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women ca be leaders:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Judges 5:6-7, “In the days of Shamgar, the son of Anath, in the days of Ya‛ĕl, the highways were deserted, and the travellers went in crooked ways. Leadership ceased, it ceased in Yisra'yl, until I, Deḇorah, arose – a mother in Yisra’yl arose.”
speak the words directly from the mouth of YHWH:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Joel 2:28-29, “And after this it shall be that I pour out My Spirit on all flesh. And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men dream dreams, your young men see visions. And also on the male servants and on the female servants I shall pour out My Spirit in those days.”[/FONT]
These are all female prophets;
Micah 6:4, "for I brought you up from the land of Mitsrayim, and I ransomed you from the house of bondage. And I sent Mosheh, Aharon, and Miryam before you."
Judges 4:4, "And Deḇorah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappiḏoth, was ruling Yisra’ĕl at that time."
2 Kings 22:14, "Then Ḥilqiyahu the priest, and Aḥiqam, and Aḵbor, and Shaphan, and Asayah went to Ḥuldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum son of Tiqwah, son of Ḥarḥas, keeper of the wardrobe. Now she was dwelling in Yerushalayim in the Second Quarter. And they spoke with her.
Nehemiah 6:14, "My Elohim, remember Toḇiyah and Sanballat, according to these works of theirs, and the prophetess No‛aḏyah and the rest of the prophets who would have made me afraid."
Isaiah 8:3, "And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. And יהוה said to me, “Call his name Mahĕr-Shalal-Ḥash-Baz;"
Luke 2:36, "And there was Ḥannah, a prophetess, a daughter of Penu’ĕl, of the tribe of Ashĕr. She was advanced in years, and had lived with a husband seven years from her maidenhood,"
Acts 21:8-9, "And on the next day we left and came to Caesarea, and went into the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. Now this one had four maiden daughters who prophesied."
Acts 18:24-26, “And a certain Yehuḏi named Apollos, born at Alexandria, a learned man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesos. This one had been instructed in the way of the Master. And being fervent in spirit, he was speaking and teaching the matters about the Master exactly, though he knew only the immersion of Yoḥanan. And he began to speak boldly in the congregation. And when Aqulas and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of the Mighty One more exactly."
Yet Paul says “it is improper for women to speak in an assembly” So how were these women able to speak prophecies of Yah? Some say because it wasn’t in a church. However they can speak prophecies to some of the most important people of Yah on earth? And what makes an assembly or church? Is it a 501c3 agreement with a government? Or is it of Yah? Seems Yah allowed these women to speak His words. Directly. Prophets speak the words of YHWH directly sent from Him. Preachers read based on the written word.
1 Corinthians 14:34, “Let your women be silent in the assemblies, for they are not allowed to speak, but let them subject themselves, as the Law also says*. and if they wish to learn whatever, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it is improper for women to speak in an assembly.”
*Except the Law does not say that.
People look to this verse, however it say nothing about women not speaking in a congregation;
Genesis 3:16, “To the woman He said, “I greatly increase your sorrow and your conception – bring forth children in pain. And your desire is for your husband, and he does rule over you.”
looks like Paul is making his own law just as the pharisees did, ohh wait Paul was a phaisee
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Judges 5:6-7, “In the days of Shamgar, the son of Anath, in the days of Ya‛ĕl, the highways were deserted, and the travellers went in crooked ways. Leadership ceased, it ceased in Yisra'yl, until I, Deḇorah, arose – a mother in Yisra’yl arose.”
speak the words directly from the mouth of YHWH:
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Joel 2:28-29, “And after this it shall be that I pour out My Spirit on all flesh. And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men dream dreams, your young men see visions. And also on the male servants and on the female servants I shall pour out My Spirit in those days.”[/FONT]
These are all female prophets;
Micah 6:4, "for I brought you up from the land of Mitsrayim, and I ransomed you from the house of bondage. And I sent Mosheh, Aharon, and Miryam before you."
Judges 4:4, "And Deḇorah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappiḏoth, was ruling Yisra’ĕl at that time."
2 Kings 22:14, "Then Ḥilqiyahu the priest, and Aḥiqam, and Aḵbor, and Shaphan, and Asayah went to Ḥuldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum son of Tiqwah, son of Ḥarḥas, keeper of the wardrobe. Now she was dwelling in Yerushalayim in the Second Quarter. And they spoke with her.
Nehemiah 6:14, "My Elohim, remember Toḇiyah and Sanballat, according to these works of theirs, and the prophetess No‛aḏyah and the rest of the prophets who would have made me afraid."
Isaiah 8:3, "And I went to the prophetess, and she conceived and bore a son. And יהוה said to me, “Call his name Mahĕr-Shalal-Ḥash-Baz;"
Luke 2:36, "And there was Ḥannah, a prophetess, a daughter of Penu’ĕl, of the tribe of Ashĕr. She was advanced in years, and had lived with a husband seven years from her maidenhood,"
Acts 21:8-9, "And on the next day we left and came to Caesarea, and went into the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. Now this one had four maiden daughters who prophesied."
Acts 18:24-26, “And a certain Yehuḏi named Apollos, born at Alexandria, a learned man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesos. This one had been instructed in the way of the Master. And being fervent in spirit, he was speaking and teaching the matters about the Master exactly, though he knew only the immersion of Yoḥanan. And he began to speak boldly in the congregation. And when Aqulas and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of the Mighty One more exactly."
Yet Paul says “it is improper for women to speak in an assembly” So how were these women able to speak prophecies of Yah? Some say because it wasn’t in a church. However they can speak prophecies to some of the most important people of Yah on earth? And what makes an assembly or church? Is it a 501c3 agreement with a government? Or is it of Yah? Seems Yah allowed these women to speak His words. Directly. Prophets speak the words of YHWH directly sent from Him. Preachers read based on the written word.
1 Corinthians 14:34, “Let your women be silent in the assemblies, for they are not allowed to speak, but let them subject themselves, as the Law also says*. and if they wish to learn whatever, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it is improper for women to speak in an assembly.”
*Except the Law does not say that.
People look to this verse, however it say nothing about women not speaking in a congregation;
Genesis 3:16, “To the woman He said, “I greatly increase your sorrow and your conception – bring forth children in pain. And your desire is for your husband, and he does rule over you.”
looks like Paul is making his own law just as the pharisees did, ohh wait Paul was a phaisee
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New International Version - Mat 23:2-3, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]King James Bible - Mat 23:2-3, "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah - Mat 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and their ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Takanot: rabbinical reforms or enactments that falsely change or add to YHWH's Law.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Philippians 3:5, “Having been circumcised on the eighth day, I am of the nation of Israel, from the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews. As far as the Law is concerned, I was a Pharisee.”
looks like some habits die hard....
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]King James Bible - Mat 23:2-3, "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah - Mat 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and their ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Takanot: rabbinical reforms or enactments that falsely change or add to YHWH's Law.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Philippians 3:5, “Having been circumcised on the eighth day, I am of the nation of Israel, from the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews. As far as the Law is concerned, I was a Pharisee.”
looks like some habits die hard....
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[h=3]1 Timothy Chapter 2[/h]
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
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Many people on here have absolutely no intention of learning anything or following God's word. Many are simply defiant, stuck in their own worldly opinions and completely unwilling to change. Place the scripture right before their very eyes and it means absolutely nothing to them. Yet, somehow they go on pretending to be a Christian. Very sad.
Not everyone is at the same spiritual level, people are in various stages. I don't really think that people are stuck in their opinions or unwilling to change, it's just that they are not being led to understand or absorb all the scripture thrown at them. Perhaps the Holy Spirit is working on them on something even more important than whether or not a woman is allowed to preach. If some are defiant it might be because they don't want someone to tell them what they should be learning but rely on the Holy Spirit to lead them in the Word. It's not really sad, it's just the way it is. If they have a learned opinion on the topic in this thread and it is contrary to what others believe than they are criticized and ridiculed. That's really what's sad.
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Everyone is welcome to have their own view of what's going on. My view is that when you place verses right in front of someone and they blatantly refuse to accept them, then they are not even trying to improve themselves under God's commands. It is a well known fact that we "all" are sinners. There is no question about that. We cannot go by "everything" that God says no matter how hard that we try. However, when individuals completely ignore scripture in favor of their own earthly ideas, that is a clear indication to me that they are not even "trying" to improve. And furthermore, when scripture is handed out that is not any person telling another what to do. When they are given the actual word of God, it is He that is telling them how to improve their lives. Many people will not even "try" to do better anymore. They show no "desire" to help themselves. Instead of admitting some mistake they may be making, they are very quick to attack the messenger of God's word, bury their heads into the sand and try their best to forget about what they are doing wrong. It is one thing to be a sinner, we all are that. But it is much worse to be totally unwilling to even "try" to become a better person by listening to what scripture has to say and at least "trying" to go by it.
The Word says we are the righteousness of God in Christ. You may call yourself a sinner if you wish but God disagrees with you.
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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So, are you now in belief that you are no longer a sinner ? That somehow now you are perfect and in need of no forgiveness ? Do you actually believe that you no longer sin ? If so, then I believe someone or some church has lied to you. You are still a sinner, only that if you believe in Christ then you have forgiveness for those sins.
ECCLESIASTES 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
1 John 1:8-10 [SUP]8[/SUP]If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9[/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. [SUP]10[/SUP]If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
ECCLESIASTES 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.
1 John 1:8-10 [SUP]8[/SUP]If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9[/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. [SUP]10[/SUP]If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
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Do you know what a "feel good" church is Snookman ? It is a church more concerned with making one "feel good" rather than telling them the whole truth. Many churches are like this today in an effort to boost their attendance. If you believe you no longer sin, then you are likely being taught by one of these churches. May I ask approximately how many members your church has ? Or do you even attend a church ?
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Please show me where I called you any names or waged any personal attack upon you ? Somehow you are quite confused. Surely you don't believe me saying you are a sinner is waging any personal attack upon you. We all are sinners. That is simply repeating to you what the Bible has clearly said.
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It should be no surprise that those in favor of abortion are so full of hate. It is currently the most massive abomination of the Lord taking place on this earth. It amazes me how anyone can support such an atrocity and claim to have any compassion for human life whatsoever. I believe only the most selfish of people could support such a thing, as they cannot be thinking of the innocent children at all.