First Thread: β˜•πŸ™‚πŸ‘πŸ“– Should the Bible Be the Text Book?

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SilverFox7

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hello, again, silly question, do you know your calling, what's your gifts, fast, and spent a lots of time with the holy spirit hes the one will give you revelation, he'll tell you, ok take care,
God opens a lot of paths for us. We can choose several routes to reach the ultimate goal of His eternal kingdom!

One indicator is peace. When I am following a right avenue in life (spiritual, personal, and/or professional), there is a peace that surpasses understanding. Follow your heart and intuition under the guidance of the Holy Spirit!
 

proutled

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God opens a lot of paths for us. We can choose several routes to reach the ultimate goal of His eternal kingdom!

One indicator is peace. When I am following a right avenue in life (spiritual, personal, and/or professional), there is a peace that surpasses understanding. Follow your heart and intuition under the guidance of the Holy Spirit!
Thats good, I think God wants to you to take a deeper step, with him, my sheep know my voice, you can here him, trust him, he wants fellowship, walk with him, in faith,
 

proutled

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Should the Bible be a text Book, John 1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God, he was in the beginning with God. 14 And the word became flesh,
 

I_am_Canadian

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Hi how are you, I have a Idea if your calling is to be in the ministry just get into prayer and ask God, he'll tell you, God bless,
Ive been rejected from every bible college I applied too, but I did get my ordination from Christian global Outreach ministry.
 

proutled

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Ive been rejected from every bible college I applied too, but I did get my ordination from Christian global Outreach ministry.[/QUOTE Thats great , ok. now you have to learn how to tune into Gods voice, when we walk and fellowship with Jesus,, he leads us in all truth, my sheep know my voice, and he's voice will always line up with the word, this is where he is bringing the body of Christ, remember we are in the first wave if revival, get ready for the next one. because now its all about change,
 

proutled

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God opens a lot of paths for us. We can choose several routes to reach the ultimate goal of His eternal kingdom!

One indicator is peace. When I am following a right avenue in life (spiritual, personal, and/or professional), there is a peace that surpasses understanding. Follow your heart and intuition under the guidance of the Holy Spirit!
Hi Silver Fox, ya I m kind of waiting on God, I know when doors close, there's a open door for me, just in his timing, so I'm staying in prayer, and staying in the word,
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Here's a link that I found while looking for a clear KJV Bible reading by Alexander Scourby.
There are others I found that were poorly transfered or had echoes. So far this sounds good. Bookmark it and share!
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KJV Audio Bible read by Alexander Scourby
I recently read somewhere about the use of the King James Bible's use of the pronouns "that and who". It doesn't matter where because I forget the thread. I just think it needs addressed for those who care to use the accurate translation.

The thing that readers should realize is that Grammer and language in general is constantly changing. There are far more rules of Grammer than there were 400 years ago. Many pastors want to bend the past to fit their 21st century perspective sometimes. This is mostly because they spend their time reading commentaries that are promoting and sales of their particular competing translation.

As to the proper use of the pronoun" that" when addressing a person.

Example: John 3:18

"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

verse 36
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

I'm not a Grammer teacher, but today we would say, "He who believes..." in these two cases. Is there much confusion as to the use of "that" here?

When I read the Bible, I look for context and usage elsewhere of the same words/ phrases to define the text. That usually clarified any questions. When words are used interchangeably in the English, this is often because the same is true in the Greek.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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It's also due to a lot of the pastors wanting the people to only understand the Bible through their teaching. The Catholic religion did this with the Bible until Erasmus and William Tyndale's works.
As to the proper use of the pronoun " that" when addressing a person, as opposed to "who", they were often used interchangeably.
 

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Good for you HealthAndHappiness!!! Check this out for a fine reference!! Jesus full of Holy Spirit ( Luke 4:1) goes through the temptations just like you are with the other books they suggest you read from!! Next Jesus in the POWER of Holy Spirit!! (Luke 4:14-19) and taught right from his own Word in Isaiah!

No better teacher then Jesus himself!! And you are following HIM, not man!! Stay alert brother!! For I see in the Spirit of our Jesus that you are about ready to be betrayed! Please keep me informed as to whether this is true or not. I hope not, but like you I have to follow our Lord!
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Good for you HealthAndHappiness!!! Check this out for a fine reference!! Jesus full of Holy Spirit ( Luke 4:1) goes through the temptations just like you are with the other books they suggest you read from!! Next Jesus in the POWER of Holy Spirit!! (Luke 4:14-19) and taught right from his own Word in Isaiah!

BOOM!
I love how He destroyed the tempter like that!


No better teacher then Jesus himself!! And you are following HIM, not man!! Stay alert brother!! For I see in the Spirit of our Jesus that you are about ready to be betrayed! Please keep me informed as to whether this is true or not. I hope not, but like you I have to follow our Lord!
Amen!
We are truly blessed to have Him teach us. Even though He sits on His throne, He and the Holy Spirit guide us into all truth.



Betrayed? Do you mean at church or here?
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Amen!
We are truly blessed to have Him teach us. Even though He sits on His throne, He and the Holy Spirit guide us into all truth.



Betrayed? Do you mean at church or here?
That already happened. One of the new pastoral staff was offered help in a ministry I already had prior experience in. He acted like he felt his job was threatened by the hard work, so he lied to the other staff, maligned me.

Things like that happen, but the Lord is good about taking care of them.

I had to wear ear plugs when going into the auditorium to protect my hearing: Had to draw the line when they required masks before entering the building.
 

brighthouse98

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Ah ic sorry to hear that brother! Have no idea why I got that?? Psalm 63 in your prayer closet say they out loud to the Lord and he will move on your behalf!! I was working in a store once and the manager and two other people knew I was a believer, and looked to get me out of the store, When I prayed the Lord gave this for me to speak out loud to him, within 3 days the manager got fired and the other two got moved to another store!!! The Lord will defend us brother!!!! Blessing to you!! Praise the Name of the Lord forever!!!
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Ah ic sorry to hear that brother! Have no idea why I got that?? Psalm 63 in your prayer closet say they out loud to the Lord and he will move on your behalf!! I was working in a store once and the manager and two other people knew I was a believer, and looked to get me out of the store, When I prayed the Lord gave this for me to speak out loud to him, within 3 days the manager got fired and the other two got moved to another store!!! The Lord will defend us brother!!!! Blessing to you!! Praise the Name of the Lord forever!!!
No worries.
I don't know of a perfect church. The pastor taught pretty good doctrine until he told us we shouldn't use Bible words like "saved". It might offend the lost . πŸ™„
Good grief.
Better to obey the Lord rather than men.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2
 

GRACE_ambassador

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It doesnt say anything about bible college or doctor of theology. It says to study to shew thyself approved, a workman who needeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth.
Kinda like the following below?
I m kind of waiting on God, I know when doors close, there's a open door for me, just in his timing, so I'm staying in prayer, and staying in the word,
In the meantime, while waiting, staying in The Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided?:

According to Rule # 2 in Bible study rules!:

God’s Approval/TWO Different gospels In prophecy And MYSTERY!
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Basic Distinctions of prophecy and Mystery (1)
More Distinctions of prophecy and Mystery (2)

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Bible Contrasts I
Bible Contrasts II

Please be Very Richly Encouraged, Edified, and Enlightened In
The LORD Jesus Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided!

Amen.

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Angela53510

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You know guys, I have tried applying for pastoral jobs, mostly because I see a need for improvement in churches. I have applied to bible colleges and been rejected because I dont have the qualifications they want.

It is discouraging, but I found a place online to obtain my ministers license. What I would like to do is find a job to persue the bachelor of ministry training my former pastor recommended through correspondence.

That course is about $80 to $100.00 Canadian once the fee and currencey exchange and taxes are included. I mean look at some of the heros of the faith. Joseph, he was a kid sold into slavery by his brothers. Went to prison based on false charges and eventually became second in command to Pharoh.

Moses, he wasnt an ellogent speaker, but he was willing to do Gods work and free the slaves from Egypt even though he killed a man and became a fugitive on the run.

King david, was a child when his ministry started, he killed the lion, the bear, then he killed Goliath in defence of his country. Eventually grew up to become a king.

I have a few good tools for studying, the Sword of the Lord software, a Strongs Greek and Hebrew referance book, I also have a membership at Christianbook.com, but ultimately the qualifications are for God to decide. Many are called but few are chose. It doesnt say anything about bible college or doctor of theology. It says to study to shew thyself approved, a workman who needeth not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. GIve attendance to doctrine, Ultimately its the pastors job to educate his flock. I would even argue that education is the churches jurisdiction and not the governments.

IF your in Canada we also have the Christian Heritage Party of Canada, which is devoted to defending Canadas biblical foundation. as well as the Canadian Christian Business Federation for Christian business owners.
What you are doing is getting a mail
Order degree. It is worth nothing! You need to go to an online seminary so you can continue to work & learn. I have my MDiv from the Canadian Southern Baptist Seminary & College in Cochrane, AB You may need to start at a college level. I cannot more highly recommend a place where you would become more prepared to serve God. It took me 7 years to finish my MDiv, but, I was so prepared. I was also asked to apply as a theology professor, but I was extremely unwell at the time, my RA meds were failing, and I was not reasonably going to finish my PhD degree on time. I do not regret the time I have spent working on my degrees. I rejoice in what I learned, including how to research & write papers, Greek & Hebrew, so many practical skills.

I guarantee you will Learn 1000 X more at a seminary that is Bible believing, than through a mail order degree mill. I am working on a PhD degree from BHCarroll in Texas, which also offers degrees at various levels. I am working on a PhD in Disability Theology. I might have to quit, because I just learned I am growing blind from Macular Degeneration. I'm still praying! I've been trained as a teacher, taught elementary school for many years, and did a work experience as a chaplain, which I lived, and continued to volunteer at for a year after, till I became more disabled than many of the patients!

Seminary teaches you so much more than you could ever learn yourself. It compresses wisdom & knowledge from many disciplines by many people. It gives you tools to counsel people, to preach, teach and care for God's people. You have access to models who are kind and experienced people, with high levels of degrees in accredited institutions. I loved my seminary, because they didn't teach you want to think, but how to learn to think. They didn't give you a bunch of rules, or doctrines, but made you dig them out of the Bible. They help model mature Christians. All my professors were former International Mission Board Missionaries, through the SBC, although that has changed. These people, including husbands & wives have given their lives to serve Christ and share the gospel. They are truly men & women of God you can learn from and trust. They are affiliated with the Southern Baptist tradition, they do not ordain women. But the seminary was so popular with such a high rating, that women preachers from other denominations came there. We had a woman Anglican priest, a woman pastor from the Chinese Alliance church. And yes, we all took courses like preaching together. I think that was harder on me than the men in the class. I'm in a Baptist denomination now that lets women preach & be ordained, and I do preach, although not since I had COVID in Jan of 2022. I'm finally recovering from that, and other illnesses that have come my way!

You have the time, but maybe not the money. Talk to the registrars. They are looking for people with a heart to serve God in many places. They will help you with finding jobs etc. Even Jesus prepared himself before he began his ministry. I assure you that you will never regret choosing to put yourself under mature, senior Christians who can lead & guide you. Online is a challenge, but its advantages are many, esp doing it in your own time, from wherever your live in Canada. There are Jan & May courses which are intensives, that you have to be on campus for. But it is a good opportunity to meet people & learn from staff & students. Feel free to contact me if you want to know more. Plus, my seminary left it to you to decide and defend your theology., Your ideas come out of the Bible, and what you read and learn. But be prepared to write lots of papers!! I've always loved writing papers! I know Lutheran students could do a directed course with a qualified Lutheran pastor. I don't know why they just didn't go to Saskatchewan, to the Lutheran Seminary there. We had Mennonite pastors, Reformed pastors, and even a charismatic who took courses yearly. That was a real learning experience for many of the seminary students!