Are Women Not Allowed to Preach in Every Case?

[Brandnewday]

These types of threads are generally a high entertainment venue. The thing is, you have the same thread topic with the peeps keep saying the same things. I have yet to see someone actually change their mind either way.

By that measure couldn't you say the same thing about any topic under discussion in a religious forum where religious beliefs are discussed? But isn't that what you all are about here? By the looks of it and reading a lot of the discussions in this board alone, that seems to be what's up. Someone posts their point of view about something in the bible and far too often using really bad English. And in come all people who are of a different opinion by and large. Few are there saying, yes, that's how I see it too! Instead, you all are about defending what you think and in the process tell others that what they think is wrong.

There's one discussion in this board that I couldn't believe from reading the outside description. You all have argued in that particular discussion for YEARS! YEARS! And tallied thousands of pages? And what's the issue? Works!
Besides that bit of irony being a mile deep, working for over something like five years give or take, to make the point that words don't save you.
Here's an add on to that one. If works don't save you, if what you do as a Christian in the name of Christ don't have a thing to do with your salvation, why is it that God tells you that when you stand before his judgment part of what he judges as to your representation as one of his is your works?

How about this one when this topic you all say is a repeat. Why don't you all let God call whomever he will to do his will? And those of you who in many different discussions here , ironically enough again, will judge someone for judging because judgment is wrong, stop judging what you think God will do when it comes to women, and instead just live with what you say you believe God says in his own book. Where it tells you God has called and will call women to prophecy, and to teach the good news.

If any one of you here in this discussion that argues women can't teach the gospel has ever once told someone in a different discussion, they are not to judge this or that, because that is God's providence, you're all hypocrites! Because not only are you judging women in this discussion, you're judging God for calling them, contrary to what you approve. And you'll damn well twist his words in some scriptures in order to make your point.

Do you actually believe you'll answer to God for any of this?

 

[tourist]

By that measure couldn't you say the same thing about any topic under discussion in a religious forum where religious beliefs are discussed? But isn't that what you all are about here? By the looks of it and reading a lot of the discussions in this board alone, that seems to be what's up. Someone posts their point of view about something in the bible and far too often using really bad English. And in come all people who are of a different opinion by and large. Few are there saying, yes, that's how I see it too! Instead, you all are about defending what you think and in the process tell others that what they think is wrong.

There's one discussion in this board that I couldn't believe from reading the outside description. You all have argued in that particular discussion for YEARS! YEARS! And tallied thousands of pages? And what's the issue? Works!
Besides that bit of irony being a mile deep, working for over something like five years give or take, to make the point that words don't save you.
Here's an add on to that one. If works don't save you, if what you do as a Christian in the name of Christ don't have a thing to do with your salvation, why is it that God tells you that when you stand before his judgment part of what he judges as to your representation as one of his is your works?

How about this one when this topic you all say is a repeat. Why don't you all let God call whomever he will to do his will? And those of you who in many different discussions here , ironically enough again, will judge someone for judging because judgment is wrong, stop judging what you think God will do when it comes to women, and instead just live with what you say you believe God says in his own book. Where it tells you God has called and will call women to prophecy, and to teach the good news.

If any one of you here in this discussion that argues women can't teach the gospel has ever once told someone in a different discussion, they are not to judge this or that, because that is God's providence, you're all hypocrites! Because not only are you judging women in this discussion, you're judging God for calling them, contrary to what you approve. And you'll damn well twist his words in some scriptures in order to make your point.

Do you actually believe you'll answer to God for any of this?

I was referring to the threads with the topic 'that women can't preach or hold positions of authority' and was not at all referring to the Not By Works thread which I rarely post in.

Regarding works, the bible says that faith without works is a dead faith. The works in themselves do not save but they are a manifestation of salvation and repentance. Salvation is only made possible by the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for contritely confessed sins. Repentance is only made possible by allowing the Holy Spirit to comfort and guide you in the life-long repentance process.

 

[Brandnewday]

I was referring to the threads with the topic 'that women can't preach or hold positions of authority' and was not at all referring to the Not By Works thread which I rarely post in.

Regarding works, the bible says that faith without works is a dead faith. The works in themselves do not save but they are a manifestation of salvation and repentance. Salvation is only made possible by the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for contritely confessed sins. Repentance is only made possible by allowing the Holy Spirit to comfort and guide you in the life-long repentance process.

I read what you were referring to. My remarks didn't put you having any say in the works discussion. As I made clear in my post, I made the observation about that discussion.

Now that you've expounded on the works discussion, answer this. If works has nothing to do with salvation why is there a reward variance at the judgment for those who do many great works, and also as pertains to those who do little to none?
And if duties as a Christian has nothing to do with that Christian and their salvation why are there divine laws you have to discover and obey? Why can't you just do what the scripture tells you. Those who call on the name of Christ shall be saved. And be done? If works has no currency in the faith.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

And you sure can't claim Paul forbid women to preach when two women, Priscilla and Aquila did a better job of making people understand the way of God more accurately than Paul.

Aquila and Pricilla were husband and wife. Not two women.

Acts 18:2
...a certain Jew named Aquila...with his wife Pricilla.

As for the rest of your emotionally charged writing:

The word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it (Jeremiah 6:10).

 

[Brandnewday]

Aquila and Pricilla were husband and wife. Not two women.

Acts 18:2
...a certain Jew named Aquila...with his wife Pricilla.

As for the rest of your emotionally charged writing:

The word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it (Jeremiah 6:10).

Aquila was also the eagle that carried Zeus' thunderbolts.

Husband and wife. That's even better. Man and woman taught the good news more clearly to be understood by the people than did Paul.

Emotionally charged? You must have never read the bible. Jesus makes me look tame. I make no apologies for my emotions. Someone else called it some kind of rant. Again, just more proof that you all can't even be civil to one another when you're discussing the words of the God you worship. And you're defending your belief in what they say using that lack of tact.
Righteous? No.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

Aquila was also the eagle that carried Zeus' thunderbolts.

Now that is an area where I can’t debate. I know nothing about Zeus and eagles carrying Aquila.

Cheer up! God is the judge alone and we shouldn’t wish a harsh judgment on anyone. God bless!

 

[Brandnewday]

Now that is an area where I can’t debate. I know nothing about Zeus and eagles carrying Aquila.

Cheer up! God is the judge alone and we shouldn’t wish a harsh judgment on anyone. God bless!

I am almost always of good cheer. Thanks. Same to you.

 

[Micaiah-imla]

You must have never read the bible. Jesus makes me look tame.

I have, and continue, to read the Bible.

Jesus was definitely harsh on the Pharisees, that’s for sure!

 

[Brandnewday]

I have, and continue, to read the Bible.

Jesus was definitely harsh on the Pharisees, that’s for sure!

Jesus said when you saw him you saw God. The Pharisee's had it easy compared to the other people emotional God destroyed. Sodom was no cake walk.

 

[MattforJesus]

I think we need to circumvent what preaching is first. If what we mean by preaching is an every week Sunday service message in a church, then that is understandably not permissible by the bible.

I believe woman can preach depending on the circumstance. If only what we mean by preach is giving the message of the gospel to a group which may or may not include men. If a woman from the Medieval era is about to be killed by hanging by a bunch of pagans, I believe before she dies, she has the right to give the people (men, women, and children) killing her the message of Christ and therefore preach the gospel. This audience could be, in fact, a group of brainwashed Christians (Catholics killing Protestants, or Protestants killing Catholics). These are just extreme examples but nevertheless possible and justifiable.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

This is the authority structure of God on earth concerning His Church.

1Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

There is no difference between a man and a woman in the Lord for they are equal for the only thing that separates a man from a woman is the flesh and the spirit and soul are the same, and in the kingdom of God they put off the flesh and the glorified body is the same, and the kingdom of God is within them by the Spirit.

Women are equal to a man, even a man at the Church.

1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

But when the saints come together to hear the word of God, and worship God it should be a man to take the lead according to the authority structure of God on earth.

And when he is done speaking, and having the floor then he will turn it over to the saints and they can contribute to the service for they can collectively understand more and be edified more than having a preacher alone, and the woman can contribute at this time for they are equal to a man.

The Bible says that a women shall be silent in Church, and not to usurp authority over a man but it does not say that she cannot consider herself equal to the man, but the preacher is in charge so she should be quiet when he is speaking for if she speaks she might disrupt him, and those around her, which is wrong for the preacher is in charge and has the floor.

But they must of had a problem in that Church of women speaking when the preacher was speaking, for when the preacher is speaking the men must be quiet also, which the Bible says if they have a question then to address it at home and not bother the husband at Church, for then she is speaking and then he is speaking to talk to her and they are disrupting the service.

A woman can preach, teach, give testimonies, and do everything a man can do, for they are to preach to the lost, and tell them about Jesus even to the lost men, and can have Bible studies at their home and can teach men.

But in the Church it should be a man to take the lead, and be in charge, but if he wants for a woman to come up and speak it should be alright for she is not trying to have authority above him but it was permitted and the preacher still in charge.

Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

And we can learn as much from a woman as a man, and the preacher does not get more knowledge from God than a pew sitter in the back row, for anybody that asks God for wisdom He gives them wisdom liberally, and does not hold back wisdom from anybody, and the Spirit will teach us the word of God, and show us the truth.

And how can the woman be silent in Church for can they not sing, and worship the Lord, and give testimonies, and talk to the other Church members before the Church starts, but of course they can, and after the preacher is done having the floor then all the saints can contribute to the service for a man and a woman are equal in the Lord.

So when the saints come together as a Church setting to hear the word of God, and worship the Lord, it should be a man to take the lead according to the authority structure on earth.

Which angels are last in the authority structure of God on earth for people will have a higher position in heaven than that of the angels, who are ministering spirits to the saints, and the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints because of the exalted position it gives in heaven.

If a woman meets a man from the Church at the store he does not have authority above her, and she can speak about what she knows of the Bible all she wants to him, even if it is the preacher because it is not a setting of the saints coming together where he is in charge.

The woman should not usurp authority over the preacher at Church, but she is equal to all the men in that Church even the preacher, but he is in charge.

Like the military, and the government, and business, and the school system where they have an authority structure God has one too, and keeps the women and men from fighting over who should be in charge when the saints come together.

But what if the Church is all women then it would then alright for the woman to be in charge.

As long as they do not stick a sign on their Church that says no men allowed for then I think that would be wrong, lol.

 

[tourist]

Jesus said when you saw him you saw God. The Pharisee's had it easy compared to the other people emotional God destroyed. Sodom was no cake walk.

Gomorrah proved to be problematic as well.

 

[Brandnewday]

Gomorrah proved to be problematic as well.

Oh yeah, them. ;@)

 

[Brandnewday]

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

This is the authority structure of God on earth concerning His Church.

1Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

There is no difference between a man and a woman in the Lord for they are equal for the only thing that separates a man from a woman is the flesh and the spirit and soul are the same, and in the kingdom of God they put off the flesh and the glorified body is the same, and the kingdom of God is within them by the Spirit.

Women are equal to a man, even a man at the Church.

1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

But when the saints come together to hear the word of God, and worship God it should be a man to take the lead according to the authority structure of God on earth.

And when he is done speaking, and having the floor then he will turn it over to the saints and they can contribute to the service for they can collectively understand more and be edified more than having a preacher alone, and the woman can contribute at this time for they are equal to a man.

The Bible says that a women shall be silent in Church, and not to usurp authority over a man but it does not say that she cannot consider herself equal to the man, but the preacher is in charge so she should be quiet when he is speaking for if she speaks she might disrupt him, and those around her, which is wrong for the preacher is in charge and has the floor.

But they must of had a problem in that Church of women speaking when the preacher was speaking, for when the preacher is speaking the men must be quiet also, which the Bible says if they have a question then to address it at home and not bother the husband at Church, for then she is speaking and then he is speaking to talk to her and they are disrupting the service.

A woman can preach, teach, give testimonies, and do everything a man can do, for they are to preach to the lost, and tell them about Jesus even to the lost men, and can have Bible studies at their home and can teach men.

But in the Church it should be a man to take the lead, and be in charge, but if he wants for a woman to come up and speak it should be alright for she is not trying to have authority above him but it was permitted and the preacher still in charge.

Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

And we can learn as much from a woman as a man, and the preacher does not get more knowledge from God than a pew sitter in the back row, for anybody that asks God for wisdom He gives them wisdom liberally, and does not hold back wisdom from anybody, and the Spirit will teach us the word of God, and show us the truth.

And how can the woman be silent in Church for can they not sing, and worship the Lord, and give testimonies, and talk to the other Church members before the Church starts, but of course they can, and after the preacher is done having the floor then all the saints can contribute to the service for a man and a woman are equal in the Lord.

So when the saints come together as a Church setting to hear the word of God, and worship the Lord, it should be a man to take the lead according to the authority structure on earth.

Which angels are last in the authority structure of God on earth for people will have a higher position in heaven than that of the angels, who are ministering spirits to the saints, and the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints because of the exalted position it gives in heaven.

If a woman meets a man from the Church at the store he does not have authority above her, and she can speak about what she knows of the Bible all she wants to him, even if it is the preacher because it is not a setting of the saints coming together where he is in charge.

The woman should not usurp authority over the preacher at Church, but she is equal to all the men in that Church even the preacher, but he is in charge.

Like the military, and the government, and business, and the school system where they have an authority structure God has one too, and keeps the women and men from fighting over who should be in charge when the saints come together.

But what if the Church is all women then it would then alright for the woman to be in charge.

As long as they do not stick a sign on their Church that says no men allowed for then I think that would be wrong, lol.

There are women generals in the United States military. There are women who are CEO's of major fortune 500 companies. There are women who are of high rank in the police force in America.

When human institutions know women are able to command, why would God think them less? When sin entered this world through a man and a woman was a victim, does that say a man's intellect is superior?

 

[tourist]

The Bible makes it clear that at least married women may teach other men (Priscilla and her husband taught Apollos). There is no gray area there. Apollos was already smart to begin with, and was a great orator, but he needed help to clear up some details. This also shows that women may teach men the finer aspects of the gospel.

Wives teach their husbands things too. At least, that's been my experience thus far.

 

[NotmebutHim]

I don't believe that God forbids women to teach for any reason or under any circumstance. If that were the case, how would we have women who teach sound doctrine such as:

Alisa Childers
Doreen Virtue
Melissa Dougherty
Allie Beth Stuckey
Summer Jaeger

To me, the issue isn't whether a woman brings the Gospel, but if she usurps authority from a man or disrupts God's order in the process. That's the point that Paul was trying to drive home.

 

[Brandnewday]

Wives teach their husbands things too. At least, that's been my experience thus far.

It's a mutual thing don't you think? We learn from each other and that's what makes us strong together.
Of course this comes from a man who is now separated from his wife who left him, but the thought is still valid I think.

 

[Whispered]

They are LEGITIMATE INTERPRETATIONS. Take them or leave them.

Christians are expected to interpret the Bible. And rightly divide the Word of Truth (which I have done).

It is your view of women and their place in your church. It has not a thing to do with what God says, to be sure.

What you have done is contrary to what the scripture teaches on just two points. But not all I'm sure. The Acts of the Apostles chapter 10 Gentiles Hear the Good News
34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

Christ's Glory and the Prophetic Word
The Book of 2nd Peter chapter 1:16 For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son,[i] with whom I am well pleased,” 18 we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19 And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Whispered]

These types of threads are generally a high entertainment venue. The thing is, you have the same thread topic with the peeps keep saying the same things. I have yet to see someone actually change their mind either way.

I don't think the intention is to change minds in so much as it is to invite infighting.

 

[Whispered]

Actually, what was said was that Paul did not permit a woman to speak. It did not say that God does permit it. My perception is that Paul was offering his personal opinion of the role of women in teaching and holding positions of authority. He was speaking to a certain culture and the current traditions that existed at that time.

Obeying God's word does not save as no one is able to obey each and everyday in all situations and circumstances. The Gond News is that Jesus paid the price for our sins that we confess and the Holy Spirit will comfort and guide us in the life-long repentance process.

The bible did not tell men to keep their women silent in church but rather it was Paul saying it. Everything in the bible is accurately stated but not everything in the bible is a statement of truth. That is where wisdom and discernment come into play.

Paul praised women who were bringers of the Gospel in churches. That tells me the Saint Apostle Paul did not say women could not bring the Good News to people. When God is no respecter of persons how does anyone claim God does not permit women to preach? That would then be calling God a liar who changed his mind about one sex being He would have greater respect for men as pastors if He actually forbid women. Which He did not.

The private interpretations in this area are of none effect. Just as is the case for that interpretation that discounts anything remotely related to Jews or Judaism. It's seed is grounded in personal bias, not God. That's a sin. I would go so far as to say it is also likely qualified to be Blasphemy since the private interpretation puts Gods stamp on it.

 

[CS1]

I think we need to circumvent what preaching is first. If what we mean by preaching is an every week Sunday service message in a church, then that is understandably not permissible by the bible.

I believe woman can preach depending on the circumstance. If only what we mean by preach is giving the message of the gospel to a group which may or may not include men. If a woman from the Medieval era is about to be killed by hanging by a bunch of pagans, I believe before she dies, she has the right to give the people (men, women, and children) killing her the message of Christ and therefore preach the gospel. This audience could be, in fact, a group of brainwashed Christians (Catholics killing Protestants, or Protestants killing Catholics). These are just extreme examples but nevertheless possible and justifiable.

yes women can and do preach it is the office of Pastor that is the issue. Women can evangelize and hold the office of evangelist. They can teach the context who they teach is to be defined by the word of God.