The point would be that we do work, which you seem to agree with. I do not support the idea of the non-working Christian and I don't believe that God does either. I suppose this verse isn't encouraging works either: [SUP]17 [/SUP]Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,[SUP]19 [/SUP]storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed(1 Timothy 6:17-19) I am glad that grace isn't being pushed down, but at the same time I don't want the beginners to think that God doesn't want something from us. Jesus saved us so that we can do His work, not so that we can be ungrateful.
SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!
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if you understood this simple scripture you wouldn't be asking such questions.
1 John 1:7-9
English Standard Version (ESV)
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:7-9
English Standard Version (ESV)
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS! is the topic.
it did not say, believe in god, it says first believe in jesus. his son, then the rest will be added. to see, how god loves you.( a gift from jesus to all)
john 3. 16 god so loved the world, the world that he gave his one and only son,that who ever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
parables are the secret to the kingdom of heaven. that's why jesus only spoke to the crowd with parables. never explaining them, to the crowd. (so that would mean your using also the logus) the former explains john 3.16. so we have to believe in jesus to get eternal life. and if the holy spirit is a guarantee. to our belief in jesus. so we agree here.
however this gift is eternal and sealed, signed and delivered to the believer, they except jesus as lord, saviour, etc
so salvation only possible wjth believing in jesus Christ. no works required.
it did not say, believe in god, it says first believe in jesus. his son, then the rest will be added. to see, how god loves you.( a gift from jesus to all)
john 3. 16 god so loved the world, the world that he gave his one and only son,that who ever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
parables are the secret to the kingdom of heaven. that's why jesus only spoke to the crowd with parables. never explaining them, to the crowd. (so that would mean your using also the logus) the former explains john 3.16. so we have to believe in jesus to get eternal life. and if the holy spirit is a guarantee. to our belief in jesus. so we agree here.
however this gift is eternal and sealed, signed and delivered to the believer, they except jesus as lord, saviour, etc
so salvation only possible wjth believing in jesus Christ. no works required.
No biggie and I was being facetious as I do not believe you can loose it nor gain it by works....if you will read all my posts I have made clear that a saved child of God will serve God and do what is required..my biblical point is simply that eternal salvation stands apart from all human work or effort as it is the faith of Jesus that saves us and causes our spirit to be BORN OF GOD and OUR spirit born of God cannot sin, does not sin and is secure in Christ for all eternity!
How about that is the truth of the verse bro and I have it correctly interpreted....
???? Gecko....can you do anything that will ever change the fact of your biological birth by your parents?
????Gecko...can you do things that make your parents mad and for a time...maybe your whole life go without speaking because of what you had done to make them mad?
????Gecko...Did the fact of your biological birth change during the above descriptive questions?
SO is our SPIRITUAL BIRTH....
WE have a SPIRIT BORN OF GOD that does not sin, cannot sin and is eternally sealed in Christ....AT THE SAME TIME we are temporarily HOUSED in a SINFUL< FALLEN< CORRUPT<WICKED body that MUST BE DESTROYED AND OR REMADE.....
WE can SIN and fire up our FATHER who gets MAD and our FELLOWSHIP IS BROKEN and YET we are still SONS and DAUGHTERS which can NEVER CHANGE.....
HE IS faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us so we can BE IN THE LIGHT WHERE HE IS....!
???? Gecko....can you do anything that will ever change the fact of your biological birth by your parents?
????Gecko...can you do things that make your parents mad and for a time...maybe your whole life go without speaking because of what you had done to make them mad?
????Gecko...Did the fact of your biological birth change during the above descriptive questions?
SO is our SPIRITUAL BIRTH....
WE have a SPIRIT BORN OF GOD that does not sin, cannot sin and is eternally sealed in Christ....AT THE SAME TIME we are temporarily HOUSED in a SINFUL< FALLEN< CORRUPT<WICKED body that MUST BE DESTROYED AND OR REMADE.....
WE can SIN and fire up our FATHER who gets MAD and our FELLOWSHIP IS BROKEN and YET we are still SONS and DAUGHTERS which can NEVER CHANGE.....
HE IS faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us so we can BE IN THE LIGHT WHERE HE IS....!
I won't be able to reply to all of your post as there's too much to cover with amount of time I have available.
I see things differently concerning Job. The bible says our righteousness is not our own, and Job was righteous in his own eyes because of his works. Do you think God gave Job a chewing in the end because he was without sin?
Paul's mistake was to ask God to take care of the devil. God told us to take care of the nasty critter, not ask Him to do it for us.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Was Paul exercising his authority over the spirit? No.
Job's suffering was a sickness or disease, that is one type of suffering that we shouldn't have to go through, because Jesus bore that on the cross for us, but the saints in Hebrews suffered through persecution. Jesus didn't bare that on the cross for us.
Galations is talking about obtaining righteousness through faith and not via the law. I believe you are correct ma'am, and that I used it incorrectly. Thanks. It's not about the law of sin but the law of death, because without the righteousness of Christ in us, we all would perish.
Certainly. He disciplines and chastens His children because of their sin, not because of their upright walk. But since I used Galations incorrectly, I'm going to have to let this part go.
Speaking of going, I will finish the bottom half of your post another time. Sorry, but I have to go for now.
I see things differently concerning Job. The bible says our righteousness is not our own, and Job was righteous in his own eyes because of his works. Do you think God gave Job a chewing in the end because he was without sin?
Paul's mistake was to ask God to take care of the devil. God told us to take care of the nasty critter, not ask Him to do it for us.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Was Paul exercising his authority over the spirit? No.
Job's suffering was a sickness or disease, that is one type of suffering that we shouldn't have to go through, because Jesus bore that on the cross for us, but the saints in Hebrews suffered through persecution. Jesus didn't bare that on the cross for us.
Galations is talking about obtaining righteousness through faith and not via the law. I believe you are correct ma'am, and that I used it incorrectly. Thanks. It's not about the law of sin but the law of death, because without the righteousness of Christ in us, we all would perish.
Certainly. He disciplines and chastens His children because of their sin, not because of their upright walk. But since I used Galations incorrectly, I'm going to have to let this part go.
Speaking of going, I will finish the bottom half of your post another time. Sorry, but I have to go for now.
Remember, it is God who said Job was righteous.
God addressed Job for thinking that God owed him an explanation, and for questioning God's
justice in afflicting him.
And, incidentally, God never told Job why he put him through all that.
Are you thinking of Paul's personal affliction here?
I'm talking about Jesus telling Ananias in Ac that He would show Paul how much he must suffer,
which we find catalogued in Cor.
As Job was greatly afflicted by Satan according to the will of God,
so Paul was greatly persecuted and afflicted by his own brethren the Jews,
according to the will of God spoken to Ananias in Ac.
However, his snake bite in Ac did him no harm, causing the observers to think he was a god.
Didn't he also lose all his family and possessions?
I don't think I know to what you are referring.
Are you saying that NT believers are saved from physical ailments?
Have you considered Timothy, who had a stomach ailment?
Didn't Paul likewise suffer through much persecution?
Jesus' work on the cross was to pay the penalty for our sin.
Are you saying Jesus' suffering was to redeem believers from physical ailments?
If I may clarify a little more. . .
The law of sin and the law of death are Ro 6:23: "The wages of sin is death."
However, the curse of the law (Ro 3:10), which is the law of Moses, to which Paul refers in Gal 3:13,
is the curse of the Mosaic law, for imperfect obedience (Dt 27:26).
Okay. . .was good to hear from you.
God addressed Job for thinking that God owed him an explanation, and for questioning God's
justice in afflicting him.
And, incidentally, God never told Job why he put him through all that.
Are you thinking of Paul's personal affliction here?
I'm talking about Jesus telling Ananias in Ac that He would show Paul how much he must suffer,
which we find catalogued in Cor.
As Job was greatly afflicted by Satan according to the will of God,
so Paul was greatly persecuted and afflicted by his own brethren the Jews,
according to the will of God spoken to Ananias in Ac.
However, his snake bite in Ac did him no harm, causing the observers to think he was a god.
Didn't he also lose all his family and possessions?
I don't think I know to what you are referring.
Are you saying that NT believers are saved from physical ailments?
Have you considered Timothy, who had a stomach ailment?
Didn't Paul likewise suffer through much persecution?
Jesus' work on the cross was to pay the penalty for our sin.
Are you saying Jesus' suffering was to redeem believers from physical ailments?
If I may clarify a little more. . .
The law of sin and the law of death are Ro 6:23: "The wages of sin is death."
However, the curse of the law (Ro 3:10), which is the law of Moses, to which Paul refers in Gal 3:13,
is the curse of the Mosaic law, for imperfect obedience (Dt 27:26).
Okay. . .was good to hear from you.
J
There seems to be much controversy over the "faith vs. works" topic, and I would like to offer a solution to it. Obviously, it centers around the comments of Paul versus the comments of James on the topic. Paul was speaking of the "works" of the ritual law (circumcision and such) which were being promoted as necessary to salvation by some members of James' congregation (Acts 15). The "law" from which Jesus freed us, and which Paul disparaged in his epistles is merely the Levitical ordinal law which was added at Sinai (Exodus 1-7 - see 7:37-38). Hebrews chapters 7-10 give a full explanation of this. James did not seem to grasp Paul's intent, and so this controversy is a product of mistaken context, and Peter saw this problem in his day (2 Peter 3:14-17). It apparently has still not been resolved.
We are still liable for the requirements of the Ten Commandments, and the related statutes (Matt. 19:16-19, 1 Cor. 7:19, 1 John 2:1-6), and while even the moral law cannot save us, it can condemn us if we deliberately violate it (Hebrews 10:26-31). Your faith will be displayed in your "works". If your works are righteous (in keeping of His Commandments), then that displays your faith. If your works are religious, with the belief that rituals can make you righteous, you have fallen from grace.
PS - The Commandment should read "Thou shalt not MURDER".
We are still liable for the requirements of the Ten Commandments, and the related statutes (Matt. 19:16-19, 1 Cor. 7:19, 1 John 2:1-6), and while even the moral law cannot save us, it can condemn us if we deliberately violate it (Hebrews 10:26-31). Your faith will be displayed in your "works". If your works are righteous (in keeping of His Commandments), then that displays your faith. If your works are religious, with the belief that rituals can make you righteous, you have fallen from grace.
PS - The Commandment should read "Thou shalt not MURDER".
Actually, Hebrews reveals that the law was set aside because it was weak and useless to make righteous (Heb 7:18-19).
That is referring to the whole Mosaic law, not just the ordination law.
And the ordination law is not the only law given at Sinai.
Hebrews reveals that in fulfillment of Ps 110:4, God changed the priesthood from the order of Aaron to the order of Melchizedek, making Jesus its new eternal, ever-lasting High Priest (Heb 7:11).
The change in priesthood made it necessary to change the law (Heb 7:12),
which was based on the Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:11).
And changing the law, setting it aside (Heb 7:18-19), made the Mosaic covenant obsolete (Heb 8:13)
because it was based on the law.
So there have been major changes made from the OT to the NT; i.e.,
the Levitical priesthood has been replaced (Heb 7:11),
the law has been changed (Heb 7:12) and set aside (Heb 7:18-19), and
the Mosaic covenant has been made obsolete (Heb 8:13).
Yes, it is a product of mistaken context by the readers of the NT, not by its writers.
James was not addressing the setting aside of the Mosaic law.
He was addressing the nature of faith, whether it is belief alone, or belief + obedience.
You omitted Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8, 9, 10; Jas 2:8.
And the law with its curse for imperfect obedience (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10) is no longer operative.
It has nothing to do with those in Christ.
Those in Christ are under the law of Christ (1Co 9:20-21; Gal 6:2), which is the law of love (Mt 22:37-39) and
which fulfills the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13: 8, 9, 10), making it unnecessary to practice it.
Those in Christ are saved by faith, which faith then obeys Christ's commands, which is the sanctification process.
That is referring to the whole Mosaic law, not just the ordination law.
And the ordination law is not the only law given at Sinai.
Hebrews reveals that in fulfillment of Ps 110:4, God changed the priesthood from the order of Aaron to the order of Melchizedek, making Jesus its new eternal, ever-lasting High Priest (Heb 7:11).
The change in priesthood made it necessary to change the law (Heb 7:12),
which was based on the Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:11).
And changing the law, setting it aside (Heb 7:18-19), made the Mosaic covenant obsolete (Heb 8:13)
because it was based on the law.
So there have been major changes made from the OT to the NT; i.e.,
the Levitical priesthood has been replaced (Heb 7:11),
the law has been changed (Heb 7:12) and set aside (Heb 7:18-19), and
the Mosaic covenant has been made obsolete (Heb 8:13).
Yes, it is a product of mistaken context by the readers of the NT, not by its writers.
James was not addressing the setting aside of the Mosaic law.
He was addressing the nature of faith, whether it is belief alone, or belief + obedience.
You omitted Mt 22:40; Ro 13:8, 9, 10; Jas 2:8.
And the law with its curse for imperfect obedience (Dt 27:26; Gal 3:10) is no longer operative.
It has nothing to do with those in Christ.
Those in Christ are under the law of Christ (1Co 9:20-21; Gal 6:2), which is the law of love (Mt 22:37-39) and
which fulfills the whole law (Mt 22:40; Ro 13: 8, 9, 10), making it unnecessary to practice it.
Those in Christ are saved by faith, which faith then obeys Christ's commands, which is the sanctification process.
[h=3]Romans 2:3-12[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?(WE have a SPIRIT BORN OF GOD that does not sin, cannot sin and is eternally sealed in Christ....AT THE SAME TIME we are temporarily HOUSED in a SINFUL< FALLEN< CORRUPT<WICKED body that MUST BE DESTROYED AND OR REMADE.....)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who will render to every man according to his deeds
WE can SIN and fire up our FATHER who gets MAD and our FELLOWSHIP IS BROKEN and YET we are still SONS and DAUGHTERS which can NEVER CHANGE.....)
[SUP]
7 [/SUP]To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For there is no respect of persons with God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[h=3]1 John 3:14-16[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
[h=3]1 John 2:24-26[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning.If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
[h=3]1 Timothy 6:16-20[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?(WE have a SPIRIT BORN OF GOD that does not sin, cannot sin and is eternally sealed in Christ....AT THE SAME TIME we are temporarily HOUSED in a SINFUL< FALLEN< CORRUPT<WICKED body that MUST BE DESTROYED AND OR REMADE.....)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who will render to every man according to his deeds
WE can SIN and fire up our FATHER who gets MAD and our FELLOWSHIP IS BROKEN and YET we are still SONS and DAUGHTERS which can NEVER CHANGE.....)[SUP]
7 [/SUP]To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For there is no respect of persons with God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[h=3]1 John 3:14-16[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
[h=3]1 John 2:24-26[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning.If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
[h=3]1 Timothy 6:16-20[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1 John 3:16
King James Version
Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
King James Version
Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
[h=3]Romans 2[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[h=3]God’s Righteous Judgment[/h]2 You, therefore, have no excuse,[SUP](A)[/SUP] you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.[SUP](B)[/SUP] [SUP]2 [/SUP]Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or do you show contempt for the riches[SUP](C)[/SUP] of his kindness,[SUP](D)[/SUP] forbearance[SUP](E)[/SUP] and patience,[SUP](F)[/SUP] not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?[SUP](G)[/SUP]
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath[SUP](H)[/SUP], when his righteous judgment[SUP](I)[/SUP] will be revealed. [SUP]6 [/SUP]God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[SUP][a][/SUP][SUP](J)[/SUP] [SUP]7 [/SUP]To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor[SUP](K)[/SUP] and immortality,[SUP](L)[/SUP] he will give eternal life.[SUP](M)[/SUP] [SUP]8 [/SUP]But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil,[SUP](N)[/SUP] there will be wrath and anger.[SUP](O)[/SUP] [SUP]9 [/SUP]There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil:[SUP](P)[/SUP] first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;[SUP](Q)[/SUP] [SUP]10[/SUP]but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.[SUP](R)[/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]For God does not show favoritism.[SUP](S)[/SUP]
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
How about that is the truth of the verse bro and I have it correctly interpreted....
???? Gecko....can you do anything that will ever change the fact of your biological birth by your parents?
????Gecko...can you do things that make your parents mad and for a time...maybe your whole life go without speaking because of what you had done to make them mad?
????Gecko...Did the fact of your biological birth change during the above descriptive questions?
SO is our SPIRITUAL BIRTH....
WE have a SPIRIT BORN OF GOD that does not sin, cannot sin and is eternally sealed in Christ....AT THE SAME TIME we are temporarily HOUSED in a SINFUL< FALLEN< CORRUPT<WICKED body that MUST BE DESTROYED AND OR REMADE.....
WE can SIN and fire up our FATHER who gets MAD and our FELLOWSHIP IS BROKEN and YET we are still SONS and DAUGHTERS which can NEVER CHANGE.....
HE IS faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us so we can BE IN THE LIGHT WHERE HE IS....!
[h=3]God’s Righteous Judgment[/h]2 You, therefore, have no excuse,[SUP](A)[/SUP] you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.[SUP](B)[/SUP] [SUP]2 [/SUP]Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. [SUP]3 [/SUP]So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or do you show contempt for the riches[SUP](C)[/SUP] of his kindness,[SUP](D)[/SUP] forbearance[SUP](E)[/SUP] and patience,[SUP](F)[/SUP] not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?[SUP](G)[/SUP]
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath[SUP](H)[/SUP], when his righteous judgment[SUP](I)[/SUP] will be revealed. [SUP]6 [/SUP]God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[SUP][a][/SUP][SUP](J)[/SUP] [SUP]7 [/SUP]To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor[SUP](K)[/SUP] and immortality,[SUP](L)[/SUP] he will give eternal life.[SUP](M)[/SUP] [SUP]8 [/SUP]But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil,[SUP](N)[/SUP] there will be wrath and anger.[SUP](O)[/SUP] [SUP]9 [/SUP]There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil:[SUP](P)[/SUP] first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;[SUP](Q)[/SUP] [SUP]10[/SUP]but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.[SUP](R)[/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]For God does not show favoritism.[SUP](S)[/SUP]
How about that is the truth of the verse bro and I have it correctly interpreted....
???? Gecko....can you do anything that will ever change the fact of your biological birth by your parents?
????Gecko...can you do things that make your parents mad and for a time...maybe your whole life go without speaking because of what you had done to make them mad?
????Gecko...Did the fact of your biological birth change during the above descriptive questions?
SO is our SPIRITUAL BIRTH....
WE have a SPIRIT BORN OF GOD that does not sin, cannot sin and is eternally sealed in Christ....AT THE SAME TIME we are temporarily HOUSED in a SINFUL< FALLEN< CORRUPT<WICKED body that MUST BE DESTROYED AND OR REMADE.....
WE can SIN and fire up our FATHER who gets MAD and our FELLOWSHIP IS BROKEN and YET we are still SONS and DAUGHTERS which can NEVER CHANGE.....
HE IS faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us so we can BE IN THE LIGHT WHERE HE IS....!
Romans 8:4 [SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.