolate bunny?.....:)
 
The BIGGEST reason Christmas is celebrated on Dec. 25th is the TRADITION .........................of making
HUGE MONEY! :rolleyes:

Any who is interested can google up a little research and learn for themselves.
Arguing is useless.:(
 
disciplemike said:
thank you for the input, brother.
I have enough facts to know to avoid Christmas.
You do what seemeth good unto thee.
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So, in other words, no explanation for the difference in Christmas dates among Christians.

I mean, honestly, thine theory is pretty terrible if it doesn't fit the facts.
 
disciplemike said:
and make no mistake. Passover and Resurrection Sunday (Easter) are NOT the same thing.
ma'am.
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Yes I realize that. I strongly believe that the most important holiday for Christians is Resurrection Sunday. I don't have any issue with someone observing Passover (especially if they are of Jewish descent). I can see that even after the death of Christ that Jewish Christians might want to observe Passover in addition to celebrating his Resurrection, because Passover was the deliverance of the Jews from slavery. It has a historical and cultural significance. If you are going to observe the Passover though, it only makes sense that you'd also want to observe the resurrection of the Passover lamb. If anything, Resurrection Sunday should be even a bigger deal to messianic Jews.
 
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disciplemike said:
and make no mistake. Passover and Resurrection Sunday (Easter) are NOT the same thing.
ma'am.
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Correct.

We remember the Work of the Cross in the bread and the wine (no Jewish Feast required), and we remember Christ's Resurrection every Eighth Day \o/!

-JGIG
 
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