baptism problem

[edward99]

been there done that

repent, forgiveness of sin and gift are 2nd person plural. these things were offered to everyone there

baptism was only commanded to those who recieved remission of sin, as they are both 3rd person singular (in other words, he gave this command to only a select group of people. NOT all of them. as he did when he gave the command to repent )

you can; make a doctrine out of one verse. to many other passages tell us all we need to do is believe and we will have eternal life (be born again), or call out on the name of the lord to be saved.

Like I told your buddy, If you want to earn your salvation by doing works. feel free.

As for me, I received the GIFT God offered me based on his son, not on any work of righteousness I did.

All Christians should desire; long to; look forward to; request to be; obey and be baptized. PERIOD. < - see that big period?

Why anyone would get contentious and blow smoke over baptism is beyond me.

But you're the guy who thinks Jesus isn't King; Daniel 9 is about some devil and the jews will accomplish what Jesus did on Calvary.

Don't call me buddy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All Christians should desire; long to; look forward to; request to be; obey and be baptized. PERIOD. < - see that big period?

Notice what you said. ALL CHRISTIANS. It is assumed they are already saved. And Yes I agree, they all should. they would be in sin if they did not obey Gods command, But that is NOT what is in question here is it?

Why anyone would get contentious and blow smoke over baptism is beyond me.

You sound just like the jews who probably said the same thing when paul condemned their circumcision as a prerequisite for salvation. You know. God commanded that also.

But you're the guy who thinks Jesus isn't King; Daniel 9 is about some devil and the jews will accomplish what Jesus did on Calvary.

Ah now we get to the heart of things. Your angry over what I believe in other areas. so your fighting just to fight. Sorry you take things so personal.

Don't call me buddy.

Wow, you like to stick your foot in your mouth don;t you?

I said. LIKE I TOLD YOUR BUDDY, and since you never read much of what I say, you again made a huge mistake and said I said something I did not.

Let me guess. you wont fess up to this mistake either will you?

I bet you believe one can lose salvation don;t you? Since you obviously want to work to earn it. I bet you believe in more works than just baptism!

 

[edward99]

Notice what you said. ALL CHRISTIANS. It is assumed they are already saved. And Yes I agree, they all should. they would be in sin if they did not obey Gods command, But that is NOT what is in question here is it?
You sound just like the jews who probably said the same thing when paul condemned their circumcision as a prerequisite for salvation. You know. God commanded that also.

Ah now we get to the heart of things. Your angry over what I believe in other areas. so your fighting just to fight. Sorry you take things so personal.

Wow, you like to stick your foot in your mouth don;t you?

I said. LIKE I TOLD YOUR BUDDY, and since you never read much of what I say, you again made a huge mistake and said I said something I did not.

Let me guess. you wont fess up to this mistake either will you?

I bet you believe one can lose salvation don;t you? Since you obviously want to work to earn it. I bet you believe in more works than just baptism!

Angry? LOL. Why would I be angry? Your false doctrine is your problem, not mine.

Ya, I didn't see the "your buddy" part. I do skim your posts pretty much. So much evasion and crowing, it gets tiresome.

But if you want to return to the other threads you on which you claim I made mistakes, please do. I notice you went away. You were saying:

Matthew 2:15
He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."

...is NOT about Jesus, if I recall.

Goodnight buddy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Angry? LOL. Why would I be angry? Your false doctrine is your problem, not mine.

Ya, I didn't see the "your buddy" part. I do skim your posts pretty much. So much evasion and crowing, it gets tiresome.

But if you want to return to the other threads you on which you claim I made mistakes, please do. I notice you went away. You were saying:

Matthew 2:15
He remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."

...is NOT about Jesus, if I recall.

Goodnight buddy.

lol. Thats what I thought.



I hope you donlt expect your other buddies who believe as you do with daniel and matthew to come to your rescue this time. They believe in the same gospel I do. Salvation by faith because of grace. Not by some work of man.

Like I said, if you want to earn your salvation, feel free. don;t let me stop you. But you will get a rude awakening one day when you stand in front of God with all your works. Your probably not gonna like what he says.

 

[edward99]

You sound just like the jews who probably said the same thing when paul condemned their circumcision as a prerequisite for salvation. You know. God commanded that also.

Did Jesus command baptism or didn't He?



_____ YES



_____ NO




Why do you kick against the goads, eternallygrateful?
Why do you even remotely sow doubt about the command to be baptized?
Playing all fast and loose with it, nearing scorn, even. It's awful.

(and you compare people's awe for and love of the command to be baptized to the damnable heresy of the Judaizers?)

Eh.

 

[edward99]

lol. Thats what I thought.

I hope you donlt expect your other buddies who believe as you do with daniel and matthew to come to your rescue this time. They believe in the same gospel I do. Salvation by faith because of grace. Not by some work of man.

Like I said, if you want to earn your salvation, feel free. don;t let me stop you. But you will get a rude awakening one day when you stand in front of God with all your works. Your probably not gonna like what he says.

What are you on about now, man?
Go back to the OP.
The kid was excited about and looking forward to baptism.
You jumped in and started railing about it being "a work"

You're also the guy who says he worked up his own faith. So spare me the religious charade.
Just about everything I've seen from you is false.

REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED.

You got a problem with what Jesus said?

 

[JaumeJ]

What are you on about now, man?
Go back to the OP.
The kid was excited about and looking forward to baptism.
You jumped in and started railing about it being "a work"

You're also the guy who says he worked up his own faith. So spare me the religious charade.
Just about everything I've seen from you is false.

REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED.

You got a problem with what Jesus said?

Yeshua was baptized in order to fulfill all righteousness. It was a duty for Him. As imitators of the Savior it is ours also. It is not work by any means, not laborious work anyway. When we "do good" we should not expect reward for it is our DUE. So it is with being baptized. In case anyone is wondering, even though doing good is our due and we should do good without expecting reward, we will receive reward from Yahweh on the day appointed, so do not despair ever of keeping up the good fight, amen.

 

[nathan3]

What I have been taught is that, Baptism is a personal thing, between you and God, and its a public declaration ,that you believe in Christ and God all the Bible. It's a big deal.
But its a personal thing, between you and God.


If you can't find a Church to do the full water submersion baptism as Christ did, then get a Christian friend , and have him baptize you in Christ name. I'm not sure how to do it myself. All that is needed as far as I know, is to believe in Christ and everything He did for us. If your a christian, you repented of your sins, then go for it. its important. Every one falls short, them we repent again.Anyway. you and a friend go to a pool or go down to the river. And have him/her baptize you In all the names just to cover all basses. and State that you believe in Christ name, then be baptized. And maybe you want to take some witnesses there with you, but your friend doing it should be enough.

But baptism , when you are at that age you know what it means fully, and you are at that age . And you have that faith. you believe. And you have some one ells that dose as well, then they can baptize you. I'm not sure, if the one doing the baptism has to be baptized . But then once he/she dose it to you, then you can do it to them.

 

[xino]

@nathan3

yes you are right man.

my question...can one baptise himself?



@edward99
please explain why joining an assembly/church is more important than me trying out different churches?

 

[JaumeJ]

@nathan3

yes you are right man.

my question...can one baptise himself?



@edward99
please explain why joining an assembly/church is more important than me trying out different churches?

You know, Xino, I think many of us have wondered about this one, including yours truly, but the Example is Yeshua, Jesus, who allowed John to baptize Him in order to fulfill all righteousness, and even Jesus was obedient to the end. So, although it sounds nice, still to me too, it is best to have a trusted brother or sister do the job. That job is also your giving another a very good work to add to yours, amen. Your questions are heart-warming.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did Jesus command baptism or didn't He?



_____ YES



_____ NO




Why do you kick against the goads, eternallygrateful?
Why do you even remotely sow doubt about the command to be baptized?
Playing all fast and loose with it, nearing scorn, even. It's awful.

(and you compare people's awe for and love of the command to be baptized to the damnable heresy of the Judaizers?)

Eh.

This is why no one can discuss anything with you. Can you show me where i am dissing, or telling anyone NOT to be baptized?? I would love to see this. so lets put up where your condemning and prove your false accusations against

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What are you on about now, man?
Go back to the OP.
The kid was excited about and looking forward to baptism.
You jumped in and started railing about it being "a work"

You're also the guy who says he worked up his own faith. So spare me the religious charade.
Just about everything I've seen from you is false.

REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED.

You got a problem with what Jesus said?

and here we go again.

Go back to the op. The kid was railing about churches who take baptism out of context and make it something it is not. I agreed with him, and he agreed with me..(in the beginning)

it was not till later when people tried to make this a work required for salvation that the discussion got a little heated.

now should we try again?

while your at it. could you do us all a favor and show the post where I praised someone who just God baptized and told him how blessed I will be.

man if you can't read properly, and all you want to do is make false accusations. you prove all you want to do is fight and argue. maybe you need to search and find some humility before you start posting stuff. Your hurting the people who believe like you!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

@nathan3

yes you are right man.

my question...can one baptise himself?



@edward99
please explain why joining an assembly/church is more important than me trying out different churches?

Baptism is not supposed to be a private thing. It is supposed to be you being shown to whoever is there as a child of God, your baptism is your witness, and the one baptising you is your witness off proof.

Remember, Your not just commanded to be baptised, but they are commanded to baptise you.

As for churches. find one which will well equip you to do the churches function. Which is "go into the world" to many churches are me churches. It should not be what can the church do for me and my stuff. but how can the church equip me to do what God wants me to do.

 

[greatblue]

What if somebody is believing in the Mormon god or the JW god...some other christ?
What if the one about to baptize hasn't understood what the other believes?

Did I not say "believers"? And it was in context of what JaumeJ had said. He appears to be a right man of God!

 

[edward99]

Did I not say "believers"? And it was in context of what JaumeJ had said. He appears to be a right man of God!

How many people in the world today identify as "believers"?
Do they all believe in the Real Christ?
Clearly not.

 

[xino]

@JaumeJ
thanks man


@eternally-gratefull
so is that what the church teaches are meant for? teach to go into the world and talk about the gospel before being baptised?

 

[nathan3]

No, you need some one to baptize you. Its a public declaration. So there has to be some one there. I thought I was clear. Christ was baptized by some one ells.

Luke 3:21-22 (King James Version)

21 Now when all the people were baptized , it came to pass , that Jesus also being baptized , and praying , the heaven was opened , 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said , Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased ..


John 1:
29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. 32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.





Acts 8:36-38
(KJV)
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.


Just a few places speaking about baptism , and how another believer is required to do it.

 

[A-Omega]

Did Jesus command baptism or didn't He?



_____ YES



_____ NO




Why do you kick against the goads, eternallygrateful?
Why do you even remotely sow doubt about the command to be baptized?
Playing all fast and loose with it, nearing scorn, even. It's awful.

(and you compare people's awe for and love of the command to be baptized to the damnable heresy of the Judaizers?)

Eh.

He sure didn't teach it to the thief on the cross.

 

[A-Omega]

And BTW - Does anyone on here believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?

 

[nathan3]

And BTW - Does anyone on here believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Off topic. Start a new thread .