Dr. Michael Brown and the Sabbath Debate

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I commented on those specifically because he did. But yes, I do believe all of the Mosaic Covenant applies physically and/or spiritually.








I do believe that. And I believe it's not as un-Biblical as many people think.
Paul says plainly that if one becomes circumcised physically as an issue of faith, they have fallen from grace. Galatians 5 is clear on this. It is a sign of submitting to the Mosaic Covenant. And, in essence, to submit to the Mosaic Covenant as a whole is to reject Christ.
 
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Anyway, that is enough for you to look at if you care to. But I will state the problem once more, you are not addressing the foundation of the Sabbath and thus misusing texts to qualify your position. I don't think you are deliberately doing this, I don't question your intention, in fact I think your intention is noble. But I question your tactics and you should also. Because very few of them are based in fact or proper systematic breakdown. If you get the foundation wrong you will have the bricks you build on it out of order.
I think most of the Sabbath observers on this thread should be honest and admit they are accusing non-observers of being in sin, whether openly or not.

Isn't this why SDAs proselytize non-SDA believers, sometimes not clearly identifying themselves on the Bible study announcements and publications?

I think most Sabbath observers holds that position, but they try to hide it. That's my big concern with their view. I have no issue with those who observe Sabbath and festivals without making this accusation, but in reality that is the underlying implicit or explicit claim of most.

And, once someone takes the approach that a non-observer is in sin, I throw them in the heretic bucket. I have no issue with Sabbath observers who don't make that claim, but when they do, I throw them in the heretic bucket. I was in the heretic bucket myself as an Armstrongite. I'm not going back into it.

And..if I am the one with bad theology, how can you honestly support all the SDA dietary assertions?

You know that the Bible speaks nothing of forbidding all the foods SDAs claim should not be eaten. Alcohol, spices, coffee, tea, pickles, chocolate, eating vegetables with fruit in the same meal, meat, eggs, etcetera. Jesus and the disciples wouldn't even meet SDA standards.
They ate lamb. They drank wine. They ate fish. They ate eggs..in fact Christ spoke of a father giving an egg to his child as a good gift.

In addition, why do SDAs allow abortions? They allow abortion for members who are pregnant due to rape, incest, and severe congenital deformities (including Downs' Syndrome). Do not such children have a right to live? Did not God initiate the process of birth? Wouldn't interrupting this process, once conception has occurred, be a sin? Nope, I guess not..maybe it's because abortion isn't listed explicitly in the Ten Commandments..it's probably not even in the Torah..that's what happens when one is not Spirit-led and lives by the letter of the law. A Spirit-led believer knows intuitively that abortion is sin. In their health care facilities, they perform elective abortions. I guess it's ok if the mother is a non-Adventist to slaughter them regardless of reason. While loudly proclaiming the Sabbath, they are engaged in dismembering children in the womb. I guess they are fair game until they become a "breather".

Abortion in Adventism

I saw a website where a SDA refuses to do bible studies on the Sabbath now because he has been laughed at by Roman Catholics who point out the obvious inconsistencies of claiming the Sabbath applies while his own organization is allowing abortion, and SDA health care facilities are performing elective abortions. I guess the 4th commandment trumps the one over murder.

So, you guys can answer for your inconsistencies.

It would be nice, gotime, if you could simply state that you don't agree with your church on this issue but I've brought it up multiple times and you haven't denounced your church's teaching on this subject. To be honest, I think you are indoctrinated by your organization and will not say anything in opposition to their teachings. I was the same way about Armstrongism. To question the church on any of its teachings was the same thing as challenging God, to them. That's why I like belong to the Evangelical Free church I attend. They categorize doctrines by essentials and non-essentials, and their essentials are core Christianity, so I have no reason to question those doctrines, as I've proven them Scripturally. Neither would they endorse anything as grossly immoral as abortion.

As I've said, I would consider fellowshipping in a church that observes the weekly Sabbath and festivals if they didn't judge non-observers as being in sin, so my issue isn't with the Sabbath or festivals, but with the accusing, condemning mentality that accompanies most of the observers. I don't want accusers as friends and I don't want to associate with them. They draw a line between us so I respect their line.
 
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1- Because God said the 7th day, not the 1st or the 2nd, and if we say i'm going to do it a different way we are being disobedient. "then why can't rest occur on another day?" you can rest on any day but if God said remember the 7th day and is specific we should listen.
When God said this tree is the tree of Life, Adam would have been stupid if he said all these trees are good for food so i don't need the tree of life anymore, God was specific.
We can worship God 24/7 and we can rest all the time if we want to but God set up an order for His creation, and that was to work 6 and rest on the seventh day. Satan will try to say rest on the first day and work the other six, it dosen't mater".

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? ("Has God said we can work on every day of the week? just forget about the sabbath" is what the devil might say today)
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

If?, IF the command to keep the Sabbath Holy stands today, Than Satan has tricked most of the world into disobedience again.
If the command to keep the Sabbath Holy does not stands today, Than we can rest whenever we want and it makes no difference because it is not disobedience.

What was the intention of the Sabbath? Not just rest but a day set aside for holy use, also a sign.
Exo_31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exo_20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Hallowed = kaw-dash'A primitive root; to be (causatively make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally): - appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied one, self), X wholly.

"are some being legalistic about the manner of the rest, just like Christ told the Pharisees they were being?"
For starters The Pharisees were being hypocrites and placing large burdens on the law while not keeping it themselves. Obedience isn't legalism if it is done for the right reasons, (right motives).

Have i given an adequate response?
I am not an Israelite under the Mosaic Covenant. Therefore their covenant signs mean nothing to me in terms of a requirement. Neither physical circumcision or the Sabbath. They are valuable shadows and types, though.

I view the Sabbath in exactly the same way as physical circumcision.

I have already presented why I do not consider the Sabbath to be a moral law. I won't repeat myself.

In addition, regarding the many comments on Christians keeping the commandments, I agree..the commandments that apply to THEM not ancient Israel. I strive to obey God's moral law and the commandments that apply to ME not the ones SDAs or Armstrongites or Torah observers deem to be applicable to me. Their opinions on the issue are ill-informed, and they ignore other Scriptures in opposition to them.

Do you consider non-observers of the Sabbath to be in sin?

As I have said, I have no issue with Sabbath observers who don't make the claim others are in sin. Once they do that, they go in the heretic bucket. I don't want them as friends and don't want to associate with them. They draw a line so I respect their line.
 
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2) If a slave in the NT church had a Gentile master who would not allow him to rest, was he living in sin for working on the
Sabbath? If so, why don't we find instruction in the Pauline epistles regarding this topic?

Just because there isn't any instruction doesn't mean it is void or not applicable, that would be an assumption.
Silence isn't evidence that no one struggled with this issue.
Does Paul give instruction about what we should do when we are asked to kill by becoming a soldier in war?
The Commandments are plan and easy to understand. Why add to the very instructions God spoke with His own mouth.
"Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy", What more could Paul add to that? I understand that it becomes technical when force is part of the equation but they had examples of what they should do.
Dan 3:16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
Dan 3:17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
Dan 3:18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
This subject isn't black and white, It is one between and God and the person that feels convicted about the Sabbath. And sometimes there isn't a black and white answer to solve every persons problem.

Is that an adequate response?
You didn't answer my question....if a Gentile master would not allow his Christian slave to observe the Sabbath, would he lose his salvation under your theology? Do you honestly think this situation did not present itself in the early Church?

Further, do you think the faithful Israelites observed the Sabbath during the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities?

By the way, for the Torah observers that are reading this thread, they could not have been obedient to Torah during this period.

I can tell you how I would have answered the Sabbath question as an Armstrongite. I would have said that the slave needed to forfeit his life if necessary to keep the Sabbath. In other words, keeping the Sabbath was an absolute requirement for salvation.

The silence in the Pauline epistles in regards to this issue is telling. So is the fact that Sabbath-breaking and eating unclean meats is never mentioned in any of the epistles to the Gentiles and in any of the sin lists they include.

Do you consider non-observers of the Sabbath to be in sin?

This meme reminds me of my Armstrongite past. I was told as a seeker that God wouldn't open my mind up to "the truth" (their heretical teachings) unless I started keeping the Sabbath. I think this sort of mentality still exists amongst many Sabbath observers.

Judaizers and Shadows.jpg
 
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Sabbath debate?

Show when God changed the order of the week that the Sabbath is not the seventh day. He did not change it.

Show where man changed the order of the week making the seventh day the first day.........this you are able to do, but nothing more.

Now think real hard. Is God's will to be done or mankind's¿ Not a hard question really.
 
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Sabbath debate?

Show when God changed the order of the week that the Sabbath is not the seventh day. He did not change it.

Show where man changed the order of the week making the seventh day the first day.........this you are able to do, but nothing more.

Now think real hard. Is God's will to be done or mankind's¿ Not a hard question really.
Show us where GOD ever commanded the gentiles to observe the sabbath. Acts 15 would have been a good time, but it didn't happen.
 

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Is not God the same always? Is not the creation story about the first week of time? The Seventh Day is a commandment, certainly, but first it was a gift to mankind.

What God has given as a gift I cannot deny. Many folks use Paul's teachings to justify just about anything, so why not I?

If I revere one day over another, it is not a sin if it is with a clear conscience.

If another reveres the first day as teh seventh day, I will not fault him, but do not pervert the order God has given to the week of creation just because your Sabbath is different from the gift given by God.

Also, gentiles continually call Sunday the Sabbath, so how much more is needed to demonstrate they are putting words into God's mouth. This is called apostasy, when traditions of mankind are taught as commandment from God, and this is undeniable.

Show us where GOD ever commanded the gentiles to observe the sabbath. Acts 15 would have been a good time, but it didn't happen.
 
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Sabbath debate?

Show when God changed the order of the week that the Sabbath is not the seventh day. He did not change it.

Show where man changed the order of the week making the seventh day the first day.........this you are able to do, but nothing more.

Now think real hard. Is God's will to be done or mankind's¿ Not a hard question really.
Do you consider non-observers of the Sabbath to be in sin?
 

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The response to this is in my post, however if you need further response, read my signature.. Have you ever seen me put a brother in Jesus Christ on trial? Please settle yourself that I would never do such a thing.


Do you consider non-observers of the Sabbath to be in sin?
 
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The response to this is in my post, however if you need further response, read my signature.. Have you ever seen me put a brother in Jesus Christ on trial? Please settle yourself that I would never do such a thing.
Cool I'm glad :)
 

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Hi again Sparkman, I pray all is well, My response will be the bolded.
I think most of the Sabbath observers on this thread should be honest and admit they are accusing non-observers of being in sin, whether openly or not.

Isn't this why SDAs proselytize non-SDA believers, sometimes not clearly identifying themselves on the Bible study announcements and publications?

I can not speak for all who claim to be an SDA, The reality is that there are churches who have broken free from the SDA body and have found loop holes so that they can legally identify as SDA when they are not. That being said most people do not start with "Hi, I am a....." what ever faith they may be. The Issue of the Sabbath from the official perspective of the actual SDA church is that the Sabbath will in the future become an identifying issue in Christianity that will at that time put those who reject it under sin yes. But that time is not yet. SO no currently Yes in the future. There are bible based reasons for that, which I will not go into now.


I think most Sabbath observers holds that position, but they try to hide it. That's my big concern with their view. I have no issue with those who observe Sabbath and festivals without making this accusation, but in reality that is the underlying implicit or explicit claim of most.

Most who hold that view avoid it because those who question are unreasonable and unwilling to listen to the reasons. Most want a simple Yes, no answer, The problem is that is a simplistic childish rational for a reaction not based in facts. Most who ask are not looking to understand why some hold the view they do and thus are arguing on a childish level to simply attack the second anything is said. SO frankly those who ask the question are responsible in part to the lack of wanting to talk about it.

And, once someone takes the approach that a non-observer is in sin, I throw them in the heretic bucket. I have no issue with Sabbath observers who don't make that claim, but when they do, I throw them in the heretic bucket. I was in the heretic bucket myself as an Armstrongite. I'm not going back into it.

And..if I am the one with bad theology, how can you honestly support all the SDA dietary assertions?

You know that the Bible speaks nothing of forbidding all the foods SDAs claim should not be eaten. Alcohol, spices, coffee, tea, pickles, chocolate, eating vegetables with fruit in the same meal, meat, eggs, etcetera. Jesus and the disciples wouldn't even meet SDA standards.
They ate lamb. They drank wine. They ate fish. They ate eggs..in fact Christ spoke of a father giving an egg to his child as a good gift.

You have made this argument before and frankly make yourself guilty of sin by continuing to make false accusations which is slander by the way thus sin, when you have had these things explained to you before.

For the sake of those who read this I will re-explain this point. We do not use the bible to argue individual points on health. The bible clearly teaches that to be healthy is one way to glorify God. But the guidelines, we promote are based on science and research that show curtain foods to be healthy and life promoting and others to be unhealthy and life damaging. We have spoken about this before sparkman and I have explained them to you. We do not enforce them upon members but suggest them for healthy living.


​Do you have a problem with the church giving guidance to those who wish to live healthy? Do you have a problem with what we say is healthy? Because all you will have to do is study health and you will see why we say those things. I expect better form you sparkman.

That health is important from a bible perspective is not in question. But to eat healthy and give Guidelines for those who wish to honour God by what they eat and drink and whatever they do is not wrong. We don't have a theology of eggs and chocolate as you seem to be inferring above. Please drop this topic, You are putting a false spin on it and showing you have not looked into it properly. No trying to be offensive as you know I respect you. But we have dealt with this issue and you are still putting a false spin on it.

In addition, why do SDAs allow abortions? They allow abortion for members who are pregnant due to rape, incest, and severe congenital deformities (including Downs' Syndrome). Do not such children have a right to live? Did not God initiate the process of birth? Wouldn't interrupting this process, once conception has occurred, be a sin? Nope, I guess not..maybe it's because abortion isn't listed explicitly in the Ten Commandments..it's probably not even in the Torah..that's what happens when one is not Spirit-led and lives by the letter of the law. A Spirit-led believer knows intuitively that abortion is sin. In their health care facilities, they perform elective abortions. I guess it's ok if the mother is a non-Adventist to slaughter them regardless of reason. While loudly proclaiming the Sabbath, they are engaged in dismembering children in the womb. I guess they are fair game until they become a "breather".

We have decided as a church to both respect the wishes of the mother to a degree and give moral guidence on the issue. But the choice in the end belongs with the Parent and we respect that. You may disagree, and that is fine. We even question it but also respect the right of the parent to decide but only in a few areas and the case is taken case by case.

4) The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church. Women, at times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She should be aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made within the context of healthy family relationships.

That is an official position above, One should not mix this either with the immoral ways that have been done in public hospitals. The Church will do all to avoid this scenario with the parent but in the end, it is the parents decision.

To sit there and compare it to the Sabbath or any other moral issue is childish and I expect better from you. This is emotional manipulation on a topic that is difficult on many levels to deal with. If you want to see it as straight forward then fine that is how the Pharisees did it. They respect one class and dismiss another. The Reasons we allow in only some circumstances is because we don't just take the child into account, The mother needs to be loved and cared for also. Her salvation Her life needs to be taken into account. And we simply realise that there are some circumstances where the line goes grey and we need to show mercy and love to the Mother. That is the reality of living in a world of sin. You can disagree that is fine, but you don't have a real solid basis to say we are wrong. Unless your only focus is on the child and the parent who's very life may be in danger does not matter to you.



Abortion in Adventism

I saw a website where a SDA refuses to do bible studies on the Sabbath now because he has been laughed at by Roman Catholics who point out the obvious inconsistencies of claiming the Sabbath applies while his own organization is allowing abortion, and SDA health care facilities are performing elective abortions. I guess the 4th commandment trumps the one over murder.

So, you guys can answer for your inconsistencies.

It would be nice, gotime, if you could simply state that you don't agree with your church on this issue but I've brought it up multiple times and you haven't denounced your church's teaching on this subject. To be honest, I think you are indoctrinated by your organization and will not say anything in opposition to their teachings. I was the same way about Armstrongism. To question the church on any of its teachings was the same thing as challenging God, to them. That's why I like belong to the Evangelical Free church I attend. They categorize doctrines by essentials and non-essentials, and their essentials are core Christianity, so I have no reason to question those doctrines, as I've proven them Scripturally. Neither would they endorse anything as grossly immoral as abortion.

The Reason I have not dealt with this is because just like now you bring it up when that is not what we are talking about. It seems to me that you dodge the issue we talk about by going else where. You do this a lot. We were talking about the Sabbath particularly the origin and purpose of it, But instead of speaking ot this issue you have once again skipped it altogether and used defaming tactics to win your argument. This is a sign of a weak argument by the way.

As far as questioning my church, what right do you have to say that? What facts do you have to say that? none, You don't have any idea how I came to what I did, You don't know my story and you dare to presume? This is not right brother and then to compare me to your deluded past state when you have no idea if I am or not.


As I've said, I would consider fellowshipping in a church that observes the weekly Sabbath and festivals if they didn't judge non-observers as being in sin, so my issue isn't with the Sabbath or festivals, but with the accusing, condemning mentality that accompanies most of the observers. I don't want accusers as friends and I don't want to associate with them. They draw a line between us so I respect their line.
I did answer some things, But I found this post disappointing sparkman, You did not deal with the issue at all. but instead fled to accusations on things you don't understand. I am saddened by this, I expected more honest dialogue from you.

No lose of love though. blessings friend.
 
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The question is what is the object of your faith? Is in keeping a day or in what Christ did at the cross. Should we set aside a day to worship and give praise to God in corporate setting? of course we should. But, is that what we place our faith in?
 
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I did answer some things, But I found this post disappointing sparkman, You did not deal with the issue at all. but instead fled to accusations on things you don't understand. I am saddened by this, I expected more honest dialogue from you.

No lose of love though. blessings friend.
My argumentation isn't weak, but Sabbath observers simply won't accept it regardless, except for the handful which really don't judge non-observers. It's a poor investment of my time to discuss anything with the rest. I do fear the future of the church in this regard, though, particularly with some in the Hebrew Roots Movement and Messianic Judaism. They have the potential for creating division in the church, just like the Judaizers did.

There are individuals who come in the Bible Study room discussing Sabbath and festivals and infer that non-observers are in danger of eternal punishment, specifically quoting these verses:

Matthew 7: [SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

They don't come right out and say it in a manner that would result in a ban, but I know their meaning, and what they are trying to say. The inference is that if the rest in the room are not Torah observant, they are to fear eternal punishment, specifically on the Sabbath, festivals, and clean meat laws. So, I am really fed up with this sort of mentality from anyone, and those individuals are not people I want to talk with in the future. If someone claims non-observers are facing eternal punishment, then I have nothing to say to them, and don't consider them a friend.

A SDA made similar inferences concerning Isaiah 66:17 and clean meat laws.

Isaiah 66:17 [SUP]17 [/SUP]“Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating pig's flesh and the abomination and mice, shall come to an end together, declares the Lord.

Again, there was an implicit claim that those who eat unclean meats are facing eternal punishment.
 
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My argumentation isn't weak, but Sabbath observers simply won't accept it regardless, except for the handful which really don't judge non-observers. It's a poor investment of my time to discuss anything with the rest. I do fear the future of the church in this regard, though, particularly with some in the Hebrew Roots Movement and Messianic Judaism. They have the potential for creating division in the church, just like the Judaizers did.

There are individuals who come in the Bible Study room discussing Sabbath and festivals and infer that non-observers are in danger of eternal punishment, specifically quoting these verses:

Matthew 7: [SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

They don't come right out and say it in a manner that would result in a ban, but I know their meaning, and what they are trying to say. The inference is that if the rest in the room are not Torah observant, they are to fear eternal punishment, specifically on the Sabbath, festivals, and clean meat laws. So, I am really fed up with this sort of mentality from anyone, and those individuals are not people I want to talk with in the future. If someone claims non-observers are facing eternal punishment, then I have nothing to say to them, and don't consider them a friend.

A SDA made similar inferences concerning Isaiah 66:17 and clean meat laws.

Isaiah 66:17 [SUP]17 [/SUP]“Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating pig's flesh and the abomination and mice, shall come to an end together, declares the Lord.

Again, there was an implicit claim that those who eat unclean meats are facing eternal punishment.
What has that to do with what we are talking about sparkman? how does that impact a study on origins and purpose of the Sabbath?

I will leave it because you clearly do not want to address the origins of the Sabbath and its purpose. I study the bible systematically. In other words I start at the start and work thought to get a picture. I don't like the old start half way through and then assume upon the start. Starting at the beginning gets rid of assumptions. That is why I do it that way. But anyway Ill leave it as the convo is bearing no fruit.
 
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You know this a difficult thing to discuss, because we don't know where people are in their walk with God. Some are set in their thinking and have totally understood what Jesus did at the Cross and to derail them from their walk would be shameful. If keeping Sabbath keeps you in the walk, then keep it. But, I would not place my faith in it. If you do, then you will fail, but I guess we all have to walk the walk. It's like telling your son not to stick his hand in the fire then he doe's and then understands why not to do that.
 

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You know this a difficult thing to discuss, because we don't know where people are in their walk with God. Some are set in their thinking and have totally understood what Jesus did at the Cross and to derail them from their walk would be shameful. If keeping Sabbath keeps you in the walk, then keep it. But, I would not place my faith in it. If you do, then you will fail, but I guess we all have to walk the walk. It's like telling your son not to stick his hand in the fire then he doe's and then understands why not to do that.
Some good thoughts there.

I would suggest though that placing faith in the Sabbath has never been the goal not even under the old covenant. Sabbath keeping in the Old covenant was attached to those who placed their faith in God as their saviour.
 
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Some good thoughts there.

I would suggest though that placing faith in the Sabbath has never been the goal not even under the old covenant. Sabbath keeping in the Old covenant was attached to those who placed their faith in God as their saviour.
Well OT ppl gave sacrifice and thought they were okay, Then again other OT ppl gave sacrifice and were accepted by God. Some ppl keep Sabbath and think their okay and other ppl observe a day of worship and are accepted by God. Whats the diff?
 

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Jesus is where I put my faith and trust but this thread is about the Sabbath and the thing that always has made an impact on me is the fact that God spoke from the mountain and then wrote with His finger in stone the 10 Commandments. Most of them start with Thou shalt not, but we have one that says Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy....Now why would God say Remember unless most of us have forgotten?

Another commandment says Honor your Father and your Mother.....

If you look at the 10 as a whole the first 4 show love and loyalty toward God doing what He asked us to do toward Him and the last 6 show us how to love our neighbor as ourselves. The two commandments spoken of in the New Testament summarize the 10 listed in the Old Testament.... God does not change....

This isn't about being saved because you worship on a specific day it is about listening to what God has asked of us and leaning on the Holy Spirit to equip us to do what has been asked.... We lean on Jesus and are thankful He did for us what we can't do for ourselves.... thankfulness and love, worship and praise all go to God/Jesus/Holy Spirit.... for giving us a way out of the law of sin and death not a way to ignore God's law but to trust Him (Jesus) to save us.....
 
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RobbyEarl

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Jesus is the Sabbath. Why did God bless the Sabbath day? Because, He rested. Did he really rest? or did he rest in what Jesus did at the cross. I don't want to detur you, but what do you think? By trusting in what Jesus did at the cross you are keeping the Sabbath.