Amillennialism

[Red33]

Grow up Red. Your temper tantrum over this eschatology stuff grows tiresome. The truth of the matter is, I wouldn't mind you being right about it all whatsoever. It'd sure save me and a few others here a ton of trouble. Would one be allowed to believe as you do concerning eschatology without believing in today's tongues ....... and modern day prophets and apostles as well ....... or is it a "package deal" (and no, I'm not asking for me)? This grace and meekness you speak of ....... what'd you do with it ?

If you are getting tiresome, make the decision and get on the right side of the scriptures. On that side you will have righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit and you won't ever have to deal wth being double-minded ever again. See how good that can be for you. Oh, I hope you do.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are you prepared to say that the mystery of Christ and the church, all doctrine that relates to Christ and the church as a living organism and body politic and the redemption that each believer has that makes up that body are non-salvific doctrines of the faith that do not matter? Do you believe that any doctrine of Christ that brings division instead of one faith is the will of God in the body of Christ? It is a good and respectful thing to have some believe in the pre-trib rapture of the church and others in the doctrine of amillennialism? Can you not see the fruit of that division? Would not others and those in unbelief see that as division and reject the very one we trust and profess to believe in? Is Christ divided on any doctrine of the faith (1Cor 1:10,13, 3:3)?

Should we be divided on the doctrine of the resurrections or the judgments and then profess the same Christ who is the author of every doctrine we have in scripture and in Him through the Holy Spirit? Does the same Spirit that we have reveal doctrine in one believer and contradict that doctrine in another? How could there ever be oneness in the body of Christ among its members as there is between the Father and the Son? Is it not the purpose of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit to make us one in Christ (Jn 17:21) and are we not to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace with one faith (Eph 4:3-6)?

So your telling me that belief in pre-millenial vs post mellinial (AKA Amillenial) is a salvic doctrine. and that only one group could possibly be saved? Why would a "pre" be saved and an "A" not be saved red? I don't see your point.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I dont think there will ever be unity in the body of Christ as far as the topic of eschatology is concerned. Amillenialism is just one of the many. There should be no division but there is. The problem lies in interpretation. Period.

It also lies in pride. No one wants to be wrong, So instead of agreeing to disagree. or comming together in areas we do agree on. We belittle the other group, and say they can not be from God.

It is exactly what Satan wants us to do. We fall right into his trap.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you are getting tiresome, make the decision and get on the right side of the scriptures. On that side you will have righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit and you won't ever have to deal wth being double-minded ever again. See how good that can be for you. Oh, I hope you do.

This only comes from Pride. I am right. Everyone who does not believe like I do is wrong. If you just believed as I did you would have peace. you would understand God you would "insert whatever the heck word fits"

The problem is EVERYONE believes this. We can't all be right. So instead of fighting like kids, why don't we just stick with scripture.

I understand where they say some aspects of dispensationalism is dangerous. That is not my problem with them. My problem is they do not see I agree with them there. But they assume I believe the dangerous doctrine just because I believe in dispensationalism. If we would just sit and put our thinking caps on. And everyone would stop being 'offended" and attacking everyone else. We could actually see what our differences are. and actually discuss things in a reasonable rational way.

Making attacks such as you are doing are not helping one iota. When you attack someone, they defend. When they defend. your not going to get any response other than negative.

I need to learn this more myself. We all do!

 

[shroom2]

This only comes from Pride. I am right. Everyone who does not believe like I do is wrong. If you just believed as I did you would have peace. you would understand God you would "insert whatever the heck word fits"

The problem is EVERYONE believes this. We can't all be right. So instead of fighting like kids, why don't we just stick with scripture.

I understand where they say some aspects of dispensationalism is dangerous. That is not my problem with them. My problem is they do not see I agree with them there. But they assume I believe the dangerous doctrine just because I believe in dispensationalism. If we would just sit and put our thinking caps on. And everyone would stop being 'offended" and attacking everyone else. We could actually see what our differences are. and actually discuss things in a reasonable rational way.

Making attacks such as you are doing are not helping one iota. When you attack someone, they defend. When they defend. your not going to get any response other than negative.

I need to learn this more myself. We all do!

too true.

"You need to read the scriptures and understand them just like me, which is obviously the right way, then we wouldn't argue. Can't you understand that???".

LOL.

 

[BlueLagoon]

too true.

"You need to read the scriptures and understand them just like me, which is obviously the right way, then we wouldn't argue. Can't you understand that???".

LOL.

That was good!

 

[Red33]

So your telling me that belief in pre-millenial vs post mellinial (AKA Amillenial) is a salvic doctrine. and that only one group could possibly be saved? Why would a "pre" be saved and an "A" not be saved red? I don't see your point.

You have given my post a premise that I never gave it and never considered the issue of being saved or not. The premise for the post is concerning doctrine and what we believe in Christ as one faith which includes all doctrine, even the doctrine of our salvation. Read it again and don't interject your own premise and maybe you will see it differently, but if you don't, that is your problem not mine.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

So your telling me that belief in pre-millenial vs post mellinial (AKA Amillenial) is a salvic doctrine. and that only one group could possibly be saved? Why would a "pre" be saved and an "A" not be saved red? I don't see your point.

Just a brief clarification...

Postmillennial and Amillennial aren't the same.

Postmillennial is Future Second Advent after Future Millennium.
Amillennial is Future Second Advent after Current Millennium.

Premillennial is Future Second Advent before Future Millennium.
Dispy Premillennial is Rapture before Future Second Advent before Future Millennium.

 

[Red33]

too true.

"You need to read the scriptures and understand them just like me, which is obviously the right way, then we wouldn't argue. Can't you understand that???".

LOL.

Answer this honestly and to the point. When Jesus called His (12) disciples did He teach them the same doctrine or did He teach each one separately something different? When He taught them all the same doctrine did He want them to think the same way concerning the doctrine He taught or did He want them to have their own way of thinking about what He taught them? Come on and answer it honestly and gnash your teeth if you must.

Were each of the disciples to believe something different as to who Jesus was or were they to believe that He was Christ, the Son of God, and we have not got to salvation yet because He had not gone to the cross and died. Jesus Christ was rejected and crucified because of the claims He made through His doctrine. Those that believed upon Him received His doctrine and those that did not believe rejected His doctrine. His doctrine was from the Father and when they rejected the Son they were rejecting the doctrine of the Father. Haven't you believers understood that yet? It is in your Bible in black and white and you do have the Spirit, RIGHT! Hello, is anyone there?

You accuse me of being proud when you can't even believe what Jesus taught! How ironic! I have all the verses of scripture, but if you are truly hungry you will seek them out and find them so that others won't have to give to you because they will be written on your heart. However, if you need those scriptures because you are hard up, I will gladly give them to you, so don't despair.

 

[shroom2]

Answer this honestly and to the point. When Jesus called His (12) disciples did He teach them the same doctrine or did He teach each one separately something different? When He taught them all the same doctrine did He want them to think the same way concerning the doctrine He taught or did He want them to have their own way of thinking about what He taught them? Come on and answer it honestly and gnash your teeth if you must.

Were each of the disciples to believe something different as to who Jesus was or were they to believe that He was Christ, the Son of God, and we have not got to salvation yet because He had not gone to the cross and died. Jesus Christ was rejected and crucified because of the claims He made through His doctrine. Those that believed upon Him received His doctrine and those that did not believe rejected His doctrine. His doctrine was from the Father and when they rejected the Son they were rejecting the doctrine of the Father. Haven't you believers understood that yet? It is in your Bible in black and white and you do have the Spirit, RIGHT! Hello, is anyone there?

You accuse me of being proud when you can't even believe what Jesus taught! How ironic! I have all the verses of scripture, but if you are truly hungry you will seek them out and find them so that others won't have to give to you because they will be written on your heart. However, if you need those scriptures because you are hard up, I will gladly give them to you, so don't despair.

Red.........

I was not accusing you of anything. My post was not directed at you. I agree with you that we should all speak and believe the same thing.

I was commenting on EGs post. All of us claim to go to scripture. You. Me. EG. Strangelove. 4runner. All of us. All of us are convinced our understanding of scripture is the right one. Obviously, we all cannot be right.

My post was an attempt at humor because of this conundrum we are in.

 

[BlueLagoon]

Red.........

I was not accusing you of anything. My post was not directed at you. I agree with you that we should all speak and believe the same thing.

I was commenting on EGs post. All of us claim to go to scripture. You. Me. EG. Strangelove. Even 4runner. All of us. All of us are convinced our understanding of scripture is the right one. Obviously, we all cannot be right.

My post was an attempt at humor because of this conundrum we are in.

And I always hear its the women that can't keep quiet, nice to see a bunch of men go at each other (pun intended of course)
btw..where are all the women? I need support..lol

 

[Strangelove]

Huh??
Every true believer had a beginning of being born again. We are born again by believing in Christ. And by Repentence. God is near the brokenhearted and saves those who have a contrite spirit.

Oh you asked when I was SAVED.

You mean born again? Oh that was about 4 years ago.

For further clarification see the Predestination thread or PM.

 

[unclefester]

]You have given my post a premise that I never gave it[/FONT] and never considered the issue of being saved or not. The premise for the post is concerning doctrine and what we believe in Christ as one faith which includes all doctrine, even the doctrine of our salvation. Read it again and don't interject your own premise and maybe you will see it differently, but if you don't, that is your problem not mine.

I would kindly ask the same courtesy of you that you ask of others Red. Re-read what you just said to me a few posts back :

If you are getting tiresome, make the decision and get on the right side of the scriptures. On that side you will have righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit and you won't ever have to deal wth being double-minded ever again. See how good that can be for you. Oh, I hope you do.

There's no double-mindedness here Red. And ironically, or sadly, ....take your pick .......if I were one insecure in my belief (double-minded) and was seeking further understanding, your assumption or sarcasm..... .......or both would immediately lead me to disregard any of your counsel. Whatever happened to you man ??

 

[Strangelove]

If you are getting tiresome, make the decision and get on the right side of the scriptures. On that side you will have righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit and you won't ever have to deal wth being double-minded ever again. See how good that can be for you. Oh, I hope you do.

He tried your side of the scriptures Redster. He obviously didnt feel at peace with it.

And I dont blame him.

Premil is false.

If it wasnt someone would be able to answer post #342.

 

[BlueLagoon]

Oh you asked when I was SAVED.

You mean born again? Oh that was about 4 years ago.

For further clarification see the Predestination thread or PM.

You know exactly what i meant right up front.
Thanks for the answer.

 

[Strangelove]

Red.........

I was not accusing you of anything. My post was not directed at you. I agree with you that we should all speak and believe the same thing.

I was commenting on EGs post. All of us claim to go to scripture. You. Me. EG. Strangelove. 4runner. All of us. All of us are convinced our understanding of scripture is the right one. Obviously, we all cannot be right.

My post was an attempt at humor because of this conundrum we are in.

It's not a conundrum.

We debate it out and the one that says something like.

"I'm through dealing with you, Strangelove. It's an exercise in futility. Claim victory if you want."

...is undoubtably the one with error in their theology coz they have no answers.

 

[BlueLagoon]

It's not a conundrum.

We debate it out and the one that says something like.

"I'm through dealing with you, Strangelove. It's an exercise in futility. Claim victory if you want."

...is undoubtably the one with error in their theology coz they have no answers.

No they are just done dealing with rude people

 

[Strangelove]

No they are just done dealing with rude people

Sure.

Would you like to have a go at post #342?

 

[unclefester]

He tried your side of the scriptures Redster. He obviously didnt feel at peace with it

And I dont blame him.

Premil is false.

If it wasnt someone would be able to answer post #342.

Exactly Doc. I'm not sure if I know any amil/cessationists that weren't initially pre-mil/dispy's ......unless they were raised in it ? Not in my circle anyways. In any event, the 'double-minded" remark was unfair and unwarranted. If it was intended to belittle ........ well ,......I'll let that speak for itself. I am confident in whom and what I believe.

 

[BlueLagoon]

Seeing that the post is directed to premills with a bunch of scripture verses let me clarify that im not premill. And im not sure exactly what you are asking in there. Clarify maybe and i will let you know where i stand. For the time being i am going outside to do some weeding. Ttyl. Btw.. I am also not amillen. But that doesnt mean i am going to argue my point.