Frankly speaking, I don't care.
As the only works ever written agaisnt were the works of the Law, I have done nothing to fit the anti-works profile.
Obedience REQUIRED
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As the only works ever written agaisnt were the works of the Law, I have done nothing to fit the anti-works profile.
Just keep praying that they will eventually open their eyes to the truth that can make them free. (John 8:32-34)
No, it doesn't.
By accepting all that God provided for my salvtion, I also accept the reponsibility for my actions.
Don't you accept responsibility for your actions ?
Oh, I see your perspective.
You don't equate faith with action.
I believe a man can remain true to God, by faith in Christ.
Doesn't that mean then, that sinners are not saved ?
We are then, in agreement.
God opened the door to salvtion, and the sinners have rejected it.
I am glad we are in agreement that the sinners are not of God.
Isn't our salvation dependent on accepting Christ ?
Isn't that choice ours to make ?
Not at all.
Christ in me is doing the work.
Like Paul in Gal2:20..."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
Christ made salvation available to you.
Didn't you accept it ?
That doesn't lessen what Jesus did at all.
It is conditional !
We have to accept Jesus as our Lord for our salvation to come to fruition.
God won't save those who don't want to be saved.
We must do our part too, in recognizing the Giver, as well as accepting the conditions of our salvation.
Those conditions ?
Love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength.
And love our neighbors as we love ourselvs.
I find it odd that you don't think that obeying God is necesary to be saved.
Define 'moral aspects of the Law', please.
Sure.
No, and in fact is the culmination of the Law.
Can't think of a thing.
I can't agree.
Why walk in a direction that is unachievable ?
How can a man walk in the light-God, and darkness-sin, at the same time ?
John is writing to the church about two very different kinds of walk and people.
I agree.
Then there are none who will be saved.
But I know that some folks walk in the light, and have had all theirpast sins washed away by the blood of Christ.
If they continue on in the light, they will be saved on the day of judgement.
Again, define moral aspect of the Law.
I am assuming you mean the ten commandments.
Define moral aspects of the Law, please.
Do you not belive that Jesus has the power to make us perfectly obedient ?
That is not salvation by the works of the Law that Paul wrote against.
Will we not be judged on the last day for our actions done on earth ?
You write as though we won't be.
Baptism is the means of the remission of sins.
Baptism is part and parcel of being converted.
Baptism is the means of sin's forgiveness.
Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is th means of sin's forgiveness.
Baptism was Peter's very next action.
This was the Jew's reponse to Peter's rehashing of the events at Cornelius' home.
Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins and repentance from sin would have been the next things spoken of to the believing folks at Antioch in Pisidia.
Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins wasn't the topic of Paul's oratory.
Forcing Gentiles to keep the Law was the topic...primarily, circumcion.
The mechanics of salvtion weren't the topic of Paul's defense before king Agrippa.
Not the works of the Law that Paul wrote against.
If a man wants to be saved, he is required to do certain things.
Initially, hearing and believing.
Holks will then either turn from sin and get baptized, or they will try to defnd their rebellion and leave.
Believers, yes.
Posers, no.
If you turn form sinning, you are a non-sinner.
Again I'm giving you another chance to know something important, the acceptance starts with the father first, I've diligently searched the scriptures over this, and scripture is clear on this. scripture is also clear the father seeks first.
All your doing is supporting Catholic doctrine in one way or another. And believe me when I say the catholics have found a thousand different reasons as to how you can be ex communicated from there faith and God over the centuries, one being you must perform works in order to have your grace increased.
With millions of cathlics and Catholicism being more supported than any other denomination, the dispute they cause to people outside of there faith is pretty much wide spread, and so far in this thread I have seen many of there arguments,
The best part is none of you are saying your Catholic, whilst quoting all there arguments.
It's ridiculous, also with baptism and confession of the holy spirit they believe that each person only gets a measure of grace, reason being a person can have sone element of unbelief in there heart or not be completely sincere with confession.
In there works of performance and merit some Catholics will curse anyone who believes other wise.
Many thanks to @amazingrace and @ScooterJackson for there Catholic doctrines
Scooter, let me give you a proper bike,
A Kawasaki now I may even give you a piggy back
Now listen scooter as you have an issue here with listening and being easily deflected, the discussion is not whether the father and son are one but whether your both interested in knowing something important, which will or may help you in your Dodgy scooter trails, I do hope @Freed18 is listening.
Now better still the truth can set you free.
Acceptance starts with the father first
Happy scooting
I find it odd that you think you can merit salvation through sinless, perfect obedience. (Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8-10)
The obedience that comes from faith (Romans 1:5) is the mark of genuine faith so no obedience at all would demonstrate no faith. Jesus Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption alone (Romans 3:24-26) and not based on the merits of our obedience/works. (Romans 4:2-6) Genuine faith produces obedience/works so obedience/works is necessary in the sense that it is the fruit of salvation and no fruit/works at all would demonstrate there is no root/faith. (James 2:14)The moral aspect of the law refers to divinely ordained standards that are universal and timeless, intended to guide human conduct in a way that aligns with God’s holiness and justice. Unlike ceremonial or civil laws, which were specific to Israel’s historical and cultural context, the moral law is rooted in God’s unchanging nature and applies to all people
Amen!
For the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. (Romans 13:8)
Thank you for making my point.
If it's achievable then why does the Bible say in Ecclesiastes 7:20 that there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins? If it's achievable then why does the Bible say ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God? (Romans 3:23) Also, if it's achievable, why does the Bible say, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us??? (1 John 1:8-10)
A man cannot walk in the light and darkness at the same time, as I already explained to you in post #333. Again, our walk is about location (in the light) and direction (walking in that direction) and not perfection.
No, you believe we are either sinners or saints based on sinless perfection or a lack of sinless perfection.
All believers will be saved. (John 3:18; Acts 13:38-39) The bad news: ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God and the wages of sin is death. The good news: BUT the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 3:23; 6:23) Not through sinless perfection. (1 John 1:8-10)
Is Jesus blood only good enough to wash away past sins only? Continuing to walk in the light is proof of genuine conversion.
Once again, the moral aspect of the law refers to divinely ordained standards that are universal and timeless, intended to guide human conduct in a way that aligns with God’s holiness and justice. Unlike ceremonial or civil laws, which were specific to Israel’s historical and cultural context, the moral law is rooted in God’s unchanging nature and applies to all people.
I already answered this question twice.
Jesus' power is not the problem. Our flesh is the problem. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
The 10 commandments are included in the law of Moses, so is that a yes to my question? You believe that you will be saved based on the merits of perfectly obeying the ten commandments? Are you really that delusional?
Believers will be judged according to their works in order to determine rewards and loss of rewards. 1 Corinthians 3:11 - For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
Unbelievers will be judged, condemned and cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15) Instead of rewards there will only be condemnation for unbelievers and for some greater condemnation. Matthew 23:14 - Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore, you will receive greater condemnation.
I do understand
Grace is from the greek Charis, from where we get our word Charity.''
Charity is a bad word to most people. How dare you think I need charity. its why they reject grace. because in reality that is what it is.
we must become poor in spirit.. If we think we can in some part do something to gain Gods favor. qwe will never recieve Cherity (grace)
alot of it today comes from Anti Calvinist or Anti reformed Stance.
they feel OSAS is a Calvinist doctrine. so they must defeat it at all cost.
you replace works of the law with your own works.
your incuring debt not grace.
turn to God. become poor in spirit. be like the tax collector. reject the phariseeic doctrine you hold on to.
Freed18,
No. It is a free gift given by God to His elect children. Nothing is required from them; everything is given to them, and that's what makes salvation by His grace alone. Jesus Christ is the Savior—man is not.
@ScooterJackson
A friendly bit of advice
A neighbour of mine who has a scooter, seemed a sensible lad, and always wore his helmet every time he went out, and he always came back safely. Or so we thought.
Until we noticed him riding a electric trials bike not an ebike or his scooter without a helmet on,
We discovered the neighbour he was borrowing another kids bike of was modding it's performance without adequate brakes, so much so this electric trial bike could reach 80 mph. To much performance I thought when I saw it.
We started to see what we thought was a sensible neighbour, not only riding up and down the street without a helmet on and crashing into garden fences, becoz be couldn't brake in time, he was passing the bike on to teenagers who had no experience and started pulling wheelies,.
Well one day one kid almost broke his back which a kid of s good friend of mine.
So I decide to try and talk to the once sensible, or so I thought lad, to see why he was behaving like a numpty, it turned out he was on med and smoking cannabis.
So I thought the best thing I could do was speak to the parents, of the kid who almost broke his back,
I can assure you they where not happy after I showed them the video evidence.
Anyhoo I just thought I would mention it because if you dont start being truly obedient you to will have a father in heaven who will keep wondering when are you going to see sense
A friendly bit of advice
A neighbour of mine who has a scooter, seemed a sensible lad, and always wore his helmet every time he went out, and he always came back safely. Or so we thought.
Until we noticed him riding a electric trials bike not an ebike or his scooter without a helmet on,
We discovered the neighbour he was borrowing another kids bike of was modding it's performance without adequate brakes, so much so this electric trial bike could reach 80 mph. To much performance I thought when I saw it.
We started to see what we thought was a sensible neighbour, not only riding up and down the street without a helmet on and crashing into garden fences, becoz be couldn't brake in time, he was passing the bike on to teenagers who had no experience and started pulling wheelies,.
Well one day one kid almost broke his back which a kid of s good friend of mine.
So I decide to try and talk to the once sensible, or so I thought lad, to see why he was behaving like a numpty, it turned out he was on med and smoking cannabis.
So I thought the best thing I could do was speak to the parents, of the kid who almost broke his back,
I can assure you they where not happy after I showed them the video evidence.
Anyhoo I just thought I would mention it because if you dont start being truly obedient you to will have a father in heaven who will keep wondering when are you going to see sense
Not according to scripture: What happened to baptism below?
Luke 24:47 - and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.
Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.
Repentance and faith are two sides to the same coin. Where you have one you must have the other. Where only one is mentioned the other is implied or assumed. Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ
Not according to scripture. Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?
Christ's death, burial and resurrection is the means of sin's forgiveness and faith in Christ is the instrumental means by which we receive that forgiveness. (Romans 3:24-26)
Repentance is the instrumental means (faith implied or assumed) of sin's forgiveness. (Acts 3:19; 5:31; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 26:18)
Baptism is the very next action that follows believing and receiving the forgiveness of sins. (Acts 10:43-47)
When did the household of Cornelius receive the forgiveness of sins? Before or after baptism? The answer is obviously BEFORE. Acts 10:43 - To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
Repentance is unto the remission of sins. You need to read Acts 2:38 alongside of (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31). *Hermeneutics.
You seem to be obsessed with water baptism and the ceremonial aspect of the law.
You are full of excuses with no solutions.
Not works in general including the moral aspect of the law (Romans 4:2-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) that Paul wrote against as the basis or means of obtaining salvation.
Merely initially? So, Christ merely initially saves us through believing then we must do the rest because His finished work of redemption is IN-sufficient to save believers? (Romans 3:24-26) Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed.
Romans 10:17 - So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Acts 10:43 - All the prophets testify of Him, that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.
Repentance does not mean sinless perfection. Salvation by sinless perfection + baptism is a false gospel.
Posers, as in those who believe in themselves, in their performance/works for salvation instead of believing in Christ for salvation?
1 John 1:8-10.
There will be a growing number of supporters of that I can imagine, it's mainly the Catholics who truly hate Calvin's beliefs, and a none works based religion tho,
The whole thing is madness and out of control but with so many drama queens around who think they can be better than you, and all that jazz, when ever a bit of drama comes along, they spring up from every where, behaving like gay people with there knickers in a twist.
They need to learn to be quiet and study and listen to to good sound advice from there elders, but I just wish they would all shut up
(1 John 1:8-10)
For those who are anti-OSAS and particularly, those who seem to be suffering from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome, Calvinism does seem to be their boogeyman.