False teaching by separating Scripture from Scripture

[Journey_man]

You’re right that believers still sin, and you’re right that 1 John 3:9 and Romans 8:13 don’t teach perfection — but none of that proves sin is inevitable; the NT teaches that sin remains, not that sin must occur, and the break with sin’s dominion means the regenerate can obey in a way the unregenerate cannot; your model turns “ongoing battle” into “guaranteed defeat,” but Scripture frames it as remaining sin vs defeated sin, not “remaining sin vs inevitable sin”; the saved still fall, but they do not have to fall, because the Spirit makes real obedience genuinely possible.

I'm sure you would agree with the fact that every single human being since Adam, has sinned every single day of their lives, and there's is no way they/we can stop sining every single day of our lives.

I'm not suggesting that this is a good thing, to the contrary. I consider it a terrible reality, but it is the truth. You can duck and weave and dance around it, but it remains an ugly stain on humanity and it will remain until the end of time.

So, yes we all will sin every day for the rest of our lives. But those of us who are saved (Gods elect) can rejoice in the knowledge that all of our past, present and future sins are fully paid for by Christ so we won't be punished for them. That truly is good news for Gods elect.

 

[OMC]

I'm sure you would agree with the fact that every single human being since Adam, has sinned every single day of their lives, and there's is no way they/we can stop sining every single day of our lives.

I'm not suggesting that this is a good thing, to the contrary. I consider it a terrible reality, but it is the truth. You can duck and weave and dance around it, but it remains an ugly stain on humanity and it will remain until the end of time.

So, yes we all will sin every day for the rest of our lives. But those of us who are saved (Gods elect) can rejoice in the knowledge that all of our past, present and future sins are fully paid for by Christ so we won't be punished for them. That truly is good news for Gods elect.

Brother, the claim “every human sins every day and cannot stop sinning” is not what Scripture teaches about the regenerate.
It’s what your theological system teaches.
The Bible teaches universal sinfulness before regeneration, ongoing warfare after regeneration, and real Spirit‑produced victory in regeneration.
You’re treating the unregenerate condition as the permanent Christian condition, and the apostles never do that.

 

[Journey_man]

You keep repeating “saved by grace vs saved by works” as if the only two possible categories are
(1) monergistic justification and
(2) synergistic justification, but I’ve never argued synergistic justification —
I’ve argued Spirit‑produced sanctification, which Scripture treats as the result of salvation, not the condition of salvation.
When you say I’m “adding conditions,” you’re confusing the ground of salvation (Christ’s finished work) with the fruit of salvation (Spirit‑empowered obedience).
Romans 6 says the regenerate are freed from sin’s mastery;
Romans 8 says the regenerate put sin to death;
Titus 2 says grace trains us;
1 John says the regenerate do not continue in rebellion.
None of that is “finishing the job Jesus failed to finish.”
It’s the Bible’s doctrine of sanctification.
You’re collapsing justification and sanctification into one instantaneous event, then calling anything that happens afterward “conditions.”
But Scripture itself distinguishes them — justification is by grace alone, sanctification is the inevitable work of the Spirit, and rejecting that distinction doesn’t protect grace; it erases the very transformation the New Testament says God produces in every believer.

I keep repeating the "saved by grace" v "saved by works" because they are the only two options. You're attempting to add works to grace, in order to produce a hybrid salvation. But the bible never ever teaches this. You are just like those who believed that Christians should still practice Judaism. They also wanted to add works to grace to produce salvation.

You haven't found a single verse in the bible that supports your theory that salvation is achieved via a joint effort between a dead sinner and God. But the Bible says that a dead sinner can't contribute anything to his salvation. So you are rejecting Gods Word, in order to implement your unbiblical way of salvation.

 

[rewriter]

An observation that might resolve this issue, is being a sinner the result of making specific sinful actions or is it a statement about one's state of being. It would seem that if it is the result of making specific sinful acts then one can only be a forgiven sinner by being forgiven after making each specific act. But if being a sinner is the state of one's being, then a forgiven sinner remains a forgiven sinner even after continued sinful actions. Both states allow for contrition by the sinner for their sinful deeds, both allow the sinner to attempt to reduce their sinful acts, but one requires continual new forgiveness by God while the other recognizes that God's forgiveness is lasting.