Contradiction of WORDS

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Funny thing...If you act like Jesus they can't call you a hypocrite :)
Wanna' bet?

They have their own non-Biblical notions of Jesus by which they measure others.
 
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Wanna' bet?

They have their own non-Biblical notions of Jesus by which they measure others.
Know what...I didn't think of that. I'll just act like Jesus would want me too. :)
 
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​Of course Jesus is not responsible for your actions. We alone are each responsible for our actions. :)
No doubt as every idle word shall be accounted for and our very works will be put to a fiery test....any gold, silver and precious stones will be because of the Lord through us by the most Holy Spirit dwelling in us and leading us, guiding us and enlightening us for sure....!

It is all Jesus and we are nothing for sure, but a servant only doing the things we have been commanded to do!
 
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If you're asking if I believe once God births one into eternal everlasting life,

God may take that eternal everlasting life away from him, my answer is no.

I don't think Scripture teaches that God births again into eternal life the wrong people,
so that he has to unbirth them out of eternal life again.
No doubt.....God's grace outruns (much more abounds) our sin and one who trusts into Christ biblically can be whipped (chastisement) for sin, but will never and can never loose that which has been born of God as it is eternal.....most fail to understand this for sure......!
 
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No doubt.....God's grace outruns (much more abounds) our sin and one who trusts into Christ biblically can be whipped (chastisement) for sin, but will never and can never loose that which has been born of God as it is eternal.....most fail to understand this for sure......!
It's not that they fail to understand....they refuse to understand. Same goes with a lot of other things people on here refuse to understand.

When you read the Word of God with a preconceived idea well...that's what you get. Proverbs 3:5,6 was given to us for a reason but many would rather use their "own understanding".

You know it's easier to make the Word of God say what you want when you have your mind already made up as to what is says.
 
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It's not that they fail to understand....they refuse to understand. Same goes with a lot of other things people on here refuse to understand.

When you read the Word of God with a preconceived idea well...that's what you get. Proverbs 3:5,6 was given to us for a reason but many would rather use their "own understanding".

You know it's easier to make the Word of God say what you want when you have your mind already made up as to what is says.

I agree for sure or take a few scriptures out of context and hang them on a particular belief for sure......!
 
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I agree for sure or take a few scriptures out of context and hang them on a particular belief for sure......!
What's funny is that every person who does that will talk themselves into a contradiction. They will then refuse to acknowledge or answer for it.
 
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What's funny is that every person who does that will talk themselves into a contradiction. They will then refuse to acknowledge or answer for it.
Yeah now doubt for sure as we have seen many a time......and then they do the twist with what you say while arguing an English translated or transliterated word over the inspired Greek and or Hebrew definition.
 

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I totally agree for sure......and it also is a direct contradiction of scripture for sure!
is it not just a debate of Calvinist or with those who are saved already? and if the bible says faith without works is dead where in that verse does it say saved by works? are we not saved by grace through faith a Gift from God. And once we are saved do we not do works unto the Lord because we are saved? or are we not to do anything for the Kingdom of God Jesus did say that the field was ripe for harvest but the workers are few?
 
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is it not just a debate of Calvinist or with those who are saved already? and if the bible says faith without works is dead where in that verse does it say saved by works? are we not saved by grace through faith a Gift from God. And once we are saved do we not do works unto the Lord because we are saved? or are we not to do anything for the Kingdom of God Jesus did say that the field was ripe for harvest but the workers are few?
can't you figure it out ?...where in the verse does it say saved by faith?.....it is by grace through faith .....The gospel was preached to us for the obedience of faith...

Romans 16:25-27King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

[SUP]27 [/SUP]To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
 
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is it not just a debate of Calvinist or with those who are saved already? and if the bible says faith without works is dead where in that verse does it say saved by works? are we not saved by grace through faith a Gift from God. And once we are saved do we not do works unto the Lord because we are saved? or are we not to do anything for the Kingdom of God Jesus did say that the field was ripe for harvest but the workers are few?
They know this well. . .and pretend not to understand it.
 
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can't you figure it out ?...where in the verse does it say saved by faith?.....it is by grace through faith .....
Everything is by grace, not just faith.

Grace is the basis of everything from God, including our obedience of faith,
and doesn't have to be repeated every time faith is mentioned.
 
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is it not just a debate of Calvinist or with those who are saved already? and if the bible says faith without works is dead where in that verse does it say saved by works? are we not saved by grace through faith a Gift from God. And once we are saved do we not do works unto the Lord because we are saved? or are we not to do anything for the Kingdom of God Jesus did say that the field was ripe for harvest but the workers are few?
Yes.....grace through faith is what saves....the simple act of faith.....

They take James out of context which is...How can a man see the invisible saving faith that we have inside...by the fruit (works) that we bear....Without a doubt, genuine saving faith will produce works, but works do not save and or are not added to faith for salvation....

They contend that faith plus works saves us and keeps us saved which is heresy...PAUL clearly teaches that this type of mentality produces a gospel of a different kind which has no power to save and is double cursed to hell....

Our salvation and justification are based entirely upon faith into the FAITH of Jesus....this is what saves us, justifies us and equates to being born again for sure!
 
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They know this well. . .and pretend not to understand it.
No doubt and or just ignore it to propagate heretical, regurgitated pseudo gospels which are double cursed by Paul in the book of Galatians.....!
 
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No doubt and or just ignore it to propagate heretical, regurgitated pseudo gospels which are double cursed by Paul in the book of Galatians.....!
Like I said...going into God's Word with a preconceived idea
 
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Like I said...going into God's Word with a preconceived idea
Yes this too.......Pick a topic and hang scripture on it like BAAL BALLS of gold and silver on the proverbial tree of Jeremiah 10!
 

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Yes.....grace through faith is what saves....the simple act of faith.....

They take James out of context which is...How can a man see the invisible saving faith that we have inside...by the fruit (works) that we bear....Without a doubt, genuine saving faith will produce works, but works do not save and or are not added to faith for salvation....

They contend that faith plus works saves us and keeps us saved which is heresy...PAUL clearly teaches that this type of mentality produces a gospel of a different kind which has no power to save and is double cursed to hell....

Our salvation and justification are based entirely upon faith into the FAITH of Jesus....this is what saves us, justifies us and equates to being born again for sure!
you did not answer my next Q? about works? are we to do anything after we are saved ?